Max Payne Series - Megathread - Games

It's weird, the more I've got into the game and the more Max hints at not fearing death and such. It makes me play with less fear for some reason.

[QUOTE=Hellborg 65;36021021]I would rather have found thst out myself, please spoiler tag it.[/QUOTE] The game just came out, if you're trying to avoid spoilers, I wouldn't recommend prowling an online thread regarding it. Also, that's not even a spoiler. Max just goes "I contemplated putting a bullet in my brain." in his narration. It's nothing big or dramatic. As for the 'glad he's dying soon', that was poor wording on my part. I mean whenever he gets into a situation where he's being shot at, his narration says that he's eager for it, and appears disappointed at some points that he made it out alive. The story is really badly written.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36020640]He obviously isn't afraid of that either though, since he throws himself into situations so that he can save people and be a hero again. You guys are really over analyzing and trying to tack on excuses for bad writing. I went through a long period in my life with clinical depression, and generally once I did fine for years I didn't crash back down as a alcohol-ridden pill-popping mess. Especially since it's shown that Max was never much of a drinker. They were just trying to be dark and make players feel concerned. It was shoehorned in, and made absolutely no sense concerning the first two games. Max was doing way better in 2. He hardly even mentioned his wife and daughter because, while it still was heavy on him, he was able to keep a grip on himself and his grief. He could avoid falling apart. Not because of his 'friend' Vlad, who he was never really much of a friend with anyways, or Mona, who he thought was dead before the events of the second game. I can get Max still being sad, but Max suddenly being suicidal and a complete wreck over a matter that the other games already explored and offered closure to is just lazy on the part of Rockstar.[/QUOTE] Your wife, infant daughter and love interest didn't die.

Played it. Loved it. Will go back for seconds.

Realistically, if you have spent your whole life killing people, being shot at, as well as losing your wifie and kid, killing your collague, losing mona, having her come back, lose her again, at some point, you are just going to want to get drunk. Alcohol is a form of escapism, to escape reality, so its not hard to figure out why he would get drunk.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36020640]He obviously isn't afraid of that either though, since he throws himself into situations so that he can save people and be a hero again. You guys are really over analyzing and trying to tack on excuses for bad writing. I went through a long period in my life with clinical depression, and generally once I did fine for years I didn't crash back down as a alcohol-ridden pill-popping mess. Especially since it's shown that Max was never much of a drinker. They were just trying to be dark and make players feel concerned. It was shoehorned in, and made absolutely no sense concerning the first two games. Max was doing way better in 2. He hardly even mentioned his wife and daughter because, while it still was heavy on him, he was able to keep a grip on himself and his grief. He could avoid falling apart. Not because of his 'friend' Vlad, who he was never really much of a friend with anyways, or Mona, who he thought was dead before the events of the second game. I can get Max still being sad, but Max suddenly being suicidal and a complete wreck over a matter that the other games already explored and offered closure to is just lazy on the part of Rockstar.[/QUOTE] Just because he throws himself into situations to save others, doesn't mean he doesn't fear life, after all, he is an alcoholic with an addiction to popping pills, stuff to get him away from life. Seems quite a fear. Clinical depression hits everyone differently. I've been suffering it on and off for 4 years now. Started to feel I was fine nearer the beginning of the year, but it came back and hit me bad last month. All I personally wanted to do was sit in a dark room and drink. Again, personal choice. In this, he's clearly hit a mid life crisis. He's realising that the only person he has ever been able to protect in his life is himself, and he even does a pretty shit job at that. And you cant just simply have closure to some events of life. I'm pretty sure walking in on your wife and child being murdered would be one of those events. Personally really enjoying the game. Although it lacks some of the wit from the first two games, I personally think Rockstar have done a good job at continuing the franchise. Multiplayer is a hell of a lot better than I would ever have imagined, though as with all Rockstar games at launch, there seems to be a few problems here and there.

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;36021527]Your wife, infant daughter and love interest didn't die.[/QUOTE] He doesn't give a shit about mona, god damn, he says so during the game. He really doesn't care about that. Like I said, I get him being sad about his infant daughter and wife, but it's been, what, thirteen years now? He says in the game that she's been dead longer than he even knew her. At that point, people tend to get over it, or at least recover to a degree. I mean holy shit, like I keep saying, at the end of Max Payne 2 he says basically everything is fucked up but he's more at peace with it now. He wasn't a drunken wreck after his wife and daughter died, so now all of the sudden, thirteen years later, he's circling the drain? It's like you guys haven't played the game. The game makes it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he is depressed over his wife and child. Nothing else. He's not upset over Vlad, he's not upset over Mona, he's not upset over Winterson. He's upset about his wife and kid, and that's why he's drinking, and that's why he's popping pills. I mean, they even bring up the 'mid life crisis' thing and Max dismisses it. There is no deeper reason for his depression other than "my wife and child are dead", and coming off of the last two games, it makes absolutely no sense.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36020640]Especially since it's shown that Max was never much of a drinker.[/QUOTE] You seem to be forgetting that Max's answering machine in Max Payne 2 in his apartment had Bravura asking Max to come to AA with him (Not called that but implied), so he clearly was an alcoholic by the time of Max Payne 2.

[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;36022215]You seem to be forgetting that Max's answering machine in Max Payne 2 in his apartment had Bravura asking Max to come to AA with him (Not called that but implied), so he clearly was an alcoholic by the time of Max Payne 2.[/QUOTE] Wasn't that just because Bravura suspected him of being an alcoholic?

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36021983]He doesn't give a shit about mona, god damn, he says so during the game. He really doesn't care about that. Like I said, I get him being sad about his infant daughter and wife, but it's been, what, thirteen years now? He says in the game that she's been dead longer than he even knew her. At that point, people tend to get over it, or at least recover to a degree. I mean holy shit, like I keep saying, at the end of Max Payne 2 he says basically everything is fucked up but he's more at peace with it now. He wasn't a drunken wreck after his wife and daughter died, so now all of the sudden, thirteen years later, he's circling the drain? It's like you guys haven't played the game. The game makes it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he is depressed over his wife and child. Nothing else. He's not upset over Vlad, he's not upset over Mona, he's not upset over Winterson. He's upset about his wife and kid, and that's why he's drinking, and that's why he's popping pills. I mean, they even bring up the 'mid life crisis' thing and Max dismisses it. There is no deeper reason for his depression other than "my wife and child are dead", and coming off of the last two games, it makes absolutely no sense.[/QUOTE] To be fare, he does mention losing family more then once... I wonder what other family max got then hes wife and kid? Ghrm... "Mona"?

[QUOTE=akku95;36022388]To be fare, he does mention losing family more then once... I wonder what other family max got then hes wife and kid? Ghrm... "Mona"?[/QUOTE] He specifically says in-game that Mona didn't mean that much to him. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=QueenSasha24;36022215]You seem to be forgetting that Max's answering machine in Max Payne 2 in his apartment had Bravura asking Max to come to AA with him (Not called that but implied), so he clearly was an alcoholic by the time of Max Payne 2.[/QUOTE] Actually it's just because Bravura suspected he was an alcoholic, from how distant he was and how he kept fucking up. He doesn't say that Max is an alcoholic, nor does anyone else, nor is there even evidence to suggest he is.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36022403]He specifically says in-game that Mona didn't mean that much to him. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] Actually it's just because Bravura suspected he was an alcoholic, from how distant he was and how he kept fucking up. He doesn't say that Max is an alcoholic, nor does anyone else, nor is there even evidence to suggest he is.[/QUOTE] I really cant recall that... I might have missed it, around what time did this happen?

I must admit, that while I love this game, some of the pop-up words during cutscenes are REALLY pointless. I just had "stripper" and "cake" flash up on the screen, one after another. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] Dammit, rented this from the Redbox, which only rents out one disk, and I just finished disk one. This is the worst cliffhanger I've ever been left on.

[QUOTE=akku95;36022427]I really cant recall that... I might have missed it, around what time did this happen?[/QUOTE] Which part? Max says that Mona didn't mean much to him during the Graveyard sequence. He passes it off as a fling of grief, and that he had 'gotten over it'. The second part is from Max Payne 2, when you find the station where the Cleaners have been monitoring you from, they have Max's answering machine messages recorded, and one of them is Jim Bravura accusing Max of being an alcoholic and inviting him to AA.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36021983]He doesn't give a shit about mona, god damn, he says so during the game. He really doesn't care about that. Like I said, I get him being sad about his infant daughter and wife, but it's been, what, thirteen years now? He says in the game that she's been dead longer than he even knew her. At that point, people tend to get over it, or at least recover to a degree. I mean holy shit, like I keep saying, at the end of Max Payne 2 he says basically everything is fucked up but he's more at peace with it now. He wasn't a drunken wreck after his wife and daughter died, so now all of the sudden, thirteen years later, he's circling the drain? It's like you guys haven't played the game. The game makes it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he is depressed over his wife and child. Nothing else. He's not upset over Vlad, he's not upset over Mona, he's not upset over Winterson. He's upset about his wife and kid, and that's why he's drinking, and that's why he's popping pills. I mean, they even bring up the 'mid life crisis' thing and Max dismisses it. There is no deeper reason for his depression other than "my wife and child are dead", and coming off of the last two games, it makes absolutely no sense.[/QUOTE] Mate, he [B][I][U]Obviously cared[/U][/I][/B] because he still thinks about her, the game is also Max Payne, Max Payne is someone who speaks in metaphors and lies to himself in order to keep going and doing whatever the fuck he does, usually killing, waiting for the right bullet to end him. You can't take a literal meaning from his words.

I feel kind of sad with this game. It feels more like a preview for GTA5 than a real Max Payne game. It's still a really good game, it's just not what I wanted it to be.

Based on what I've read, I'd say Max isn't only depressed from his family dying - it's also due to everything else dying around him, too. He's completely powerless - bad shit keeps happening, and when it even starts to look better, it just falls apart - anything he opens up to gets hurt or killed constantly, sooner or later, like Vlad, Mona, Jim, Winterson... I mean, if it came to the point where the only way to keep your life from getting worse was to keep it perpetually shitty, after everything that's happened, at least when you've hit rock bottom, you can only go up from there - there's always that chance.

[QUOTE=Links;36023619]Based on what I've read, I'd say Max isn't only depressed from his family dying - it's also due to everything else dying around him, too. He's completely powerless - bad shit keeps happening, and when it even starts to look better, it just falls apart - anything he opens up to gets hurt or killed constantly, sooner or later, like Vlad, Mona, Jim, Winterson... I mean, if it came to the point where the only way to keep your life from getting worse was to keep it perpetually shitty, after everything that's happened, at least when you've hit rock bottom, you can only go up from there - there's always that chance.[/QUOTE] [sp]By the end of the game he's kind of accepted that the best he can do is go into a building of bad guys and leave once they're all dead.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Nemisis116;36016923]Max Payne 3 is annoying me I've been playing on the 360 for about 10 hours maybe more and I only have about 4 achievements. What the arse.[/QUOTE] oh look, a game that doesn't just chuck achievements at you for menial things and people get annoyed because they aren't actually achieving jack shit, and not being rewarded just for playing it in the first place. whelp, i'm late by a long shot on that one

[QUOTE=dark_console2;36023543]Mate, he [B][I][U]Obviously cared[/U][/I][/B] because he still thinks about her, the game is also Max Payne, Max Payne is someone who speaks in metaphors and lies to himself in order to keep going and doing whatever the fuck he does, usually killing, waiting for the right bullet to end him. You can't take a literal meaning from his words.[/QUOTE] What? Max has never just blatantly lied to himself during the games. He's been quite honest with himself, actually. He doesn't speak in metaphors in Max Payne 3, that's for damn sure. He mentions Mona because he's talking about his wife and what's been happening since she's gone. He sure seems to have a healthy obsession with helping those girls he's paid to protect, even after [sp]he isn't being paid anymore[/sp], yet he obviously doesn't have some deep love for her. Just because someone is in your thoughts doesn't mean you have some deep affection for them. Holy shit why are people who obviously haven't played the game chiming in on the discussion anyways? Max says in his narration that the only reason he's sad is that his wife and daughter are dead. End of story. If you want to go and say "well max was obviously lying!!!" then you can say a shitload about his person. All we have to go off of is his narration, and in this case it's never even implied to be untrue, nor is it ever contradicted by anything. Goddamn people really want to make excuses for Rockstar's weak writing, don't they?

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;36023639][sp]By the end of the game he's kind of accepted that the best he can do is go into a building of bad guys and leave once they're all dead.[/sp][/QUOTE] Hahaha, I really want to read your response, but I'm afraid it'll spoil Max Payne 3 for myself.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36023804]What? Max has never just blatantly lied to himself during the games. He's been quite honest with himself, actually. He doesn't speak in metaphors in Max Payne 3, that's for damn sure. He mentions Mona because he's talking about his wife and what's been happening since she's gone. He sure seems to have a healthy obsession with helping those girls he's paid to protect, even after [s]he isn't being paid anymore[/s], yet he obviously doesn't have some deep love for her. Just because someone is in your thoughts doesn't mean you have some deep affection for them. Holy shit why are people who obviously haven't played the game chiming in on the discussion anyways? Max says in his narration that the only reason he's sad is that his wife and daughter are dead. End of story. If you want to go and say "well max was obviously lying!!!" then you can say a shitload about his person. All we have to go off of is his narration, and in this case it's never even implied to be untrue, nor is it ever contradicted by anything. Goddamn people really want to make excuses for Rockstar's weak writing, don't they?[/QUOTE] Yeah I have to agree with this, if max was lying to himself i'm sure he'd be lying to himself about his addictions rather than the girls, his narration actually makes him seem extremely comfortable with his addiction, like he's used to his problems and doesn't care to do anything to get rid of them [sp]until like the third part of the game[/sp], which really says a lot about his character.

[QUOTE=Links;36023806]Hahaha, I really want to read your response, but I'm afraid it'll spoil Max Payne 3 for myself.[/QUOTE] You probably will, it's basically his plan, and I use the word lightly, for the last couple of acts in the game.

I don't if it has been said, but while playing the multiplayer it annoys me when you think a guy is almost dead and then out of no where he gains his health back. Other than that i really enjoy the games multiplayer.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36023804]What? Max has never just blatantly lied to himself during the games. He's been quite honest with himself, actually. He doesn't speak in metaphors in Max Payne 3, that's for damn sure. He mentions Mona because he's talking about his wife and what's been happening since she's gone. He sure seems to have a healthy obsession with helping those girls he's paid to protect, even after [sp]he isn't being paid anymore[/sp], yet he obviously doesn't have some deep love for her. Just because someone is in your thoughts doesn't mean you have some deep affection for them. Holy shit why are people who obviously haven't played the game chiming in on the discussion anyways? Max says in his narration that the only reason he's sad is that his wife and daughter are dead. End of story. If you want to go and say "well max was obviously lying!!!" then you can say a shitload about his person. All we have to go off of is his narration, and in this case it's never even implied to be untrue, nor is it ever contradicted by anything. Goddamn people really want to make excuses for Rockstar's weak writing, don't they?[/QUOTE] I'd argue you haven't played the game mate and have no understanding of film, literal and interpretive techniques. His narration speaks of text book depression, regret, sorrow, anger and a great deal of left over emotion. I didn't say blatantly lied, you're putting words in here to bolster your argument, Max is a drug addict and an alcoholic, he kids himself into believing that nothing gets better and resigns himself to the same day in day out routine, hock bills; knock back whiskey. He enjoys this, that's his way of forgetting everything that's happened to him over the course of the games. Lets take the quote 'This is love. When someone drags you from the wreckage when you have given in, ready to just lie there and die. This is love. When someone, no matter what the cost, shows you there is hope, a choice, that you can put down your gun. This is love. Love hurts.' This is directed towards Mona, someone he is clearly in love with. Let's not forget the cover art of Max Payne 2 [IMG]http://www.game-ost.com/static/covers_soundtracks/844_932039.jpg[/IMG] Lets take a look at this nifty piece of imagery here too from Max Payne 2. [IMG]http://www.newcelebritweets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/1302082453-72.jpg[/IMG] And the quote leading into the certain scene. '"The things that I want", by Max Payne. A smoke. A whiskey. For the sun to shine. I want to sleep to forget. To change the past. My wife and baby girl back. Unlimited ammo and a license to kill. Right then, more than anything, I wanted her.' Also' 'You'd have to be a first-degree fool to fall for a woman who returns from the dead only to put a gun to your face. And, 'She was beautiful. I hated her for making me feel this way.' And finally, 'It was almost morning, waking up from the American Dream. We are willing to suffer, to die for the things we care about. For love, for the right choices, Because of her, I had solved the case. My case. All of it. Who I am. Is it worth it? Saying that it never is would be a lie. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes, something good comes out of it. Something you know you wouldn't deserve in a million years. Something that gives you a reason to go on. So please mate, don't change the direction of your argument, start adding words to peoples comments to bolster your own and most importantly, do some research.

I like how you're only citing things from the first a second game and completely misunderstanding me. Rockstar obviously didn't like Mona. They go out of their way to say that Max didn't really like her. I'm saying that was bad writing and was really dumb, continuity wise. I agree that Max was totally in love with her, but like I said before, Rockstar made it canon that Max wasn't in love with her, so that's that. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] I mean seriously read my post, when in the name of fuck did I ever say that Max Payne 1 and 2 were wrong, or that I never played them? I was complaining that Rockstar trampled over continuity regarding Max Payne 3 by saying that Max didn't love Mona.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36024241]I like how you're only citing things from the first a second game and completely misunderstanding me. Rockstar obviously didn't like Mona. They go out of their way to say that Max didn't really like her. I'm saying that was bad writing and was really dumb, continuity wise. I agree that Max was totally in love with her, but like I said before, Rockstar made it canon that Max wasn't in love with her, so that's that. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] I mean seriously read my post, when in the name of fuck did I ever say that Max Payne 1 and 2 were wrong, or that I never played them? I was complaining that Rockstar trampled over continuity regarding Max Payne 3 by saying that Max didn't love Mona.[/QUOTE] You're not very coherent with your commenting and seem to jump all over the place, I wouldn't have commented back if I supported what you were saying, please rate me dumb some more.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;36024241] I mean seriously read my post, when in the name of fuck did I ever say that Max Payne 1 and 2 were wrong, or that I never played them? I was complaining that Rockstar trampled over continuity regarding Max Payne 3 by saying that Max didn't love Mona.[/QUOTE] [quote=]It's like you guys haven't played the game. The game makes it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he is depressed over his wife and child. Nothing else. He's not upset over Vlad, he's not upset over Mona, he's not upset over Winterson. He's upset about his wife and kid, and that's why he's drinking, and that's why he's popping pills.[/quote] Rockstar never made that canon. There is one passing reference to Mona in the beginning where max shrugs her off, but did you watch all the TV's? There's a commercial voiced by Mona which causes Max to get distraught and say a few words that don't support your position. If you care enough to prove to yourself that you're right, happy hunting! Not to mention that little bit where max mentions he's lost people he loved, [I]"multiple times"[/I], when talking to Pasos in Hoboken. Max clearly still cares about her. In terms of other characters Max is definitely upset over Winterson, and I would argue he is upset over Vlad for different reasons. I'm not sure if you remember but there is a line referring to Winterson where Max says something along the lines of "I killed the cop I should've been". [QUOTE=Grim Joker;36024241] Rockstar obviously didn't like Mona. They go out of their way to say that Max didn't really like her. I'm saying that was bad writing and was really dumb, continuity wise.[/QUOTE] Rockstar didn't have a grudge against mona, they just wanted to keep the character out of the spotlight because of the MP2 canon vs. DOA endings. Her absence in any specific character development going on within Max was intentional to [I]prevent[/I] continuity errors. Also, I don't think listening to the words of an alcoholic drug addict attempting to hold some illusion of control by detaching himself from the events of his second downward spiral is the most credible set of dialogue to decide that Max doesn't miss Mona verbatim. This is a game based on the theme of addiction. Addiction to violence, to painkillers, to scotch, whiskey, and grief. The reason max is suddenly going down the drain after such a long time is the catalyst of events within the second game. After mp2 max was labeled a psychopath and kicked off the force. His life is a mess. He's going to focus on what he's done within the confines of his own head. [quote= Guess who\]Goddamn people really want to make excuses for Rockstar's weak writing, don't they?[/quote] Rockstar sent the script over to Lake for confirmation. They got his blessing for a reason. You can believe what you want, but arguing for two pages while implying everyone else an idiot doesn't make your point seem more valid.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;36023613]I feel kind of sad with this game. It feels more like a preview for GTA5 than a real Max Payne game. It's still a really good game, it's just not what I wanted it to be.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't quite say that, but I do agree that pretty much everything about the game screams "THIS WAS MADE BY ROCKSTAR". Max's true place is killing mobsters in the streets of New York.

35 Gb? Are you fucking kidding me?