Wait I was confused - Apparently, I don't get the Level 80 boost, he does! I only get a mount! They should of given both of us level 80 boosts so we can play together!
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Anway, what are Druids best for - I preferably don't want to DPS so should I spec out to Tank or Heal
[QUOTE=FreddiRox!;36246901]Wait I was confused - Apparently, I don't get the Level 80 boost, he does! I only get a mount! They should of given both of us level 80 boosts so we can play together!
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Anway, what are Druids best for - I preferably don't want to DPS so should I spec out to Tank or Heal[/QUOTE]
DPS druid is the worst nowadays, and you said you don't want to so ok.
The other ones are very nice, but you can't ask our opinion because there is no "best one" when the subject is healing x tanking, depends on you. I love healing and hate tanking most because tanking in 4.3 is auto attack and healing is... yeah is super hard but I don't know things are going to be in 5.0.
tl;dr healing is very specific, do it only if you really like.
It's so freaking hard to find a decent Spine run.
Even after the 25% nerf.
Can't wait until I can raid with my guild and not run shitty pugs.
Last time I tried, around 7 people were blown off when DW rolled.
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[QUOTE=Baha;36247621]DPS druid is the worst nowadays, and you said you don't want to so ok.
The other ones are very nice, but you can't ask our opinion because there is no "best one" when the subject is healing x tanking, depends on you. I love healing and hate tanking most because tanking in 4.3 is auto attack and healing is... yeah is super hard but I don't know things are going to be in 5.0.
tl;dr healing is very specific, do it only if you really like.[/QUOTE]
Healing isn't hard what are you on about
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;36250526]It's so freaking hard to find a decent Spine run.
Even after the 25% nerf.
Can't wait until I can raid with my guild and not run shitty pugs.
Last time I tried, around 7 people were blown off when DW rolled.
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Healing isn't hard what are you on about[/QUOTE]
Untill like level 40 dungeons, Tanks are generally stupid
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;36250526]It's so freaking hard to find a decent Spine run.
Even after the 25% nerf.
Can't wait until I can raid with my guild and not run shitty pugs.
Last time I tried, around 7 people were blown off when DW rolled.
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Healing isn't hard what are you on about[/QUOTE]
Isn't hard? Healing is the only thing that is hard in Dragon Soul, since all 3 healers need to do at least 20k in Zon'ozz, and this is the second boss. By telling this you must be a) paladin or b) never did heroics or c) has the best group in the world. You are complaining about finding a Spine run and are trying to convince me that healing is not hard. I believe alternative b is the best.
[QUOTE=Baha;36251966]Isn't hard? Healing is the only thing that is hard in Dragon Soul, since all 3 healers need to do at least 20k in Zon'ozz, and this is the second boss. By telling this you must be a) paladin or b) never did heroics or c) has the best group in the world. You are complaining about finding a Spine run and are trying to convince me that healing is not hard. I believe alternative b is the best.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Ravanys/simple[/url]
healing isn't hard, nor is it hard on my priest, shaman, druid and isn't hard on my beta monk
but i am amazing so maybe i dont notice
[QUOTE=parket;36252382][url]http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Ravanys/simple[/url]
healing isn't hard, nor is it hard on my priest, shaman, druid and isn't hard on my beta monk
but i am amazing so maybe i dont notice[/QUOTE]
Shit, this is very nice, congratulations. But you think it is easy because you are overgeared, you should remember how it was when you were not, like the first wipes you did in Zon'ozz, and by saying that I assume your raid group was not in your level, because I can see you killed Morchok only twice, it's not sufficient to be ready to Heroic if you were all progressing together.
I don't have troubles healing either, but that's because I have experience and know how to play, but I admit it is the most difficult role since tanking is hurr auto attack durr and DPS is... yeah, waiting until you have a big iLvL and then 1231231241231231241231231234 (last part I was kidding, I know dps rotations are not so stupid).
(I healed Kohcrom alone using disc priest 391 10% nerf and shit was insane)
using hc morchock as an example is stupid even un nerfed, he does fuck all damage
[QUOTE=Baha;36253173]Shit, this is very nice, congratulations. But you think it is easy because you are overgeared, you should remember how it was when you were not, like the first wipes you did in Zon'ozz, and by saying that I assume your raid group was not in your level, because I can see you killed Morchok only twice, it's not sufficient to be ready to Heroic if you were all progressing together.
I don't have troubles healing either, but that's because I have experience and know how to play, but I admit it is the most difficult role since tanking is hurr auto attack durr and DPS is... yeah, waiting until you have a big iLvL and then 1231231241231231241231231234 (last part I was kidding, I know dps rotations are not so stupid).
(I healed Kohcrom alone using disc priest 391 10% nerf and shit was insane)[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? We only killed morchok twice because any [I]good[/I] group of players was then ready to progress on to heroics - HM morchok was a walk in the park [I]even at 0% nerf[/I] (hell, one week we pulled trash with him just for the fun of it). And no, I don't think it's piss easy because I'm overgeared, I never had trouble at all healing any of the first six bosses prenerf because they're terribly designed and easy to overcome any gear challenge with clever use of class mechanics. The last two were only mildly difficult because as a paladin, our toolboxes aren't suited for healing spine and I had to balance cooldowns in the spaces of 3 second windows so on the last platform (madness) I wouldn't be gibbed from my own sacrifice.
The only boss that's ever challenged me was Ragnaros as a 4.2 demonology warlock, if you want a difficult role that's the only one you're going to find in this game.
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[QUOTE=Tey;36253303]using hc morchock as an example is stupid even un nerfed, he does fuck all damage[/QUOTE]
He used heroic kohcrom, on a disc priest on 10 man - lol
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJh8FQZ20c[/media]
for a reference, I'm healing this side (have since name changed from andromedes)
[QUOTE=parket;36253309]Are you kidding me? We only killed morchok twice because any [I]good[/I] group of players was then ready to progress on to heroics - HM morchok was a walk in the park [I]even at 0% nerf[/I] (hell, one week we pulled trash with him just for the fun of it). And no, I don't think it's piss easy because I'm overgeared, I never had trouble at all healing any of the first six bosses prenerf because they're terribly designed and easy to overcome any gear challenge with clever use of class mechanics. The last two were only mildly difficult because as a paladin, our toolboxes aren't suited for healing spine and I had to balance cooldowns in the spaces of 3 second windows so on the last platform (madness) I wouldn't be gibbed from my own sacrifice.
The only boss that's ever challenged me was Ragnaros as a 4.2 demonology warlock, if you want a difficult role that's the only one you're going to find in this game.
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He used heroic kohcrom, on a disc priest on 10 man - lol[/QUOTE]
Yes, that was my example to demonstrate how fucked up healing can be sometimes, never said that's what we always did, just said that this one time we had to do this.
And come on, don't come with hurr morchok H is easy because healing alone as disc 391 is hard, don't be a child.
Anyway, I have been in a lot of parties, my progression is not so good as yours, I even stopped playing but one thing I know and you can't disagree (and that's our discussion): healing is the most difficult role in 4.3, you can't disagree. Period.
Also, 2 healers healing Kohcrom? A holy priest and you? Not sure but that's what I noticed.
here's some proof of that
[url]http://www.wowtrack.org/character/2805397[/url]
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[QUOTE=Baha;36253497]Yes, that was my example to demonstrate how fucked up healing can be sometimes, never said that's what we always did, just said that this one time we had to do this.
And come on, don't come with hurr morchok H is easy because healing alone as disc 391 is hard, don't be a child.
Anyway, I have been in a lot of parties, my progression is not so good as yours, I even stopped playing but one thing I know and you can't disagree (and that's our discussion): healing is the most difficult role in 4.3, you can't disagree. Period.
Also, 2 healers healing Kohcrom? A holy priest and you? Not sure but that's what I noticed.[/QUOTE]
As you can probably tell from the link in my last post, I'm in the top 0.1% of players EU. Take a look at that video, you see the health going up and down and all sorts and I'm not worrying at all - it's easily healable. I'd also like to say my item level was around 387 in that video, since I switched from my warlock in 4.2. Don't tell me what I can't disagree with, especially when you've not got a clue about healing end tier content.
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cool, just helped out nick from mmoc with their front page vids - im a celeb
[QUOTE=parket;36253527]here's some proof of that
[url]http://www.wowtrack.org/character/2805397[/url]
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As you can probably tell from the link in my last post, I'm in the top 0.1% of players EU. Take a look at that video, you see the health going up and down and all sorts and I'm not worrying at all - it's easily healable. I'd also like to say my item level was around 387 in that video, since I switched from my warlock in 4.2. Don't tell me what I can't disagree with, especially when you've not got a clue about healing end tier content.[/QUOTE]
You need to understand that it's not because you CAN heal that it's not difficult, god damnit. I know calculus 2 and not so much about english because it's not my native language so I'll tell everyone that english is more difficult than calculus? That's stupid, healing requires ability that I know you have, and in the other hand we have tanking that requires only a few movements and auto attack and DPS that requires knowing a good rotation. Which one gives more trouble?
Seems like you are using this discussion to brag about yourself.
No I'm using my experience as playing as both a high level DPS and a high level healer to tell you that you are wrong - hell even tanks have it harder, especially paladins and warriors.
In my experience healing depends on who you are playing with. When I was healing during my raiding days in TBC and Wrath it wasn't really that hard and probably the easiest role. But healing even raid finder with 24 retards standing in the fire or ignoring basic mechanics it gets rough.
Tanking is overall easier though atleast until mists.
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[QUOTE=parket;36253953]No I'm using my experience as playing as both a high level DPS and a high level healer to tell you that you are wrong - hell even tanks have it harder, especially paladins and warriors.[/QUOTE]
Warrior tanks always seemed mediocre from my never-played-a-warrior third person perspective, but why are paladins bad? Just curious.
They don't have a fight like spine that lets them shine (the only reason we have a warrior tank tbh), they can't mitigate a lot of spell damage without wasting a trinket slot, they're terrible with impales, their raid cooldown doesn't extend onto themselves and more.
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I mean really it's rather obvious, tanks don't need to move much and the majority of the damage is spell based. When you introduce an environment like that it's the classes with the highest self healing and HP with spell mitigation CDs that are going to be king.
warrior tanks have it so hard, most the time you have to keep applying debuffs to not get raped and only one mitigation cooldown
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on the other hand
DEATH STRIKE!
iAM ARTHES , COWER BEFORE MY DERTH STERK
i find it hilarious watching people zerg blood dks or bears in bgs, instead of zerging me keeping them alive
HOLY SHOCK
[QUOTE=Baha;36253844]in the other hand we have tanking that requires only a few movements and auto attack[/QUOTE]
what the fuck is with you and this bullshit saying how tanking is just autoattacking? have you even tanked before? are we playing the same game
mate i just had a revelation... listen mate... what if h- mate... what if he's finding healing hard...
mate.. what if he's finding healing hard....
because his tank just auto attacks
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;36254383]what the fuck is with you and this bullshit saying how tanking is just autoattacking? have you even tanked before? are we playing the same game[/QUOTE]
Ok so now tell me the amazing strategy you use to tank Yor'sahj, I really wanna know.
The other fights is using a CD here and there when it becomes available or when is obvious (like impale). And yes, I tanked before.
Being a DK tank in DS heroic is easymode
Hell, HC spine - if I get 2 stacks of earth (which is now nearly every fight) I take no damage until i start sticking stacks on the amalgamation
I hate getting paired with foreign people.
Does this look OK? [url]http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0ZfMGfoubkrckMcz:d0MfzrMmc[/url] Druid Tank
[QUOTE=Baha;36254907]Ok so now tell me the amazing strategy you use to tank Yor'sahj, I really wanna know.
The other fights is using a CD here and there when it becomes available or when is obvious (like impale). And yes, I tanked before.[/QUOTE]
Ever thought you find healing harder because your shit at it ?
Currently a lv30 warrior speccing arms (first ever character). Dueled a lv30 hunter and he killed me in like 2 seconds (although I managed to take about half his hp away).
Do I suck or is it just because the balance is poor at lv30?
If you pvp at lower levels you're going to get your arse stretched by hunters and rogues
and druids
Are scrolls of resurrection still going? if so would anyone care to send me one? I'll PM you my details
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