How is not a complete game? I've played it for about 100 hours or so with friends. The game has so much to do. The game is complete in my opinion. What would you like to be added?
[QUOTE=joost1120;37368412]How is not a complete game? I've played it for about 100 hours or so with friends. The game has so much to do. The game is complete in my opinion. What would you like to be added?[/QUOTE]
Look at all the mods, all the possible additions of biomes, of new places, enemies, friendlies, building material, and just general expansion. It is just basic as it is now, not saying that can't be satisfying, but it could have been a lot more.
[QUOTE=G3rman;37368396]It was underutilised and left much to be desired. Anyone can tell you they could have put a lot more expansion into the game, but instead they abandoned it. It's fine to move onto other projects but only when you have left a game in proper straits which they did not.[/QUOTE]
They fact they even came back to it deserves merit. They could have released - patched - and called it quits.
I haven't been following this at all, but seriously? A small developer can't focus on both old and new. I see no reason to call them out for 'abandoning Terraria.'
[QUOTE=Doom14;37368461]They fact they even came back to it deserves merit. They could have released - patched - and called it quits.
I haven't been following this at all, but seriously? A small developer can't focus on both old and new. I see no reason to call them out for 'abandoning Terraria.'[/QUOTE]
A small developer should focus on one game and finish it before they start another one, not leave it half done.
They shouldn't have moved forward until he had left both the game and community satisfied, which they didn't.
He doesn't satisfy the community, as the developer he has the right to develop the game as he sees fit. He was in no way obligated to continue work on the game at all if he felt the game was complete or simply by lack of interest. I'm quite satisfied with the game and pick it up every now and again for an hour or so.
[QUOTE=Cows Rule;37368516]He doesn't satisfy the community, as the developer he has the right to develop the game as he sees fit. He was in no way obligated to continue work on the game at all if he felt the game was complete or simply by lack of interest. I'm quite satisfied with the game and pick it up every now and again for an hour or so.[/QUOTE]
Reputation can make or break a beginning studio/developer, its clear he burned some bridges with moving onto the next project and not really making Terraria any easier for the community to take over.
This isn't about Terraria though, its about Starbound which he thankfully has no influence on.
[QUOTE=G3rman;37368487]A small developer should focus on one game and finish it before they start another one, not leave it half done.
They shouldn't have moved forward until he had left both the game and community satisfied, which they didn't.[/QUOTE]
The instant he's released it - that's it. They're no obliged to 'add' anything to it. Patch it - yes, but only as far as needed.
Even when they game came out on day one, it was a lot of fun. It wasn't a super polished AAA title game, but it was a jolly blast. And every big update had me replaying it. I'm happy for that - really. I feel like I got my money's worth out of it. If this was a $50-60 game, I might be speaking a little differently. A jaded portion of the community doesn't constitute the whole, and the game satisfaction is just the opinion of the prior.
Terraria, for me, is fine right now. Some official mod tools could expand it's shelf life indefinitely, but it's totally fine for the price that's being asked. If it was a tad easier to customize and work with, you'd see fan additions, expansions and total conversions out the ass.
That said, I don't want the developer to work on Terraria anymore. I want him to work on Starbound. And I want to have that fun, new-game scent, clueless feeling when I hop into it. And if it's bound to only last me a week or few, then I want it reasonably priced - which it probably will be.
I dunno, that's just my two cents.
Let me expolate a little more. Terraria has had about 6-7 massive content updates and 10 over all. In any other game, this would be called DLC or Expansion Packs and you'd be charged between $2-$40 for access to it. I want you to think of that. Even at a low ball, that's about $12 of content you've been given for free. On a high-ball EA Activision format, that's around $280. When the developer makes a call that says "this is the final content update" then he's considering the game done. The end. Or he's "[i]abandoned it.[/i]" Call it what you want, but it won't change the fact. There's not this huge, heavy outcry. It's angst. It's gloom. It means the game won't grow anymore and since there's no real in-depth tools with which to modify it, it's life is ticking away. To that, I say: "So what?" Plenty of classics have survived this trial. When you bought the game, you bought the game. In it's current state. You don't buy something, and then go to the developer, which outstretched hands, and go "Gimme!" This entitlement thing is getting wonky in this era. Back when I played Age of Empires 2 - if those big expansion packs came out for free, with the patches, I woulda flipped my shit. That's like ordering a burger and having the fast-food chain mail you a second one, free of charge, later. It's incredible.
It's sad how we start to treat this as something we must have, though. It is a different story when the game is clawing out of beta and begging for money (Minecraft, others), but a title like this is not in the same realm. I didn't buy a Terraria Beta, I bought Terraria. That's that. I guess we should say Valve has abandoned Left 4 Dead. And Portal. And Left 4 Dead 2. And Counter Strike: Source. And Half-Life 2. And Ricochet. :v:
There, four cents.
I think the big problem most people have is that updates suddenly stopped [i]and[/i] there was intentionally absolutely no support for community additions added.
The game would've been more finished as is if Blue didn't intentionally leak it in the first place nor they had announced it SO early. But the game is clearly finished as to what it was back then.
[QUOTE=Doom14;37368557]The instant he's released it - that's it. They're no obliged to 'add' anything to it. Patch it - yes, but only as far as needed.
Even when they game came out on day one, it was a lot of fun. It wasn't a super polished AAA title game, but it was a jolly blast. And every big update had me replaying it. I'm happy for that - really. I feel like I got my money's worth out of it. If this was a $50-60 game, I might be speaking a little differently. A jaded portion of the community doesn't constitute the whole, and the game satisfaction is just the opinion of the prior.
Terraria, for me, is fine right now. Some official mod tools could expand it's shelf life indefinitely, but it's totally fine for the price that's being asked. If it was a tad easier to customize and work with, you'd see fan additions, expansions and total conversions out the ass.
[B]That said, I don't want the developer to work on Terraria anymore. I want him to work on Starbound. [/B]And I want to have that fun, new-game scent, clueless feeling when I hop into it. And if it's bound to only last me a week or few, then I want it reasonably priced - which it probably will be.
I dunno, that's just my two cents.
[/QUOTE]
My turn to state what has been said a million times.
[B]STARBOUND AND TERRARIA HAVE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS[/B]
And people have every right to get irate with a developer that churns shit out and leaves it with less content than they had promised.
But that is only tangentially related to starbound.
The only link is that the same artist that worked on terraria works on this.
And those content updates were hardly 'massive', the only reason they increased the relative amount of the content to such a degree is because at launch terraria was pretty insubstatial.
Not that that is a bad thing, necessarily, but it doesn't mean that adding one mechanic or thing counts as a massive update.
There was one big update for terraria and a bunch small of content patches.
[QUOTE=Pokey McFork;37370375]My turn to state what has been said a million times.
[B]STARBOUND AND TERRARIA HAVE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS[/B]
And people have every right to get irate with a developer that churns shit out and leaves it with less content than they had promised.
But that is only tangentially related to starbound.
The only link is that the same artist that worked on terraria works on this.
And those content updates were hardly 'massive', the only reason they increased the relative amount of the content to such a degree is because at launch terraria was pretty insubstatial.
Not that that is a bad thing, necessarily, but it doesn't mean that adding one mechanic or thing counts as a massive update.
There was one big update for terraria and a bunch small of content patches.[/QUOTE]
He just said he wouldn't mind seeing him work at it, calm down.
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
Also, why not be happy for getting all the updates you got for free instead of complaining about not getting more just because you want?
Even if Starbound gets not-much post-release care (which it shouldn't), the modding scene should flourish, since the engine is built with moddability in mind.
[QUOTE=G3rman;37368448]Look at all the mods, all the possible additions of biomes, of new places, enemies, friendlies, building material, and just general expansion. It is just basic as it is now, not saying that can't be satisfying, but it could have been a lot more.[/QUOTE]
Look at CSS. Look at all the mods, the possible additions of biomes, of new places, enemies, friendlies, weapons and just general expansion. It is just basic as it is now, not saying it can't be satisfying, but it could have been a lot more.
[QUOTE=Fhux;37370414]He just said he wouldn't mind seeing him work at it, calm down.
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
Also, why not be happy for getting all the updates you got for free instead of complaining about not getting more just because you want?[/QUOTE]
I am happy for the updates that were released, I never said anything to the contrary.
However, the fact that semi-consistent updates were promised and not delivered after a point is the main problem here.
You see, the two main arguments presented in relation to games such as terraria and their post-release support, are either the 'You got the updates for free so be happy' view or the 'I bought it so I deserve more updates'
I may be paraphrasing those to a point, but you get the general idea. Belief in a lack of responsibility for support vs. entitlement.
Merely wanting the promised support to actually manifest is more the issue, rather than the entitlement that comes with paying for a game that comes with a finite amount of content and wanting more.
Also, I bolded that so people wouldn't bring it up, because people have a tendency to skim over text, only really reading bits that are bolded/at the start or ends of posts.
I also got from reading that he may have believed that redigit was a dev on starbound. I apologise if this was not the case.
Anyway, this is unrelated to Starbound for the most part, and would ideally be continued in a terraria thread of some kind.
[QUOTE=Kumagoro;37370510]Even if Starbound gets not-much post-release care (which it shouldn't), the modding scene should flourish, since the engine is built with moddability in mind.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean "which it shouldn't"? Why should they drop support for the game once it's out?
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;37371855]What do you mean "which it shouldn't"? Why should they drop support for the game once it's out?[/QUOTE]
I think he means it shouldn't get not much post release care.
In other words, it should get post release care.
[QUOTE=Pokey McFork;37371866]I think he means it shouldn't get not much post release care.
In other words, it should get post release care.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I thought he meant it shouldn't get support.
Yeah I wrote that in a fairly confusing manner :v:
but thats how everyone does it on the internet, how else are we supposed to debate and argue about something that isn't political/religion/celebrity X vs. celebrity Y.
i hope there will be friendly planets with an actual civilization that you can land down on to trade and shit
every planet being remote would be kinda weird
I still wish the planet exploration thing was a map than a dropdown menu, that way i can spam mass effect music.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/e9UB7.png[/img]
that dirt reminds me so much of terraria.
that said, it kinda looks like minecraft cocoa beans
[QUOTE=Eeshton;37393600]that dirt reminds me so much of terraria.
that said, it kinda looks like minecraft cocoa beans[/QUOTE] maybe its a planet made of candy!
[QUOTE=Xilo;37393800]maybe its a planet made of candy![/QUOTE]
[Img]http://adambowker.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/candyland1.jpg[/Img]
???
[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/2ngu2k9.jpg[/IMG]
?
edit: so a world made of poo
From OmnipotentEntity:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PjWuy.jpg[/img]
So many toilets, and why is that sofa on a little island.
It also looks like monsters have a hp bar above their heads.
Oh god the paintings.
Random monster from Rhopunzel
[img]http://i.imgur.com/vGNM5.png[/img]
[QUOTE=InUndenial;37394003][Img]http://adambowker.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/candyland1.jpg[/Img]
???[/QUOTE]
"Hello there mister green! Welcome to my kingdom, so very nice to revive you!"
"Oh hi king candy."
"Would you like a piece of candy or perhaps a rub job?"
"W-what?"
"Get into my dungeon, you've won."
And that's how I was raped by candyland.
[QUOTE=benji2015;37396761]From OmnipotentEntity:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PjWuy.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Image no longer available, what was it?
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