[QUOTE=ze beaver;39599925]Riiiight.
I had a platoon of dumb russian 183s (all below 50% win rate) going valley on Abbey, alone against 3 E-100s, a T110 and an IS-7.
The T110 was spotted first, in the first minute, he died in exactly 2 seconds. The third 183 who still had a shell loaded fires HESH into the E-100, maximum damage roll and it burns a bit. By that time the 2 other 183s are loaded and fire into the IS-7, another 2 second death. Artillery takes out the 200 or so health E-100 while the 2 other E-100s proceed to get raped.
If anyone somehow thinks giving a tank such armor (no, I don't think the armor is OP, but it's too much for the other characteristics) along with decent mobility and an absolutely fucking rape gun that destroys T10 mediums in one shot is balanced, they can die in a fire (caused by a 183mm HESH round if possible).[/QUOTE]
It seems all of you are judging the tank by the HESH performance.
Everyone uses gold ammo on test anyway so that's a bit stupid, wait till live to judge OP performance properly otherwise your conclusions will be skewed.
imo its not the tank that's the problem, its gold ammo
[QUOTE=Crumpet;39599997]It seems all of you are judging the tank my the HESH performance.
Everyone uses gold ammo on test anyway so that's a bit stupid, wait till live to judge OP performance properly otherwise your conclusions will be skewed[/QUOTE]
Uhh, I use all gold in my E-100 and mostly gold in many of my tier 10's, so why wouldn't I use gold in the tier 10 Brit TD?
[QUOTE=DaMastez;39600014]Uhh, I use all gold in my E-100 and mostly gold in many of my tier 10's, so why wouldn't I use gold in the tier 10 Brit TD?[/QUOTE]
[quote=Crumpet]imo its not the tank that's the problem, its gold ammo[/quote]
[QUOTE=Crumpet;39599997]It seems all of you are judging the tank my the HESH performance.
Everyone uses gold ammo on test anyway so that's a bit stupid, wait till live to judge OP performance properly otherwise your conclusions will be skewed[/QUOTE]
Everyone uses gold ammo on the real server too.
Have you played T10 battles recently? I have yet to see a single E-100 not using 100% HEAT in random battles. People don't give a fuck about losing money, they have plenty of T8 premiums to make up for it. What they want is damage in order to boost their efficiency and "rape dem nubs".
The 268 having 3000 DPM is a problem, but the 183 having even more than that with gold rounds is a-okay?
[I]make up your mind facepunch[/I]
Please refer to my two previous posts, and read them through
[QUOTE=Crumpet;39600166]Please refer to my two previous posts, and read them through[/QUOTE]
Yes, gold ammo is the problem.
Wargaymen said they wouldn't nerf the 183's gold ammo.
Everyone uses gold ammo on their Tier 10s
So the 183 is a problem and needs to get nerfed into the fucking ground like every other T10.
[QUOTE=ze beaver;39600190]Yes, gold ammo is the problem.
Wargaymen said they wouldn't nerf the 183's gold ammo.
Everyone uses gold ammo on their Tier 10s
So the 183 is a problem and needs to get nerfed into the fucking ground like every other T10.[/QUOTE]
Fucken wargaymen
I remember in the last test the British Tier Xs were deemed to be overpowered. They got a slight nerf and now actually under perform on the live servers.
Ironically the Test servers are really bad for actual testing.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;39600166]Please refer to my two previous posts, and read them through[/QUOTE]
Yes, I saw that, but if it has gold rounds that make it OP, it's still OP.
[QUOTE=LtBubbles;39599848]I see, though i'd like to point out the metagame is not exactly reliable tacticwise.
I've discussed this before, the game is too chaotic for you to forsee what's going to happen.
I've made so many plans before, thinking "oh so they have many mediums, i should avoid that place mediums go all the time"
Then bam, most of their mediums are actually somewhere completely unexpected and stupid.
The result, they get overwhelmed, but not before killing me that had planned everything but not expecting said mediums there.
That is but one example, that has happened so many fucking time.
"oh so this side of the maps is not completely covered from artillery fire, but it's sot stupidly hard to hit and far away from the real big tanks arties are supposed to hit, i don't expect to have problems with arty"
Bam, arty insists on doing pot shots on me, eventually taking the kill.
It's situations like this, in which my team wins but i end up being the useless little bit.
Look, i'll stop with the ranting, i don't want to sound butthurt, i'll just take little rest from WoT and try to digest the advices here, i just wanted to put on the table my point of view on a couple things and express my feelings while looking on ways to go around it, thanks for all the support guys.[/QUOTE]
The best advice I can give you, is to shut down the brain when playing and try to have fun.
If that doesn't work like having constant arty matches plus shit maps and teams, get mad, be stubborn, refuse to let someone take your fun away and then fuck shit up.
Playing different tanks all the time helps as well, not to mention trying out different tactics on the go.
One of the most importantly though is to play tanks that are fun, always try to love the tank you are playing and make sure you are doing your best to not let it down.
Or just stop caring about whats going to happen, realize that you will most likely get set on fire/lose/artied.
Because with that attitude it can only go upwards, hopefully.
Though gotta say, games where you are to be blamed for the loss is really refreshing and not as infuriating as when you did way more than expected.
fucken wargaymen x2
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XAAdN94.jpg[/IMG]
for some reason my aspect ratio is butchered in screenshots, its awful
[img]http://i.imgur.com/EdELYug.jpg[/img]
Wargaming: "let's nerf a tank to make it look better"
[QUOTE=Crumpet;39600265]fucken wargaymen x2
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XAAdN94.jpg[/IMG]
for some reason my aspect ratio is butchered in screenshots, its awful[/QUOTE]
At least the queue works for you.
It doesn't even show anything on my end, it just complains about the server being busy. I'm about to make a script that presses enter every 5 seconds for me, it'd be a whole lot easier.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39600226]I remember in the last test the British Tier Xs were deemed to be overpowered. They got a slight nerf and now actually under perform on the live servers.
Ironically the Test servers are really bad for actual testing.[/QUOTE]
This is what I'm expecting to happen. The FV215b on the test server was pretty awesome. It was a fragile tank but mobile and with an excellent and accurate gun. The gun got nerfed, the armor got buffed, and now the FV215b isn't particularly noteworthy.
[editline]15th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=acidcj;39600276][img]http://i.imgur.com/EdELYug.jpg[/img]
Wargaming: "let's nerf a tank to make it look better"[/QUOTE]
Considering the E-50 is more or less fictional, couldn't they have just changed the model so it doesn't have that problem?
[QUOTE=Wiseman400;39600261]The best advice I can give you, is to shut down the brain when playing and try to have fun.
If that doesn't work like having constant arty matches plus shit maps and teams, get mad, be stubborn, refuse to let someone take your fun away and then fuck shit up.
Playing different tanks all the time helps as well, not to mention trying out different tactics on the go.
One of the most importantly though is to play tanks that are fun, always try to love the tank you are playing and make sure you are doing your best to not let it down.
Or just stop caring about whats going to happen, realize that you will most likely get set on fire/lose/artied.
Because with that attitude it can only go upwards, hopefully.
Though gotta say, games where you are to be blamed for the loss is really refreshing and not as infuriating as when you did way more than expected.[/QUOTE]
Or, you could by a fast fun tank like the T71, Chaffee, ELC, Amx 13/90 or T 50-2 and have a blast instead.
Better nerf these Russians too then!
[img]http://i.imgur.com/BabO2rN.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/McrrMBU.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/UHw9vCs.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/R9fLAJv.jpg[/img]
Oh wait, they're tanks of Glorious Stalin.
This E-50M nerf reminds me how the god damn Type 59 has -7° while it should have -5°.
[I]Wargaming, historical accuracy when we want it[/I]
[QUOTE=Orkel;39600340]
Oh wait, they're tanks of Glorious Stalin.[/QUOTE]
It also happens in 'Murrica
[T]http://i.imgur.com/cQlaUGH.jpg[/T]
Although they fixed that one apparently.
[url=http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/128222-gnomefathers-engine-pack/page__st__500__pid__3750402#entry3750402]GnomeFather flip-flops.[/url] You were right, he really does overreact.
The FV215b 183 gold ammo doesn't even cost that much, lending support to the idea that using the gold ammo is actually going to be common place.
Its AP ammo costs 2250 and deals 1150 damage, meaning 1.96 credits per point of damage.
Its HESH shells cost 5600 and deal 1750 damage meaning 3.2 credits per point of damage
By comparison, the T110's 120mm shells cost 1060 for 400 damage meaning 2.65 credits per point of damage.
Its HEAT ammo cost 4000 and deal 400 damage, meaning 10 credits for every point of damage
The 183mm is a very cost effective weapon.
Fuck SPGs and their bullshit
[QUOTE=ze beaver;39600344]This E-50M nerf reminds me how the god damn Type 59 has -7° while it should have -5°.
[I]Wargaming, historical accuracy when we want it[/I]
It also happens in 'Murrica
[T]http://i.imgur.com/cQlaUGH.jpg[/T]
Although they fixed that one apparently.[/QUOTE]
Have i not seen that tank before?
At this point they should either
1) remove the depression nerf
or
2) nerf every other clipping tank's depression, probably in the dozens
If they keep the E-50M nerf but don't nerf other nation's tanks suffering from the same "problem" then they just yet again keep confirming their anti-German bias.
[QUOTE=Orkel;39600535]At this point they should either
1) remove the depression nerf
or
2) nerf every other clipping tank's depression, probably in the dozens
If they keep the E-50M nerf but don't nerf other nation's tanks suffering from the same "problem" then they just yet again keep confirming their anti-German bias.[/QUOTE]
The only thing that would make them nerf the others, would be a universal criticism of nerfing the E-50M on the forums.
But WG will probably just write it off as butthurt German fans.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;39600658]Why does anyone bother driving German tanks? They're just going to keep getting nerfed, they weren't even that good to begin with.[/QUOTE]
I'm starting to wonder the same thing. Seems like all the end-tier tanks get screwed over in some way.
I sold my JagdPz4 to help pay for some of the tier 3 stuff I was using in CW knowing that I could buy it back eventually. Now, I'm not sure I'll even bother.
NA thread about the nerf got locked without a reason.
[url]http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/207796-e-50m-nerf-thread-to-raise-awareness-of-this[/url]
[QUOTE=Orkel;39600702]NA thread about the nerf got locked without a reason.
[url]http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/207796-e-50m-nerf-thread-to-raise-awareness-of-this[/url][/QUOTE]
Not surprising at all
Fuckkk WG , seriosly !! this is silly!
Is there ANY way to join the test server at this time?
It looks like they still haven't even got around to fix the fucking queue because It's still being the piece of shit it always was.
I'm currently sitting at 4.9k alt-tabbed. It's useless.
I don't even get into any queue. I just get a window saying that ~I'm waiting in a queue for Common Test server X~ and then it boots me back to "Server busy".
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