World of Tanks - Chinese Bootleg Edition - Games

I think World of Tanks as a whole is actually a very good example of free to play. Don't get me wrong, I have [b]a lot[/b] of problems with the game, but none of them have to do with the meta involved in paying for the game.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;39534905]I like WoT. I [I]want[/I] to invest in WoT, and play it a lot and see it evolve a lot. But It's F2P. So I can neither invest any singular amount of money into it and the development is slowed by the F2P business model.[/QUOTE] Indeed; it's [I]in their best interest to keep development at a snails pace[/I] to keep people playing and hanging out (or coming back) for the next micro-content patch.

[QUOTE=Why485;39534947]I think World of Tanks as a whole is actually a very good example of free to play. Don't get me wrong, I have [b]a lot[/b] of problems with the game, but none of them have to do with the meta involved in paying for the game.[/QUOTE] Okay this is true, but I'm comparing it more to other games in general not other F2P games. Other F2P games are unplayably bad, many being shitty WoW clones or essentially Combat Arms V.xxx WoT is the best F2P I've ever played, and a great tank game, but the F2P model forever bothers me.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535187]Yes they can, look up EVE Online, CCP is agonizingly slow at developing anything and they have hundreds of employees working on a pay to play MMO that's in dire need of improvements. Both Blizzard and Valve are also awful at getting anything done at a reasonable pace. What does F2P have to do with the development speed? There are plenty of F2P games out there that release new content regularly. You want to invest in the game? [url]https://worldoftanks.com/personal/payment/[/url] How would this situation be improved at all if they sold the game at retail? There wouldn't be anywhere near as many people playing it and they would have to greatly "casualize" it to get more people to play, they would also have a limited amount of funds instead of a steady stream of cash to spend on development of WOT and their other games.[/QUOTE] CCP? Lazy? Are we talking about the same EVE: Online? Is this the same EVE that gets a brand-new expansion every 4 months that greatly improves the game, the game which the developers actively play and take a great interest in the [I]player driven politics[/I] of the metagame? The same CCP which releases a new patch for the game practically every week? I'm sorry, but really, CCP is a far cry from a lazy developer. If you want a lazy dev, go talk to Goon about MWO, I'm sure he'd like to vent about it some more.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535187]Yes they can, look up EVE Online, CCP is agonizingly slow at developing anything and they have hundreds of employees working on a pay to play MMO that's in dire need of improvements. Both Blizzard and Valve are also awful at getting anything done at a reasonable pace. What does F2P have to do with the development speed? There are plenty of F2P games out there that release new content regularly. You want to invest in the game? [url]https://worldoftanks.com/personal/payment/[/url] How would this situation be improved at all if they sold the game at retail? There wouldn't be anywhere near as many people playing it and they would have to greatly "casualize" it to get more people to play, they would also have a limited amount of funds instead of a steady stream of cash to spend on development of WOT and their other games.[/QUOTE] How would it improve the situation [I]economically[/I] by being a retail game? I could spend $60 + $30 on DLC for a total of [B]$90[/B], and exorbitantly high price for games these days, and play the game happily at its full capacity for longer than [B]6 months[/B]. That's how. You don't "casualize" a game to get players to play; you advertise fucking well, something WG has proven willing to do, and make sure those who are right off the bat interested are happy enough to recommend the game to friends or write good reviews. That all aside, it's less about the game being for casuals, because at its core it isn't, more that WoT being F2P means the developers have to be far, far more afraid of their community than other non-F2P devs.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535320]Every 4 months? Are you high? They only release two expansions a year, and not all of them have greatly improved the game, such as Incarna and Tyrannis. A patch every week? So what, most of them only fix 1 or 2 bugs.[/QUOTE] Would you say having 98 minor bugs are worse than having 100 minor bugs? How does that make CCP a bunch of fuckasses for "not doing anything" or being "slow"? Its all very subjective.

why are there so many godamn platoons today

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535403] I wasn't calling them fuckasses, I was just saying they're rather slow, many parts of the game are still broken or horribly outdated, and new people getting into the game are still fucked over by the lack of direction and awkward tutorials.[/QUOTE] Wait are you talking about world of tanks or EVE because you just described WoT very well

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535557]No I didn't? What parts of WoT are broken or outdated? WoT is a hell of a lot more newbie friendly than EVE Online, it's controls are very easy to understand and the the basic idea of the game is simple, kill tanks and don't die.[/QUOTE] the basic idea of eve is simple, get riches and don't die. ???

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535403]Okay so you want them to turn WOT into Call of Duty? No thanks. If you want to blow $90 on the game just go buy $90 worth of gold, if you're crying about premium that's pretty dumb, the game is fully playable without that extra 50% xp/silver. It doesn't matter how much they advertise it, even if they spend tens of millions of dollars the game still wouldn't be as big as it is now if it was sold instead of F2P, F2P games have much larger player bases than non-F2P games, look up League of Legends. [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] I wasn't calling them fuckasses, I was just saying they're rather slow, many parts of the game are still broken or horribly outdated, and new people getting into the game are still fucked over by the lack of direction and awkward tutorials.[/QUOTE] Being a retail game that also happens to have DLC would be the only two things this theoretical "WoT retail" would have in common with CoD. Either you have a very huge patience threshold or you have never played high tier tanks, because what you say about premium is untrue in more opinions than my own. And whether or not it would be as big as it is now if it were retail is not up to your feelings to decide; retail games are capable of making just as much money as F2P games. Things would be different, but the difference would not be between "dead game" and "flourishing garden of pubs". League's uber hardcore no-fun allowed community has nothing to do with this. They would all buy the MOBA if they could and still have money left over to waste on skins.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535586]No, there's all this political shit, PVP, PVE, you can die and lose skills, you can get killed at any time by anyone, EVE is not a simple game.[/QUOTE] how basic is basic?

[QUOTE=Mbbird;39535589] Either you have a very huge patience threshold or you have never played high tier tanks, because what you say about premium is untrue in more opinions than my own.[/QUOTE] If you'll allow me to interject for a second, ask Wiseman or Ogopogo about how much premium they've had. Shit, lookit how many high tier tanks Wiseman owns/has unlocked. The game is entirely possible to get to tier 10 and never pay a cent.

[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39535642]If you'll allow me to interject for a second, ask Wiseman or Ogopogo about how much premium they've had. Shit, lookit how many high tier tanks Wiseman owns/has unlocked. The game is entirely possible to get to tier 10 and never pay a cent.[/QUOTE] I feel left out from the peasant grinder's list :( The last month of premium I had was 2 months after the game was released, I've been a pheasant ever since. Yeah, it's possible to get a Tier 10. Is it fun? Hell no. You can't even play it much since it implies playing a whole bunch of rounds in your preferred money grinding tank every time you get a shit team. I'd never be able to maintain my 3 money whores if it wasn't for my T34, without a premium tank you'll need to grind 3 to 4 times as much to get money for just about everything. Ever since they nerfed the T5-T6 income it's been hell for some poorer people who didn't get to take advantage of the American tree shift. Oh and it makes your average XP look like shit because WG can't display it properly.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39535652]No, they would also have absurd prices in common as well, paying $90 for a game + DLC is awful. High tier tanks are easily paid for by driving lower tier tanks, you're not supposed to drive tier 10's all day, even with premium that's very difficult. Retail games that are part of an established franchise and have the financial backing of a big company (IE huge ad budget) are capable of making lots of money, WoT isn't in the same category, it was developed by a smaller company in Belarus that wouldn't be able to afford to blow that much cash on advertising and wouldn't have brand recognition. Retail sales would eventually slow down and then die, no retail game lasts as long as a F2P game, unless it's a huge MMO or game series like WoW or COD. [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] How the game plays, in WoT you drive tanks and shoot other tanks, in EVE there's far more things to deal with and you can be killed at any time and lose your ship, which if your new is probably everything you own.[/QUOTE] Well I was just giving you an example, $60 + 30 for $90 total not a $90 game. That's as much as I'd be willing to spend on the best new, single retail games there are, and consequently what I'd be willing to spend on WoT were it magically retail. But those are just details. You do make me realize that WoT couldn't exist without the F2P business model though. So this is really [I]all[/I] theoretical anyway, but the pros and cons are there. Retail sales do die down on games, which is also why the games stop being updated. The devs aren't economically obliged to update them. But at the same time, from a players' standpoint, F2P games are taxing (no pun in tended?). You can sure as hell play WoT without paying a cent, but it really depends on the player in the end. I couldn't make it from tier 7 to 8 without premium, but there are some of you that have done entire trees without it. So for those that don't feel they need premium to enjoy themselves, WoT is a godsend, and for those that do they feel like they're being drained of money the more they enjoy themselves.

Big thanks to everyone who played companies tonight, it was fun calling battles for y'all. We did 21 battles, 19 medium and 2 champion. The score (W-D-L): Medium: 14-1-4 Champion: 1-0-1 That's an a pretty awesome record for a clan that's pretty much entirely new to tank companies. Most of the losses were really close, too. And we won one of the games without losing a single tank. And one against [i]good[/i] players (XVM: 5% for us). Well done everyone, I hope to see everyone again the next time we do this. (I think Ogopogo said Tuesday and Saturday nights?) (Also if you didn't come out this time, feel free to come next time, we had a few open spots. You need a tier 6 tank or tier 4 arty for mediums, or a tier 8 tank or tier 6 arty for champions.)

[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39535642]If you'll allow me to interject for a second, ask Wiseman or Ogopogo about how much premium they've had. Shit, lookit how many high tier tanks Wiseman owns/has unlocked. The game is entirely possible to get to tier 10 and never pay a cent.[/QUOTE] All you need is one tank you really enjoy to play to break up the grind. That's why I have 2200+ games in my chaffee. Yes, owning a T34 from the switch is nice, but to be honest, I get most of my credits from my easy 8 and beta mobile. It will take some time, but its possible to get one or more tier 10.

I dont have any tier 8's yet but I have 3 tier 7's, a shitton of tier 6's, and the rest are 5. I dont use premium. Working on 8.

[QUOTE=acidcj;39535855]I think Ogopogo said Tuesday and Saturday nights?[/QUOTE] Yes, we are going to be doing the same things next Tuesday and Saturday at the same time.

[QUOTE=acidcj;39535855]Big thanks to everyone who played companies tonight, it was fun calling battles for y'all. We did 21 battles, 19 medium and 2 champion. The score (W-D-L): Medium: 14-1-4 Champion: 1-0-1 That's an a pretty awesome record for a clan that's pretty much entirely new to tank companies. Most of the losses were really close, too. And we won one of the games without losing a single tank. And one against [i]good[/i] players (XVM: 5% for us). Well done everyone, I hope to see everyone again the next time we do this. (I think Ogopogo said Tuesday and Saturday nights?) (Also if you didn't come out this time, feel free to come next time, we had a few open spots. You need a tier 6 tank or tier 4 arty for mediums, or a tier 8 tank or tier 6 arty for champions.)[/QUOTE] I'll admit, most fun I've had with tanks in a while. There were a few losses here and there but overall we really held our own and beat the shit out of some teams. I even got Top Gun in one of those matches, that was great!

I just got exactly 1k experience in a match. Neato [quote]Victory! Battle: Airfield Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:01:17 PM Vehicle: Somua SAu-40 Experience received: 1,000 Credits received: 25,329[/quote]

Got second place in a tournament today. Gmonk got a bunch of free gold yay.

[QUOTE=scout1;39531754][B]heart's pounding, hands are shaking whatever you do today, watch this replay[/B] [URL]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86097728/20130209_1656_china-Ch09_M5_05_prohorovka.wotreplay[/URL][/QUOTE] I'm amazed with the stuff I've seen on chat. People on NA server are actually talking about the game, not saying 'cus', 's.a' or 'siema'.

[QUOTE=ze beaver;39533515]I almost got this god damn API working and I've got 2 things to day 1. Fuck Wargaymen for making it shit out JSON, this crossdomain shit is getting old 2. Fuck JQuery for having such deceptive errors. In other news, I shall try to get a nice little clan comparison thing going with it in case we ever go back to CW.[/QUOTE] I was trying to make an online tic-tac-toe game (school shit) and JQuery just fucking gave up somewhere. Tried rewriting all of my shit in different ways, tried forcing the program to wait for a response, etc etc. Had to use a plain AJAX library to get it to work. My prof though it was a pretty funny and interesting solution, so I didn't lose any marks (mostly because I had to figure out how to do fucking AJAX requests on my own) [QUOTE=pawelte1;39536790]I'm amazed with the stuff I've seen on chat. People on NA server are actually talking about the game, not saying 'cus', 's.a' or 'siema'.[/QUOTE] Chat on NA server is pretty frequent actually, and usually it's not shit talking. Sometimes it is map/balance/tank discussions, sometimes it's arty bashing, sometimes it's random, and sometimes it's "fuk u faget". Never know what you're going to get on NA

Chat on EU is terrible, at least 75% is people speaking Chewbacca, and the other 25% is people swearing and raging.

Being able to comprehend enough of most of the Chewbacca spoken there (German, Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Russian), I can assure you that you don't need to really say anything more than "swearing and raging" to describe it fully.

The few people that speak english die first and blame the team.

[QUOTE=Tampong;39537175]The few people that speak english die first and blame the team.[/QUOTE] Sounds just like SEA! [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] So, is the consensus that NA has the, uh, best community?

[QUOTE=cccino;39537181]Sounds just like SEA! [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] So, is the consensus that NA has the, uh, best community?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't doubt about it.

This guy was like 100-200 meters away from me. When he noticed he couldn't pen my front, he started running away. Obviously thanks to my M1A1 it took just 4 shots to take him down. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xn7O57L.png[/IMG] And then I see this in chat: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jQo6NSW.png[/IMG] Guess I'm going to get permbanned...

[QUOTE=pawelte1;39536790]I'm amazed with the stuff I've seen on chat. People on NA server are actually talking about the game, not saying 'cus', 's.a' or 'siema'.[/QUOTE] eu chat good fuck u mum In other news, shitstats are still a problem. man fuck efficiency how can everything else increase but eff decrease [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KHxwQ2t.png[/IMG] So the past 14 battles my eff has been 600, I think thats more of a drop than -7, its like -400 [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] god why :(