Goose's Faction Server 2 - Go Away Popillil Edition - Games

Nothing you say ever has any iota of genuineness to it, it all just sounds like bullshit and excuse making to me.

[QUOTE=Ryjinn;37621405]Since when is testing "combat effectiveness" possible on an unmanned vessel? An unmanned tnt cannon is as effective in combat as a block of dirt. You're so full of shit it makes my head spin.[/QUOTE] But a TNT cannon is effective on a stole building like a fire charge cannon is as effective on a wooden structure? It doesn't exactly work on natural objects.

[QUOTE=Rageblood;37621477]But a TNT cannon is effective on a stole building like a fire charge cannon is as effective on a wooden structure? It doesn't exactly work on natural objects.[/QUOTE] Boats are made of wood and wood catches on fire. What a great scientific contribution your dickery contributed to the world. No one could have figured that one out before.

Rageblood you said you did no direct attack or caused any damage via TNT. dude you stole our boat, burned down our WIP boat and then utterly destroyed our farms, the only thing keeping you from "attacking" us was that you did it while we were offline. Do not justify what you did, there was no basis and anything you got as a result was justified.

[QUOTE=Eeshton;37621563]Rageblood you said you did no direct attack or caused any damage via TNT. dude you stole our boat, burned down our WIP boat and then utterly destroyed our farms, the only thing keeping you from "attacking" us was that you did it while we were offline. Do not justify what you did, there was no basis and anything you got as a result was justified.[/QUOTE] You claimed poorly for the boat and the farm, but none of the destruction was at faction land. So technically it was nobody's boat nor farm.

[QUOTE=Rageblood;37621601]You claimed poorly for the boat and the farm, but none of the destruction was at faction land. So technically it was nobody's boat nor farm.[/QUOTE] This exact kind of reasoning is why people want you banned. You have such a black and white bullshit view that says as long as it is not strictly against the rules it is a-okay.

K bye rage. You're still not getting the point and your arguments are actually giving me [I]more[/I] reason to not let you back in. I don't want you around anymore. Sorry it had to end like this. And for the record, the fact that this is happening [I]after[/I] the attack is a coincidence. Believe what you want, but the reason this is happening is because Bulet (the one who stuck his neck out for you) is actually regretting the fact that he talked me into whitelisting you.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;37621676]K bye rage. You're still not getting the point and your arguments are actually giving me [I]more[/I] reason to not let you back in. I don't want you around anymore. Sorry it had to end like this. And for the record, the fact that this is happening [I]after[/I] the attack is a coincidence. Believe what you want, but the reason this is happening is because Bulet (the one who stuck his neck out for you) is actually regretting the fact that he talked me into whitelisting you.[/QUOTE] Yet Bulet was the one who planted TNT under Ironhorde and then blew it up. So why am I getting a different punishment than him?

[QUOTE=Rageblood;37621366]It was destructive and it served a point. It tested the combat effectiveness of boats. Then why did all of this happen [i]after[/i] I attacked Ironcross and Ironhorde? But did I really do anything illegal? And I tested out the combat effectiveness of boats, they claimed shitty too. What about Mir'Vall port? What about the new prosperity in my faction when the third base was constructed? How about SuperDiau? What about the new export of wool, wood, and books that my faction is working on My faction is progressing quickly all around, and Los Diablos is gaining influence and members.[/QUOTE] 'its okay guise! i was just testing stuff 2 u lol'

[QUOTE=Drizzt;37621432]Goose, can you whitelist my friends? albinoninja98k wargod51[/QUOTE] added

Holy shit there's like 19 people in this thread waiting for a response. For some it's waiting to see if Rage will be banned because he's the bad guy. For me it's seeing if this server will fall into unfun stagnation, a testament to the failure of using factions in unlimited, days-worth-of-travel worlds.

[QUOTE=Rageblood;37621777]Yet Bulet was the one who planted TNT under Ironhorde and then blew it up. So why am I getting a different punishment than him?[/QUOTE] He actually put some effort into his espionage. He built a cafe in the city, built a shop near spawn, befriended all of us. [i]Then[/i] he blew us all up. Meanwhile, you just run in and destroy everything because you woke up and felt like starting a war. There's no rhyme or reason behind anything you do other than to piss people off.

[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;37621888]He actually put some effort into his espionage. He built a cafe in the city, built a shop near spawn, befriended all of us. [i]Then[/i] he blew us all up. Meanwhile, you just run in and destroy everything because you woke up and felt like starting a war. There's no rhyme or reason behind anything you do other than to piss people off.[/QUOTE] Does there need to be a reason to fight in a video game, other than fun? Rage is just skipping the "in-game-fantasy-roleplay" part of getting a reason and just "roleplaying" as a bandit who kills and loots for fun. Think about it.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;37621957]It does defeat the purpose of what goose is trying to accomplish. There's no political intrigue when some random fuck comes into your area and destroys everything; there's no buildup, there's no tension, its just some random dick coming in and getting his jollies by killing a ton of people and destroying shit.[/QUOTE] Rageblood is just a mad-dog. If you want intruige, teamwork, and buildup. Try and stop him. Let the first real challenge of the new faction server be getting rid of the insane bandit who plauges the land. Instead of just tooling around waiting for something to happen when it never will. SKS look to your server for evidence as to what happens when nothing happens. Did anyone have fun building up to nothing for a month? I didn't, the entirity of imperium didn't, the nomadic 12-year-old server hoppers sure didn't. It was like setting up fireworks that never went off.

Okay yes he's a barbarian killing machine but that's my whole arguement. If you want tensions to build why not let Rage be the catalyst? LD has allies you know... and they are building just fine. [editline]10th September 2012[/editline] Okay here's a question to put you on the defense: what would cause a war between major factions, like imperium and ironhorde?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;37622031]"Try and stop him"? You do realize that this kind of shit doesn't stop. You kill them once and they'll come back a good 10-20 times until they piss off the wrong person and they get kicked off of the server. There's no point in banding together if the attacks aren't motivated for any reason other than "lol let's piss these guys off"[/QUOTE] Indeed. You can't just lock someone in a cell if they're bothering you. There's nothing to target other than the person who keeps blowing your shit up. It's boring and uninteresting to have to log in, repair the damages, and log off until the next report comes in. Having cold wars build up that climax in full-out empire toppling wars that change the server forever? [i]That's[/i] what I came here for. Fending off some random gang who doesn't have any reason for starting a war other than 'just cause'? That's stupid.

[QUOTE=rrunyan;37622036]Okay yes he's a barbarian killing machine but that's my whole arguement. If you want tensions to build why not let Rage be the catalyst? LD has allies you know... and they are building just fine. [editline]10th September 2012[/editline] Okay here's a question to put you on the defense: what would cause a war between major factions, like imperium and ironhorde?[/QUOTE] The point is, we don't want that type of tension. GOOSE doesn't want it. And it's his server. We don't want artificial dickery fueling all the conflicts in the server. Also Imperium and Iron Horde went to war just fine in Gen 1 before Rage acted like a dick 24/7. Either way, he's banned now, and it's done. So deal with it.

[QUOTE=Rageblood;37621777]Yet Bulet was the one who planted TNT under Ironhorde and then blew it up. So why am I getting a different punishment than him?[/QUOTE] Didn't we just say this isn't because of your attacks on Iron Horde? Also the reason Bulet did what he did is he thought we sold him out and let you destroy his base, he didn't realize we killed you and got almost all of his stuff out safely. When we told him that he dicked you guys over in turn. There is a logical succession of reasons why. None of it started "Just for fun".

[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;37622078][i]That's[/i] what I came here for.[/QUOTE] You came here for a faction server and that's what you got. I'll answer my own question: Winning is taking everything from everybody else. Eventually someone is going to want what someone else has, but Rage wants what Ironhorde and company has RIGHT NOW. If your arguements are that it's "too early for us to get involved" and "it's not personal enough", then consider maybe Rage is attacking early [B]because it's a good strategy to attack early[/B].

[QUOTE=rrunyan;37622164]You came here for a faction server and that's what you got. I'll answer my own question: Winning is taking everything from everybody else. Eventually someone is going to want what someone else has, but Rage wants what Ironhorde and company has RIGHT NOW. If your arguements are that it's "too early for us to get involved" and "it's not personal enough", then consider maybe Rage is attacking early [B]because it's a good strategy to attack early[/B].[/QUOTE] Rage admitted himself that he burned Shipwright's stuff not because he wanted what they had, but because it was claimed poorly and he could. Same for USBR's farms. It's not even remotely the same. Stop arguing, no one is changing their mind, if you hate the decision so much you're free to leave. Also I don't agree with your assertion that "winning is taking everything from everybody else." Maybe if you're a total dick, sure. This isn't starcraft, this isn't call of duty, the goals and victory conditions are completely undefined.

[QUOTE=rrunyan;37622164]You came here for a faction server and that's what you got. I'll answer my own question: Winning is taking everything from everybody else. Eventually someone is going to want what someone else has, but Rage wants what Ironhorde and company has RIGHT NOW. If your arguements are that it's "too early for us to get involved" and "it's not personal enough", then consider maybe Rage is attacking early [B]because it's a good strategy to attack early[/B].[/QUOTE] You know, I'm really sick of arguing. [B]People are tired of Rage blowing everyone else sky-high for no reason other than to piss people off.[/B] I enjoyed the old days of political tensions between factions, slowly escalating to a world war that made and broke factions. The end decision comes to Goose, and I support him banning Rage.

I personally consider winning to be making the game environment friendly and enjoyable for as many people as possible, which does involve not being a dick and attacking every weak faction the second they join. Because if you ruin the server for enough people, and they don't want to play here, the server is going to go under. Goose isn't going to fund it out of pocket forever or anything. We're pretty contingent on gathering donations. War can and should be a part of it, but if it is the only thing you're interested in, I think you're on the wrong server.

Also, consult the fucking OP: [QUOTE]To those who just want to PVP: There is no rule against it, but please try to show that you're smarter than just the average asshole. Play realistically. If you build like shit and just attack everyone you see, I'll probably find a reason to kick you out very quickly. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;37617848]Since the only person who stood up for rage is now denouncing him, I have decided to remove him and his alt rackthejipper from the whitelist. Admins, do not add him back unless I say different. Let this be a warning: I'm tired of the meta wars and MLG pvp shit. Play realistically and don't be a pointless asshole. PLEASE. I'm trying to have players on here of like mind. If you can't do me a simple favor of not being a meta dick, then I don't want you here anymore. Anyone disagree? I don't want to be an all powerful admin. I just want you guys to have fun. I feel like recently a lot of people have not been very happy with rageblood coming back. I didn't ban him for so long because I dont want you guys to ever feel like you're always at danger of being banned because of an over active admin. I want my server to be more personal, and feel like the admins are just as much players as you are. They are just ones I entrust with enforcing the few rules we have, and banning cheaters. I hate banning people because its what is "best" for the server, because I fear that will put everyone on edge and make them feel like they simply can't play the game. This isn't big brother server. Just please follow the rules and play nice. And I don't mean nice in a "no pvp" way, just play like we're all friends here. This isn't a hardcore pop server. It's a factions server. That doesn't mean you HAVE to pvp. It's not the focus. The focus is your faction. And what you have to do to make that faction prosper. If you're just attacking people randomly and not developing your faction, you're not getting the point.[/QUOTE] I didn't break any rules, and my faction is (was) currently reaching its former glory. My faction has things like pork, potions, and diamonds for all. My focus is the faction, and pvp is the heart of the faction. Our faction is wealthier than ever, and more well fed in a quicker time than ever. Our faction is prosperous, and out faction is developing quickly in efficiency, power, and strength. My members joined Los Diablos because they wanted a faction that can fight, and they are happy with that. With you banning me, my faction is going to turn into atrophy. With no direction and with more problems, which goes against making the faction prosper. I'm not invincible, nor is my faction. If IronCross can repel an attack and win, why not Ironhorde or USBP? Banning me would be a poor solution, and instead you should focus on say; attacking my faction, repelling attacks better, or making a UN-type coalition to name a few. And also, claim your stuff better. Nothing makes it easier to blow up a house than to leave a huge unclaimed part next to it, its just begging for someone to steal from it.

[QUOTE=Rageblood;37622303]I didn't break any rules, and my faction is (was) currently reaching its former glory. My faction has things like pork, potions, and diamonds for all. My focus is the faction, and pvp is the heart of the faction. Our faction is wealthier than ever, and more well fed in a quicker time than ever. Our faction is prosperous, and out faction is developing quickly in efficiency, power, and strength. My members joined Los Diablos because they wanted a faction that can fight, and they are happy with that. With you banning me, my faction is going to turn into atrophy. With no direction and with more problems, which goes against making the faction prosper. I'm not invincible, nor is my faction. If IronCross can repel an attack and win, why not Ironhorde or USBP? Banning me would be a poor solution, and instead you should focus on say; attacking my faction, repelling attacks better, or making a UN-type coalition to name a few. And also, claim your stuff better. Nothing makes it easier to blow up a house than to leave a huge unclaimed part next to it, its just begging for someone to steal from it.[/QUOTE] The problem isn't the faction, the problem is the way you act. You do things just because you can, not because you have any real reason, and you're just not getting that. The op specifically states that Goose will find a reason to remove people who pvp and grief just for the sake of pvp and griefing, and yes destroying shit just because it is poorly claimed DOES count as that. [editline]10th September 2012[/editline] No one wanted you banned because you attacked Iron Horde and USBR, we wanted you banned because you attacked Shipwrights and USBR without a single goddamn reason.

[QUOTE=rrunyan;37622164]You came here for a faction server and that's what you got. I'll answer my own question: Winning is taking everything from everybody else. Eventually someone is going to want what someone else has, but Rage wants what Ironhorde and company has RIGHT NOW. If your arguements are that it's "too early for us to get involved" and "it's not personal enough", then consider maybe Rage is attacking early [B]because it's a good strategy to attack early[/B].[/QUOTE] It's very interesting to see you say that, even though I have repeatedly stated that this server isn't about the pvp aspect. It's about the factions that shape the land. There is no winning condition. And like Ryjinn said, Rage didn't give 2 shits about his faction, since he never built anything of worth, and he just attacked anything that he could because "it's not illegal". I specifically stated in the OP to not be an asshole. I'm not banning Rage so much for his actions as I am for his attitude. I didn't want him on this server in the first place. I ran my course with him on the last 5 maps, and decided that this time around, he wasnt a good fit. He was whitelisted without my knowledge once, and then I unwhitelisted him. He was then whitelisted AGAIN, without ever posting in the thread. I unwhitelisted him a second time, only to have Bulet tell me that I should give him a chance and that he talked to Rage. He said that Rage would refrain from being an asshole. By doing what he did to shipwrights, and then his excuses for doing so, I am not convinced he has changed.

Sometimes we lose people we love to the banhammer. RIP DRAWTHMAR.

An example of a war without Rageblood instigating it: Remember Bulet's burger shack? I pissed Bulet off by aggressively undercutting his prices at the shipwrights shack. This was a perfectly valid reason for an attack, and that is what Bulet tried to do. However, after a while of chasing me around without accomplishing anything, he gave up and shut down his shop because I signed a price fixing agreement with walmart, which none of the other factions could or would willingly compete with. Sure, it was just a small thing, but it was a real conflict that started in literally a couple days from the server's start. I could bring up examples from other generations with factions like cactus and icarius, but I don't feel like using the wiki right now.

Oh man the arguing... I want to hop in but I'm doing homework asdfhdf

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;37622376]It's very interesting to see you say that, even though I have repeatedly stated that this server isn't about the pvp aspect. It's about the factions that shape the land. There is no winning condition. And like Ryjinn said, Rage didn't give 2 shits about his faction, since he never built anything of worth, and he just attacked anything that he could because "it's not illegal". I specifically stated in the OP to not be an asshole. I'm not banning Rage so much for his actions as I am for his attitude. I didn't want him on this server in the first place. I ran my course with him on the last 5 maps, and decided that this time around, he wasnt a good fit. He was whitelisted without my knowledge once, and then I unwhitelisted him. He was then whitelisted AGAIN, without ever posting in the thread. I unwhitelisted him a second time, only to have Bulet tell me that I should give him a chance and that he talked to Rage. He said that Rage would refrain from being an asshole. By doing what he did to shipwrights, and then his excuses for doing so, I am not convinced he has changed.[/QUOTE] In Generation I, my faction tried to be nice, however, Zertuk was being a jackass and kept on destroying from my base. Heck, he was in Ironhorde for a period of type while my storage was bombed out and stolen. From the first few days of Gen I until the fall of Ironhorde Zertuk was a constant threat and harasser to my faction. He wasn't banned for doing the same things I've been doing today. In Generation 2 nothing happened, I was in MajorWx's faction. In Generation 3 nothing happened still. Generation 4 my faction was starting to be more PVP-Orented. With USBR, Imperium, and Los Diablos having a common goal of attacking Meatwater's faction, eventually pushing him 30K blocks off the map. We even had the goal of attacking the Technocrats. Generation 5 had an explosion of Los Diablos related PVP combat. Going against all factions of all sizes and types, even with the aid of USBR, Zertuk, Imperium, and even Iron Legion. Los Diablos was fighting and also creating peace with Mir'Vall, yet the widespread war and fighting wasn't controversial. I wasn't banned nor did anything contested happen. Which brings us here now, only 4 factions were attacked (Shipwrights, USBP, Ironhorde, and IronCross) and now everything is mad with controversy, even though things were going on at the same rate, speed, and power as Generation 5. So what makes this Generation more controversial than the rest? Also, the greatest thing that I had built was the faction. Things like mining obsidian, building obsidian walls, or finding an island aren't easy.