[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39166189]Scout. I'm not trying to be malicious or antagonizing here. I honestly don't know what you meant when you just said that all you need to say was its rather slow top speed. [/QUOTE]
Then don't repeat the same insane phrase which isn't anything close to what I said.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39166189] How do its other factors not make up for it?[/QUOTE]
The sides only ocassionally (read: tracks) eat the random shell outside autobounce angle
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39166189]Being incredibly vague about it all doesn't really tell me much..[/QUOTE]
You didn't ask. You said: "Um?" Talk about vague.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39166189]
When Thor and Ogo had it they seemed to really love it, and if I recall correctly, Ogo was absorbing JT long 128 shells in the mantlet left and right. Surely its armor has some merit, no?[/QUOTE]
Sure. Anytime somebody only shoots you in the turret you'll be good.
Meanwhile the hull is bigger and wider than its predecessors.
Thanks for the answers, though next time you don't gotta be so hostile :v:. If you gotta be angry, direct it at artillery or something :P
[QUOTE=adam1172;39166116]Finally got around to train my Pz.IV to the next level.
VK3601H or 3001P?[/QUOTE]
Depends. If you want to have the best grind of your life up to the E-75, go 3601. If you want to get constantly shat on, 3001p. If you want to compare just the two tanks themselves, then 3601h. That thing is literally a more effectively armored Tiger at T6.
[QUOTE=adam1172;39166116]Finally got around to train my Pz.IV to the next level.
VK3601H or 3001P?[/QUOTE]
Both are good, but I enjoyed the 3601H more. With the right tiering and properly angled armor it's a monster.
[QUOTE=scout1;39166110]No. It's bad because it doesn't have speed and its other factors don't make up for it. Don't put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
You said "Speed Limit 20 km/h all I need to say". What words did he put in your mouth? The only thing you can criticize him here for is for not reading your mind. You literally said speed was the only relevant factor, don't jump down his throat because he took that at face value and didn't predict you'd want to add a qualifying statement later.
[QUOTE=cccino;39166445]You said "Speed Limit 20 km/h all I need to say". What words did he put in your mouth? The only thing you can criticize him here for is for not reading your mind. You literally said speed was the only relevant factor, don't jump down his throat because he took that at face value and didn't predict you'd want to add a qualifying statement later.[/QUOTE]
Taking it at face value would mean "The speed is bad", not "NO SPEED NO GAME EVERYTHING SUCKS"
[editline]10th January 2013[/editline]
Plus I kind of guessed that he had some sort of experience with the tank when he wants to start defending it
Instead his vague "Um?" turned out to actually mean "I don't know anything about this tank what's wrong with it?"
So don't get on my case about being 'vague'.
[QUOTE=scout1;39166472]Taking it at face value would mean "The speed is bad", not "NO SPEED NO GAME EVERYTHING SUCKS"[/quote]
Should I bold the "all I need to say" bit?
I'm just trying to explain where the misunderstanding has come from, Scout. You need to take a breath and give people the benefit of the doubt before you start dumb-bombing and getting your shit up about trivial stuff.
[QUOTE=cccino;39166495]Should I bold the "all I need to say" bit?
I'm just trying to explain where the misunderstanding has come from, Scout. You need to take a breath and give people the benefit of the doubt before you start dumb-bombing and getting your shit up about trivial stuff.[/QUOTE]
Benefit of the doubt ran out a long time ago my friend
[editline]10th January 2013[/editline]
I'll be happy to provide examples via PM. This is enough of this.
Do we really need to have one of these drama extravaganzas every single day?
New WoT thread record: drama after 15 pages
[QUOTE=scout1;39166515]I'll be happy to provide examples via PM.[/quote]
God no.
Meanwhile,
Is it good or bad that I've only played like 50 battles in the last two months?
lods o' answers
[quote][B]- even though Mr. Hilary Doyle states that the lower mobility of the German vehicles is a myth, the devs state that he's only one of the experts and that their lower mobility is noted in various other sources, according to Wargaming their own expert (Jurij Pasholok) was one of those people who actually livetested a Panther in Kubinka, so he has first hand experience (SerB states that it's not possible the Kubinka Panther was broken or something like that)[/B]
- Doyle notes that the name of the engine intended for the VK3002DB is MB507 - in the game, however, the Maus engine has the same designation. This is not going to be changed (devs don't state why)
- KV-1, T-34 and Panther turret rotating speeds won't be changed (they don't match Doyle's data)
- Doyle states that the weight of the Schmalturm is actually less than the weight of the "regular" Panther turret. According to the devs, this is not true, as the geometric calculations suggest otherwise
[B]- when balancing the artillery, taking only winrate into account isn't enough, as it is balanced separately (SS: no point then in asking "what winrate will be low enough to stop arty nerfs")[/B]
- devs state that the IS-7 gun has such a long time, because it is long and heavy
- the reasons GW Tiger and GW E had their mobility reduced lies in balancing, the devs don't think they overdid the mobility nerf too much
- devs won't disclose any info regarding to the technical aspects of the game programming (the way the game calculates actual movement etc.)
[B]- there will be a second french tier 10 heavy tank, it's supposed to have very thick frontal armor (both hull and turret), but the sides and rear armor will be weak, the second French heavy branch won't have autoloaders (confirmed), not decided where it will start though[/B]
- shots to external modules (that don't generally count in the post-battle debriefing) do count when calulating the "sentinel" medal
[B]- there will be a feature showing the quality of the player directly in game (SS: player mentions some sort of official XVM, but that is unlikely, more like some sort of special skins and decals for high winrate players)[/B]
[B]- approximately 20 percent of players removed the "assault mode" from their games via the settings[/B]
- Chinese inscriptions on tanks meaning: "use google" (SS: much simplier - hover the mouse over the respective decals and a popup text with their meaning will show)
- so far, no other than "historical" insciptions on tanks are planned
- Clanwars mercenaries in their current form were cancelled, because they'd only be made of clan players who want to gear up
- there will be an option of playing CW's without joining any clan though, the devs are working on it
[B]- devs don't think that the Chinese IS is overpowered even though it has 300mm gold pen shells, because its mobility is worse than its Soviet counterpart[/B]
- the only Soviet tanks with autoloaders are the T-64, T-72 and T-80, they won't appear in the game
[B]- devs don't consider the Marder II overnerfed[/B]
- there will be no penalties for arty players, who favour shooting enemy tank destroyers (SS: meant as "tank destroyers who camp the base and don't pose any danger, while enemy meds and heavies pose a much higher threat")
[B]- SS: one player posted 9 whine/bullshit questions in a row, got 9x14days (126 days) of RO ban... holy shit[/B]
[B]- regarding the turrets flying off: the devs are not sure yet how they will do it, if the turret wreck will be a material object and others will be able to see it and crash into it, it's not done with Havok anymore, it requires server resources. The devs prefer the ripped-off turret to be material, but aren't sure if that's gonna work[/B]
- effect of tracks flying off is purely cosmetic, so that can be done client-side
- the winrate differences between servers are only very small
[B]- after 0.8.3, average damage done by arties is expected to drop by cca 15 percent, mostly because of the close range fighting[/B]
- the "alive" tank (who shows as live, but counts as destroyed because the crew is dead) is not considered a bug, won't be "fixed"
[B]- according to SerB, it's pointless to file reports against an arty that shoots an enemy tank that is hugging your tank, kills it but damages you in the process - "part of the fight"[/B]
[B]- according to SerB, the arty mobility nerfs won't affect good artillery players, because a good artillery player doesn't troll around in TD mode, quite the opposite[/B]
[B]- there is apparently a plan to merge the Clanwars into one huge superserver where US, EU and RU clans will be fighting each other[/B], the devs don't consider it a problem there might be a national rivalry (anti-russian insults etc), but - they won't implement this into random battles, where it would be a problem (or they will but in limited fashion)
[B]- the new perks might be in 2013,[/B] not sure how many. Radioman skills and perks won't be reworked ("if you don't like them, don't train them")
[B]- the camo check interval (rumored to be 5 seconds) will shorten - depends on the server resources[/B]
[B][U]- there are plans to change the shell system (new types etc.) - no more details[/U][/B]
- there are studies being conducted on the AT-15A prototype (this might make Listy happy) regarding its characteristics
- according to the devs, E50M is not completely fictional, it's fully within the spirit of the late war German designs, there is no suitable tank of its tier to replace it, the design was consulted with experts (Doyle, Jentz), it wasn't even possible to push the medium German branch up one tier (the German vehicles simply weren't that good). The vehicle isn't completely fictional, as it represents post-war development direction (French-German cooperation). Its gun is not completely fictional either, as there were plans for such a gun but the data didn't survive the war, so the devs used the L7 as analogy.
- the ingame ST-I suspension is almost identical to the one of IS-4
- in 0.8.0, camo coefficients for tanks were changed to fit the new render, but the equation itself wasn't
- US arty M52, M53, M55, M109, US medium T42, Russian Object 103 and German VK3002DB Ausf. B in the game? "no comment"
- FCM36 Pak40 and B2 LeFH105 premium arty are French because the German branch had enough premium vehicles of its own, B2: it's not planned to be made German
- the regular AP and subcaliber AP penetration decals are the same
- the 30 second battle countdown starts approximately when 2/3 of the team are present
[B]- the time gap between the point of base capture and return to hangar is 5 seconds. If in those 5 seconds a tank is destroyed (regardless of which team), the 5 second timer resets, so if the tanks are killed left and right during that period, it can reach a rather long time (even a teamkill can reset the counter)[/B]
- a HE arty shell that penetrates a tank hull and explodes within has the splash of 0 - it hasn't been decided whether this will get changed
- no plans for other gold shells for the tier 9 Patton
- no plans for radical change of TD gameplay
- no plans to improve the Superpershing turret rotation speed
[B]- SerB: technically there are enough vehicles for 5 German TD branches, 3 without the "paper" vehicles (SS: the term Serb used is "a stretched vehicle" - might also mean vehicles buffed beyond their actual parameters)[/B]
- theoretically second branches of arty are possible, but there will most likely be none
[B][U]- a huge change for 2013 (think "new physics" magnitude)? "I'll let you know when I'm ready"[/U][/B]
[B]- there is a rule that an arty cannot kill more than half of the crew in one shot[/B] [I](yeah like that's not enough)[/I]
- devs think that the current sound quality (regarding the engine sounds) is quite okay, it'll improve though
- Storm prefers AT-15A to SU-122-44 because he doesn't like the aiming time and the accuracy and spread of the Soviet tank
- the devs state that rather than developing the system where the tanks are covered in mud when they pass it, they'd prefer to work on the game optimalisation
[B]- SerB: we don't guarantee that the E50M will remain to be the tank with the most accurate gun around[/B]
- the idea that there will be two types of game clients: one for weak computers and one for strong ones has been scrapped, "for technical reasons"
- it's not out of the questions that there will be more tier 10 vehicles (of all classes) with unlockable modules, but SerB states it's not planned specifically
[B]- no plans to reduce the XP requirements for skill and perk training[/B]
- no plans to move the game to another engine
- according to SerB, 3 arties per team is an optimal average number, when the number drops to that, there will be no more nerfs needed
- Swiss Panzer 58 and Panzer 61 both fit into WoT timeframe, but SerB won't comment on their implementation to the EU tree
[B]- 2013 E25 confirmed[/B]
- IS-7 and IS-4 have the similiar fuel tanks layout
- SU-101 winrate is fine according to devs
[B]- when vehicles of the same tier have 3-4 percent winrate difference, it's a reason to rebalance (it has always been so)[/B] [I](except when it's the jagdpanzer e-100)[/I]
- Storm doesn't consider the scout flood a MM issue, we can expect to see 10xScout + 5xArty teams further
- standard render will most likely not be further developed
[B]- Christie tanks rolling around on wheels 100 km/h? "no"[/B] [/quote]
World of Drama - Tanks Edition.
Seriously the thread name needs to be changed to that, or the next thread needs to be called that.
scout and madcat, i'm tired of your constant bitching at eachother
next time you do it you'll both get thrown out of the thread permanently
[editline]10th January 2013[/editline]
and stop crying to me about eachother on steam every single time holy shit you kids
[QUOTE=Orkel;39166588]- Christie tanks rolling around on wheels 100 km/h? "no"[/QUOTE]
But.. But.. Going fast.. :C
Araknid how are your SEA pings? I'm getting ratshit. 200-220 plus spikes up to 350 plus packet loss.
Oh , hey 26 new posts in this forum, cool!
Wait... no.... its just scout1 and madcat fucking raging at each other....
[QUOTE=scout1;39166110]No. It's bad because it doesn't have speed and its other factors don't make up for it. Don't put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
Well then you obviously need to learn how to better take advantage of the other factors, because you are clearly doing something wrong. One nice thing about vertical armor means any movement results in more effective armor. Tilt the hull 30 degrees, and LOS, your front hull is 176mm, and your side just under 200mm. Of course if you manage to find cover, you can reverse peek in what is likely the best tank for it in the game. It can still show its turret without showing its hull while about 25 degrees, giving your side armor, a LOS thickness of 225mm. In cases where there is a lip to cover a bit of your hull, it can be closer to 275mm LOS thickness.
Then there is its on the move accuracy, dispersion and aim time. All of which are exceptional even before mounting a vertical stabilizer. Soft stats are wonderful and power to weight ratio is good. This thing actually enjoys climbing hills, as it will retain only a slightly lower speed than its top speed, even on steep hills, where as other tanks can be far below their's. As mentioned its turret is almost impenetrable, rivaling plenty of American tanks considering it has tiny and deceptive weak spots on the turret front with no cheeks or cupola to speak of.
With the exception of the French 90mm, this tank can bludgeon any tank below its tier indiscriminately, and there will be nothing they can do about it. At tier 7, with a touch of angling, your immune at range to other nation's guns, and at close range, highly resistant. At tier 8 you will need to take care of your armor. And at tier 9, with well done angling, you will bounce tier 10 shells with alarming consistency at range, and up close, catch more plenty of the low rolls.
[QUOTE=cccino;39166677]Araknid how are your SEA pings? I'm getting ratshit. 200-220 plus spikes up to 350 plus packet loss.[/QUOTE]
If it's anything like the NA server, then the SEA server is probably shitting itself as well. Getting really random ping spikes all through the day. WG must be messing with something.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39166726]Well then you obviously need to learn how to better take advantage of the other factors, because you are clearly doing something wrong. One nice thing about vertical armor means any movement results in more effective armor[/QUOTE]
It's over, please don't continue the argument. Orkel's getting pretty fed up.
[QUOTE=cccino;39166677]Araknid how are your SEA pings? I'm getting ratshit. 200-220 plus spikes up to 350 plus packet loss.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm pretty much getting the same as that.
It wasn't god damn worth it.
Where do you guys live. My SEA ping is like 60, 110 at most. But when the internet is really shite its at 140 with terrible spikes.
But its been spiking from 60 to 200 from time to time recently and I have no idea why.
[QUOTE=adam1172;39166878]Where do you guys live. My SEA ping is like 60, 110 at most. But when the internet is really shite its at 140 with terrible spikes.
But its been spiking from 60 to 200 from time to time recently and I have no idea why.[/QUOTE]
Australia, Melbourne specifically.
Ahh, its a no wonder especially when the servers are located in Singapore? I think.
Sydney, in my case.
Norm is like 130ms to SEA, 260ms to NA, but SEA has always been more unstable for me than NA.
[QUOTE=adam1172;39166913]Ahh, its a no wonder especially when the servers are located in Singapore? I think.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, the ping I was getting with NA was still not that big of a difference to SEA, it was only 50-100 more
[QUOTE]Researched:
Module Gun '122 mm D-2-5T' researched.
Undistributed experience spent: 15286.
Free Experience spent: 1714.[/QUOTE]
Thank god that grind is over, killed a low-health Tiger, PzIII/IV, and a M7 with it. Now tomorrow I'm going to focus on buffing up my SU-100.
I've gotten into the habit of grinding for one module every day now and I usually do it early in the morning when there's less people on.
i love this gun
[t]http://i.imgur.com/WOG1k.jpg[/t]
Just finished my second crew skill on my panzer II. Now for the third!
I love this thing so much. Great maneuverability, great armor, great gun, low profile. I can pretty much charge a whole ball of tanks while angled and take hardly any damage.
[IMG_thumb]http://i50.tinypic.com/6hky37.png[/IMG_thumb]
Sure, I'm kind of picking on the newbies, but maybe they'll learn a thing or two in the process. That and [i]someone[/i] has to take the mini-mice down a peg. :v:
[QUOTE=Lupin;39167341]Just finished my second crew skill on my panzer II. Now for the third!
I love this thing so much. Great maneuverability, great armor, great gun, low profile. I can pretty much charge a whole ball of tanks while angled and take hardly any damage.
img goes here
Sure, I'm kind of picking on the newbies, but maybe they'll learn a thing or two in the process. That and [i]someone[/i] has to take the mini-mice down a peg. :v:[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;39167367]Holy fuck.[/QUOTE]
Best part is that I've done 90% of those games solo. No platoons needed! :v:
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