[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;36619955]Um, the antagonist of the American Revolution WAS the British Empire...why is it at all surprising that you'll be killing more redcoats?
Why do people give a shit?
It's obviously not just a story about the Assassin's but also the story of the birth of a new nation under completely "radical" ideals of the time. It's during this time period that there began a new method of thinking and understanding among a citizen's/nation's rights. Political and social understandings changed dramatically, so much so that eventually America became that beacon through history as the "land of opportunity".
It also inspired the French Revolution.
So the point is, it's important that you capture the impact of this revolution from the perspective of the ones that actually started it. The American Revolution isn't just the backdrop for the game because the ideas probably encompass a lot of similar ideals of the Assassin's fraternity as well. Plus, it makes good drama when someone we consider "good" goes "bad", if you know what I mean.
Oh and to the Colonists, the British were practically Nazis. They're mindset was the same imperialistic bullshit from hundred of years of conquest around the world; Exploit resources for the sake of the British Empire, regardless of anyone else. They practically ruled the world, after all.[/QUOTE]
Did you just use the term antagonist when talking about a war? Please just never talk again.
Also the Colonials aren't meant to be the heroes here, Conner is.
The point is that Ubisoft keep claiming that we kill Americans as well yet we have been given no proof of such. I wouldn't mind if Ubisoft just came out and said "OK we were lying you only kill redcoats" but at every press event it's "Y-yeah you k-kill Americans as well". At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that you only kill a single American General or something similar in a cut scene just so that they could say that. And I know they're trying to appeal to Americans as that's one of their biggest audiences but they haven't even released a trailer online with such footage.
Even at E3 when they got asked live on the stage if you got to kill Americans instead of just redcoats they said some shit about Templars being the enemy and didn't answer the question.
AC1 did it well by being totally neutral toward the crusaders and the muslims, I don't see why they wouldn't do it there.
[QUOTE=Takuat;36620279]Did you just use the term antagonist when talking about a war? Please just never talk again.[/QUOTE]
Yes, antagonists for the American Revolution. Unless you think the revolution wasn't justified with regards to the British mentality/attitude toward the colonies. That'd be some nice revisionist history.
[quote]Also the Colonials aren't meant to be the heroes here, Conner is.[/quote]
Not really. This game isn't about Connor [B]winning the American revolution[/B]. He's an outside party looking in and we get that understanding from the E3 trailer. How he plays each side is still under wraps.
[quote]The point is that Ubisoft keep claiming that we kill Americans as well yet we have been given no proof of such. I wouldn't mind if Ubisoft just came out and said "OK we were lying you only kill redcoats" but at every press event it's "Y-yeah you k-kill Americans as well". At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that you only kill a single American General or something similar in a cut scene just so that they could say that. And I know they're trying to appeal to Americans as that's one of their biggest audiences but they haven't even released a trailer online with such footage.[/quote]
They've been showcasing the same single level for months now and because that mission happens to have redcoats as the primary enemy, you suddenly think that the whole scope of the game is purely killing British? Since when has an AC game given any serious bias toward a single faction? Are we being this dense on purpose or what? The game has a lot left to show and most of it we probably won't see until the game is actually released.
Trying to cater to the American audience?...What? They've had like the last 4 games to appeal to American audiences (AC sells quite well in North America, by the way) and suddenly it's they're last game you're saying they're trying to cater to a specific audience? Can you actually prove that or did you pull that out of your ass? With regards to the decision for even being in the North American theater (since that was controversial too for some reason), the first game Desmond was a bartender from [B]New York[/B]. Revelations revealed that some sort of significant vault is also in New York. The game's coming full circle for Desmond's story.
I don't think I've seen any AC game garner this much "controversy" before. I find it sad that just because America is involved in the game rather significantly, that suddenly it's a big deal. What a stigma, you guys make some crazy assumptions.
[QUOTE=Takuat;36620279]Did you just use the term antagonist when talking about a war? Please just never talk again.
Also the Colonials aren't meant to be the heroes here, Conner is.[/QUOTE]
In terms of the story and promotional work it makes sense to present a clear and defined antagonist. Given that Conner will be working with a number of the Founding Fathers and prominent figures at the time, it would be confusing-- from a promotional aspect-- to display a trailer that shows you killing Rebels even though you will be working with them. In game, however, you get all the story details about why certain characters need to die and whatnot.
Take the cinematic trailer for instance. Its supposed to give the viewer a good idea of what to expect in the game. It showed us the wide-open battles we'll witness, the combat, the fact that Washington is an ally to Conner, and that we're still fighting Templars-- most importantly is that Conner was there for the Templar. What, do you need Conner killing a Rebel out of nowhere just to convince you that it can be done in game?
[QUOTE=Takuat;36620279]The point is that Ubisoft keep claiming that we kill Americans as well yet we have been given no proof of such. I wouldn't mind if Ubisoft just came out and said "OK we were lying you only kill redcoats" but at every press event it's "Y-yeah you k-kill Americans as well". At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that you only kill a single American General or something similar in a cut scene just so that they could say that. [/QUOTE]
You do realize that the game takes place over the course of several years-- before, during, and after the War of Independence. That being said, every city that you visit will not be occupied by British troops throughout the entire game. You can bet there's going to be moments where you're going to have to get through a couple Rebels to kill your target (Which has been the case of every game thus far-- since the Assassins are the neutral party of these conflicts). Not to mention that in the game's mythology the United States-- specifically-- is mostly run by Templars. Meaning, this game shows the birth of the Templars larger grasp on the world and their change in tactics and Connor's willing/unwilling hand it all.
Oh and there's this that I posted a few pages back:
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;36272650]Charles Lee, an American general during the Revolutionary War, is appearing in the the game. There is a screenshot of him holding a young Connor by the neck against a tree. He looks like he's being made as one of the main antagonists and possibly responsible for the death of Connor's people. Given Connor's mission to seek justice, he's probably going after Lee at some point in the game. To do that, he's most likely going to have to get through some American Rebels first.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Takuat;36620279]And I know they're trying to appeal to Americans as that's one of their biggest audiences but they haven't even released a trailer online with such footage.[/QUOTE]
I've heard this argument a lot, or perhaps I've seen you say it a lot, and frankly it makes no sense. It's an inaccurate supposition fueled by your own bias. It makes no sense that now, when they have released four other games each with good reviews and sales all around and are on their final game in this story arc, they suddenly change the entire dynamic of their series to make it American-centric to appeal to one audience. You fail to consider the historical context of the Revolution and what it means/could mean for the Assassin's Creed series.
But, really, we would all just have to see how the game plays out to make a proper judgment on these things, I guess.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;36618841]They seem to be forgetting the whole Templar are the enemy thing... Why all the British hate :([/QUOTE]
stop bitching
[QUOTE=JerryK;36620860]stop bitching[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware that that was bitching, it was stating a fact about every single trailer they've released.
no it's still bitching
[QUOTE=JerryK;36621104]no it's still bitching[/QUOTE]
you are bitching about my bitching then?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;36620170]Britain was pretty nice to you guys considering. They just spent a fortune defending you from the French and Indians and thus made you pay some taxes. Taxes which were 1/20th of what homeland Brits were paying.
Then there's the whole Boston Massacre situation...
Britain was not Nazi Germany and in reality the Revolution was not about morals or even ideology. Britain messed up by thinking that the Colonies didn't deserve representation in Parliament and thus the Americans revolted. The taxes weren't the problem, it was the fact that they weren't given any say in making them.[/QUOTE]
A lot of "taxes" actually lowered taxes but cracked down on smuggling and commerce. That pissed off the merchant class to no end.
Then there was the stamp act which affected everybody of all classes, that was one of the few that actually raised a tax.
The trailer does address legitimate grievances that the colonists did experience. Especially the farmer's "I won't feed an Empire a world away" and the lawmaker's "When I say no to a law we never voted for".
[QUOTE=Webby2020;36621146]A lot of "taxes" actually lowered taxes but cracked down on smuggling and commerce. That pissed off the merchant class to no end.
Then there was the stamp act which affected everybody of all classes, that was one of the few that actually raised a tax.[/QUOTE]
Parliament got rid of the stamp tax pretty quickly didn't it?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;36621170]Parliament got rid of the stamp tax pretty quickly didn't it?[/QUOTE]
Lol Parliament didn't give half a shit what it did to the colonies.
They probably didn't even know that we were pissed off since you know, we didn't have any representation in parliament.
They ignored all the petitions we sent for years leading up to the declaration of independence.
[QUOTE=Webby2020;36621197]Lol Parliament didn't give half a shit what it did to the colonies.
They probably didn't even know that we were pissed off since you know, we didn't have any representation in parliament.
They ignored all the petitions we sent for years leading up to the declaration of independence.[/QUOTE]
The Stamp Act of 1765 was repealed by Parliament but there were other taxes that continued on. But yes, the Americans weren't given representation and that is why they got pissed off.
It was a whole lot more than just taxes, like forcing people to house soldiers in their personal homes.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;36620694]I've heard this argument a lot, or perhaps I've seen you say it a lot, and frankly it makes no sense. It's an inaccurate supposition fueled by your own bias. It makes no sense that now, when they have released four other games each with good reviews and sales all around and are on their final game in this story arc, they suddenly change the entire dynamic of their series to make it American-centric to appeal to one audience. You fail to consider the historical context of the Revolution and what it means/could mean for the Assassin's Creed series.
But, really, we would all just have to see how the game plays out to make a proper judgment on these things, I guess.[/QUOTE]
Uh, ACIII is their final game ? Was that stated somewhere, am I missing something ?
[QUOTE=_Axel;36623427]Uh, ACIII is their final game ? Was that stated somewhere, am I missing something ?[/QUOTE]
Did you miss where I said "...In this story arc."? It's been stated that this is the final game in Desmond's story.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;36621123]you are bitching about my bitching then?[/QUOTE]
ya, now shutup
I always thought the final game in the trilogy would be in the modern day playing as Desmond.
For those wondering what the LE goodies look like:
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_BeltBuckle.jpg[/img]
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_Connor_3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_Flag.jpg[/img]
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_LEPack.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Webby2020;36621146]A lot of "taxes" actually lowered taxes but cracked down on smuggling and commerce. That pissed off the merchant class to no end.
Then there was the stamp act which affected everybody of all classes, that was one of the few that actually raised a tax.
The trailer does address legitimate grievances that the colonists did experience. Especially the farmer's "I won't feed an Empire a world away" and the lawmaker's "When I say no to a law we never voted for".[/QUOTE]
The Brits tried a lot of tax methods because of the uproar each one caused, the colonies at the time were pretty fucking entitled when it came for paying a debt they owed Britain in the French Indian war (something that was not even started by the British but the colony themselves).
[URL="http://www.redcoat.me.uk"]www.redcoat.me.uk[/URL]
There is a lot of forgotton facts about the war. As far as I am even aware the Brits don't mind the revolution - its being slandered and called tyrants over trying to appease tax dodgers that bothers them. The irony of the entire war though was taxes shot up more so than British imports.
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I think indirectly the trailer also mocked American education system.
Holy shit, are we really going to argue over the American Revolution?
"THE BRITISH WERE TYRANTS"
"MAN, THEY TREATED YOU LIKE GOLD"
"SHITTY GOLD"
"YEAH WELL YOU TURNED IT SHITTY"
Jesus fuck just play some ACII
It's good
Have FUN
It's a game
gosh
I agree, the theme of the game is a bit too American, but who cares as long as it's fun to play?
[QUOTE=Zircon_;36629904]I agree, the theme of the game is a bit too American, but who cares as long as it's fun to play?[/QUOTE]
How is it "too American" when it takes place before America was a thing.
that live action trailer annoys me.
it screams "YOU CAN START SCREAMING ALL NERDY NOW WE'RE GONNA USE SLOW MOTION AND WEAK MELODRAMATIC LIVE ACTION SHIT IN A VIDEO GAME COMMERCIAL, AGAIN!"
then it's all like "rise hur dur" at the end like some audience somewhere is supposed to be applauding.
watch it ubi, you're gettin real fuckin full of yourself.
[editline]5th July 2012[/editline]
and can someone tell me why we're so interested in figurines that break when you touch them and other useless shit?
why can't we just get the fucking game and be happy with it.
why are you so angry
[QUOTE=Raidyr;36629925]How is it "too American" when it takes place before America was a thing.[/QUOTE]
it's a bit too 13 colonies
[QUOTE=Tortekr;36626892]For those wondering what the LE goodies look like:
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_BeltBuckle.jpg[/img]
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_Connor_3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_Flag.jpg[/img]
[img]http://zoknowsgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AC3105_LE_Render_LEPack.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I don't think i'd go for that. I'll stick with the Join or Die edition, then when it comes out, i'm buying a ton of snacks to eat.
Question is whether I will do an all nighter.. I remember my last playthrough of the AC games I decided to play a bit, have a break, play some more the day after, etc.
Play in one go or play bits to make it last over a longer period?
I don't have money for ACIII editions anymore due to life actually requiring money now.
Dammit why did I apply for school 16 months ago...
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