[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39548602]The win ratio of both it, and the FV215b have been steadily falling. It won't long till before they are below 50% global win ratio (on the Russian server). The devs have said that the FV215b will likely receive a buff, and I bet the FV4202 will as well.[/QUOTE]
Looking at winrates themselves is no longer important at all. Look at the noobmeter data including the average winrate of players. It's basically FINALLY the thing we tried to quantify years back, involving Patton.
[URL]http://blog.noobmeter.com/[/URL]
They take the winrate of the particular vehicle and divide it by the average winrate of the players that played the matches. This nullifies the effect of some branches being by average played by better people.
According to this, through January, FV215b was doing just dreadfully, and FV4202 even worse, being some SERIOUSLY gimped vehicles.
Oddest fucking match on Live oaks.
I went down to the bridge in my e-50 since nobody ever goes that way, a minute later I look at the minimap and notice something odd.
NOBODY WENT CITY, THEY ALL FOLLOWED AFTER ME TO THE BRIDGE!
We obviously lost.
[QUOTE=Wiseman400;39548889]Oddest fucking match on Live oaks.
I went down to the bridge in my e-50 since nobody ever goes that way, a minute later I look at the minimap and notice something odd.
NOBODY WENT CITY, THEY ALL FOLLOWED AFTER ME TO THE BRIDGE!
We obviously lost.[/QUOTE]
That happens quite often on EU.
I mean, the city is mostly the primary destination, but usually it's like half city, quarter bridge, and sometimes the other way around or everyone just lemmings one or either way.
had my M103 perfectly hulled down and was able to shake most shots at my cupola, doing tons of damage when this retarded King Tiger just parks in front of me and gets insta raped by a 704..
A++
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;39548424]Right now, the Centurions are apparently pretty grand, but the FV4202 is doing just awful, statistically.
I would like to believe they will rebalance it well. Just keep on mind it's a line of long range snipers - something akin to Panthers, just slower.[/QUOTE]
I noticed the guns on them look incredibly good compared to the Russian lines, but if they're not very fast of maneuverable, I'll stick to the French and Russian trees.
they are maneuverable
but not fast
I love my Centurion, what ive found works is if you go with the heavys instead of the Mediums, so you can support them and cover their flanks because your not going to be able to keep up with the Medium push.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;39548917]That happens quite often on EU.
I mean, the city is mostly the primary destination, but usually it's like half city, quarter bridge, and sometimes the other way around or everyone just lemmings one or either way.[/QUOTE]
After my study of the lemming population on the NA server they usually all head the same way all the time and leave the other way open, all the time, occasionally they go both ways equally.
So after knowing all that I tend to always head the one way they never go to.
The lemming populations seems to differ quite a bit from the servers from our observations.
The cents have shit DPM and the t8 one has no armor or alpha whatsoever, and they have frontal ammoracks. But their strengths are excellent accuracy, penetration and maneuverability, along with good frontal turrets and nice depression. They can't take a hit but they can deal damage consistently.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;39548704]Looking at winrates themselves is no longer important at all. Look at the noobmeter data including the average winrate of players. It's basically FINALLY the ting we tried to quantify years back, involving Patton.
[url]http://blog.noobmeter.com/[/url]
They take the winrate of the particular vehicle and divide it by the average winrate of the players that played the matches. This nullifies the effect of some branches being by average played by better people.
According to this, through January, FV215b was doing just dreadfully, and FV4202 even worse, being some SERIOUSLY gimped vehicles.[/QUOTE]
FV4202 has the lowest OP rating in the game. Wow.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39549290]FV4202 has the lowest OP rating in the game. Wow.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it looks like the vehicle isn't doing too well, but again, it's true that the sample size is rather small and thus might be quite inaccurate.
Still, it probably wouldn't be farfetched to call it the worst tier 10 medium.
Well, I've decided to stick with the Cromwell for now, and grind up the Chinese light tank tree. I love my AMX 13 90, but having a 100mm gun on a light tank looks too fun to pass up. I guess my main concern is, can the WZ-132 mount a vertical stabilizer? The wiki page is very unhelpful in that regard.
I don't get why should it do so badly, tho.
The closest tank it can be compared to is E-50M. E-50M has slightly more precise gun and slightly more accuracy on the move, but lower DPM and vision range.
E-50M is faster but less agile (lower traverse, higher ground resistances).
FV4202 also seems to have better armor (it's smaller, UFP seems near autoding angle and better angled than E-50M either way, LFP is tiny).
FV4202 also has excellent gun depression (-10 deg vs E-50M -6)
So I really don't understand why it's doing so awful.
I'm surprised the Conqueror is doing so well in those ranking. It's 2nd place in its class. I'm still on the fence of whether or not I actually want it, but I still have over 100k exp to go before I can even think about it. Maybe I should try for it.
I'll probably keep playing the Caernarvon regardless. I do actually like the tank, I just wish its ammo wasn't so expensive. Unlike the King Tiger it doesn't have a very good and very cheap bottom gun. It really bugs me that the top gun for the Caernarvon is so comparable to the 88/L71 while having ammo that costs twice as much.
a T32 sat next to the cap circle, hiding behind a house, instead of capping with me and caused us to lose the game, enemy med came at the end and broke my cap
I TK'd that faggot for causing us to lose, worst T32 I've ever seen
I find myself enjoying Campervagon inexplicably much.
It's a very specific sniperkampfy gameplay, but it's actually quite fast even with the stock engine, so I don't mind.
I can't wait to get the better engines.
No manlet for one, and a low top speed.
[editline]11th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Why485;39549448]I'm surprised the Conqueror is doing so well in those ranking. It's 2nd place in its class. I'm still on the fence of whether or not I actually want it, but I still have over 100k exp to go before I can even think about it. Maybe I should try for it.
[/QUOTE]
Like I said, the conqueror's 120mm, relative to its tier, is probably the best gun in the game.
I started playing again this weekend. I've never been greeted by so many shit teams before.
It's so so painful.
Man I keep getting odd matches today, had one in my matilda where a vk3601 kept dinging me while I penetrated him all day long, and then another one where I was in my churchill I and was getting ganged up on by a matilda, vk3001p and a churchill VII, they either kept hitting my tracks for zero damage or they dinged me.
Took em all on and got myself a nice steel wall in a tier 6 match.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;39549405]I don't get why should it do so badly, tho.
The closest tank it can be compared to is E-50M. E-50M has slightly more precise gun and slightly more accuracy on the move, but lower DPM and vision range.
E-50M is faster but less agile (lower traverse, higher ground resistances).
FV4202 also seems to have better armor (it's smaller, UFP seems near autoding angle and better angled than E-50M either way, LFP is tiny).
FV4202 also has excellent gun depression (-10 deg vs E-50M -6)
So I really don't understand why it's doing so awful.[/QUOTE]
The 4202 has the best hp/ton aside from the fagchat but is stupidly gimped to have 40 as its max speed.
Well it does have that almost autoding glacis plate and great turret armor. And very good maneuverability, turns fast as hell
[editline]11th February 2013[/editline]
4202 is perfectly balanced imo, the only reason it's so low in the statistics is because of retarded pubbies not knowing when and how to use HESH, yet still using it all the time.
Yeah, I just don't get why is it doing so badly.
Probably small sample size?
Faggots incapable of dealing with lack of HEAT?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;39549694]Faggots incapable of dealing with lack of HEAT?[/QUOTE]
HESH is infuriatingly ineffective and random.
I don't have the FV4202, but I do have the conqueror, and it has 120mm pen HESH instead of HE.
Side of an AMX 13 90's turret? 240 damage.
Front of an AMX 13 75? 180 damage.
Rear turret of a tiger II (dead on)? 300 damage.
Anytime I have used HESH, even on things I should easily be able to penetrate, I don't and deal less than I would had I shot AP. Short of a Mk1 medium, any situation you are better off using AP.
[QUOTE=Orkel;39549685]4202 is perfectly balanced imo, the only reason it's so low in the statistics is because of retarded pubbies not knowing when and how to use HESH, yet still using it all the time.[/QUOTE]
Problem with that theory:
The centurion Mk 7 is performing far better, having a 52.0% tank win rate, vs a 54.6% player win rate, compared to the FV4202's 47.1% tank win rate and 55.1% player win rate. Both have the same gun, and access to HESH. I don't think they somehow worsen to that extent just across one tier.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39549964]HESH is infuriatingly ineffective and random.
I don't have the FV4202, but I do have the conqueror, and it has 120mm pen HESH instead of HE.
Side of an AMX 13 90's turret? 240 damage.
Front of an AMX 13 75? 180 damage.
Rear turret of a tiger II (dead on)? 300 damage.
Anytime I have used HESH, even on things I should easily be able to penetrate, I don't and deal less than I would had I shot AP. Short of a Mk1 medium, any situation you are better off using AP.[/QUOTE]
Well, it IS just normal HE with supposedly doubled penetration value, so there's no actual reason why it should be significantly better than on T110E5.
There's also an opinion that the value is wrongly displayed and that the 120 isn't actual penetration but instead the caliber, and then it would be just identical to T110E5's HE.
well clearly WG is gonna buff the 4202 someday then but how, remains a mystery
[quote]- SerB states that as a writer, he doesn't make much money, it's the computer games that pay the bills
- fully customizable writings on tanks won't be implemented
- after tier 10 arty is implemented, arties will get roughly the same +-2 MM as the other tanks
- it's not confirmed that SU-14 and S-51 will stay on their tiers
- SerB states that when a lowtier arty destroys the enemy tank by killing the whole crew (SS: the player asking says that this happens to him often when he plays SU-18), it is roughly equally as profitable as if the tank gets normally destroyed, but the whole issue is complicated
[B]- Q: "What will the T57 nerf be like?" A: "Sudden and horrible"[/B]
- Japanese tanks:
Q: Are the following vehicles post-war made-up fakes?
1) 47mm Gun on Type 94 chassis:
[t]http://cs405130.userapi.com/v405130600/6375/USDKoPDLJ2s.jpg[/t]
2) Chi-Ri with Type 2 75mm gun
[t]http://cs405130.userapi.com/v405130600/637d/FrL-mqpxkZc.jpg[/t]
3) 150mm AA gun on Type 5 Ho-Ri chassis
4) 155mm Ho-Chi
[t]http://cs405130.userapi.com/v405130600/6384/DYg8rgIf708.jpg[/t]
5) Is it true that the early O-I variants' armor was not thicker than 75mm?
A: Looks like 3) is not a fake, as for 5) - entirely possible on the early 100t variant. As for the rest - more or less probable, we'll see.
- it's not sure tier 8 premium arties will appear
- it's not sure how the T-50-2 situation will be handled, it's possible (SS: only possible, not likely) that T-50-2 might become premium, SerB is "consireding a lot of options
[B]- all models for all tanks will be remade from scratch with better details, moving parts (ventilators, antenas) and turrets flying off when the tank is destroyed, this won't happen anytime soon[/B]
- pre-battle 30 second countdown won't be reduced
- Leopard won't recieve new guns, it's already balanced around tier 5
- no ETA on the turret part of the British TD's, but SerB confirms they will mostly have rapid fire guns
- Q: "SerB, what nice question would you ask yourself so it would a question
- British arty will come after T10 arties are implemented (SS: or with them, but not sooner)
- early French tank modifications from the 40's (Romanian R35 and such)? "I'll tell you when the time is right"
- WG has not yet promoted WoT in Japan
- Indien-Panzer is NOT a prototype for the Swiss Panzer 61
[B]- it's possible the XP/credit earning mechanism will be updated to fit new ways of destroying tanks (physics and such)[/B]
- Q: "Why did you decide to scrap the British turreted TDs for now and introduce paper-armored turtles instead?" A: "Because turtles are cool"
- at tier 8 SerB states that roughly 0,5 gold shells are fired per battle
- SU-101 is doing okay statistic wise
- the whole issue with the +-45 degrees for FV215b TD might be some sort of rumor, SerB is not sure how it really is
- the reason why Malinovka and Westfield assault are removed is "disbalance", they will not return earlier than next regular patch
- SerB states, that the Sexton is in the american tree, because it's a joint project - the chassis was from the USA. However, whether it really will be put into the US tree or UK tree will be decided after the test
- after some time, WoT might have the same improved render as the WoWp
- according to SerB, Maus is doing okay in the contemporary World of Tanks
- if you aim in artymode at water (a lake), the trajectory displayed will lead towards the point on the bottom of the lake, not towards water surface
- when considering patch statistics, developers disregard first two weeks
- in future (not sure how close or far), standard render (SS: "old render") won't be supported anymore
- Q: "I think SerB is quietly trolling us!" A: "Why quietly?!"
- Q: "Can TOG shoot itself in the back?" A:"Buy it and try it, we don't have time for such crap"
- Q: "Is dynamic terrain going to be implemented?" A: "Not in the current version. In the future - who knows?"
- SerB states that the theory saying "If one team has a platoon of 3 heavies and the other platoon of 3 meds, they both end up on the top of the battle MM" is a myth
- devs tried to estabilish a FAQ for the most notorious questions - didn't work, noone read it
- T-34 model 1943 had thicker frontal armor (60mm)
[B]- 100 percent crew training for silver is not planned[/B]
- it is not planned to introduce special gun spread for each type of ammo
- a T-34 premium tank of any type is not planned, because the devs are researching various T-34 variants and it's possible they might be introduced as normal vehicles.
- premium Churchill doesn't have a special XP modifier
- Elefant wasn't introduced separately, because it differs from Ferdinand too little[/quote]
Redo all the models from scratch? Is that honestly needed? Sure they can update them and shit but I've always thought that is one thing Wargaming did right was hiring good 3d artists.
"- at tier 8 SerB states that roughly 0,5 gold shells are fired per battle"
wow I thought it would be a little higher
landkreuzer: How bad can it be?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/IL4lm91.jpg[/img]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xInnvtH.jpg[/IMG]
bad enough that a tier 3 td outclasses the rest of your team
[QUOTE=acidcj;39550385]"- at tier 8 SerB states that roughly 0,5 gold shells are fired per battle"
wow I thought it would be a little higher[/QUOTE]
Last night someone in an IS-7 was complaining about me using gold rounds and how no everyone can use them because it costs 100,000 a game to run all gold (somehow).
So, with the average level of intelligence in the WoT community, it's not at all surprising.
Unrelated:
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(Steppes)
[t]http://wg-news.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/%D0%AD%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA1.jpg[/t]
(Ensk)
[t]http://wg-news.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/%D0%A0%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%85%D1%82%D0%B011.jpg[/t]
(Fisherman's Bay)
[t]http://wg-news.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B2-%D0%9E%D0%BA%D1%81.jpg[/t]
(Live Oaks)
[url=http://ftr-wot.blogspot.com/2013/02/old-re-worked-maps-in-84.html]Some more images[/url]
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