Tribes: Ascend v3: Would the real shazbot please stand up - Games

[QUOTE=Chirno;36552394]Jackal isn't op... How you guys find that weapon broken is beyond me.[/QUOTE] We've played as techs. Try it yourself, you will see it as the bane of your very existence.

[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;36553119]We've played as techs. Try it yourself, you will see it as the bane of your very existence.[/QUOTE] I've played HoF, guess that means Juggs are OP...

[QUOTE=Chirno;36553308]I've played HoF, guess that means Juggs are OP...[/QUOTE] I've played capper, I guess that means SENs are OP. Listen Chirno you can't argue what you can't win, the Jackal completely detracts from the role of the INF, supposed to plan and coordinate their attacks, with the jackal they can just run in willy nillie, plant 3 jack-a-nades on the flagstand and detonate them while running away. There's no co-ordination, plus they're better than the SMG because they're also useful for dueling, something the spinfusor falls down against (see: sidegrades) the jackal does both of these functions in one gun, plus they can throw them from quite some distance or even just keep them stuck on the stand like mines, not even the Raider can do this and the SEN/DMB are the other two than can barely do this, the jackal isn't necessarily OP, it's just massively better than the other two weapons you're given, which it shouldn't be, if anything - swap the Raider's Arx Buster for the Jackal and bring the damages down to suit, then you have a better fit.

I've played every class,I guess that means everything is OP.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;36553412]I've played capper, I guess that means SENs are OP. Listen Chirno you can't argue what you can't win, the Jackal completely detracts from the role of the INF, supposed to plan and coordinate their attacks, with the jackal they can just run in willy nillie, plant 3 jack-a-nades on the flagstand and detonate them while running away. There's no co-ordination, plus they're better than the SMG because they're also useful for dueling, something the spinfusor falls down against (see: sidegrades) the jackal does both of these functions in one gun, plus they can throw them from quite some distance or even just keep them stuck on the stand like mines, not even the Raider can do this and the SEN/DMB are the other two than can barely do this, the jackal isn't necessarily OP, it's just massively better than the other two weapons you're given, which it shouldn't be, if anything - swap the Raider's Arx Buster for the Jackal and bring the damages down to suit, then you have a better fit.[/QUOTE] I don't know what Inf you've been playing, but you just walk in stealthed while looking out for mines/motion sensors and stab a few idiots in the back, throw some stickies then walk out stealthed. Don't need to plan shit other than breaking the base sensor.

[QUOTE=Chirno;36553583]I don't know what Inf you've been playing, but you just walk in stealthed while looking out for mines/motion sensors and stab a few idiots in the back, throw some stickies then walk out stealthed. Don't need to plan shit other than breaking the base sensor.[/QUOTE] You have obviously never played INF against a competent defense

I loved my time playing this game but I eventually stopped playing it as it kinda became a bit too repetitive. It has very solid gameplay mechanics but it all seems a bit too redundant to me.

[QUOTE=Chirno;36551876]So basically you created an argument that can't be debated what-so-ever.[/QUOTE] So you're saying the only reason you wouldn't use a jackal is if you wanted to not play as infiltrator What other reasons would you use the spinfuser or smg, the jackal has a much higher burst and overall dps, the only thing I can think of is if you wanted to snipe base turrets, but you could do that about 10 times faster by just running up to them and sticky/jackal-ing them

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLiGtsWOlEw[/media] What does the quality on that look/sound like to you guys? Complete with overly dramatic music.

It looks pretty good to me but i'm no video or sound expert!

Better ideas for the jackal: >Slower firing rate >Must look at the bombs to detonate them >They glow (to everyone) when you look at them

[QUOTE=little.sparrow;36554721]Better ideas for the jackal: >Slower firing rate >Must look at the bombs to detonate them >They glow (to everyone) when you look at them[/QUOTE] Better idea for the jackal >remove it

[QUOTE=little.sparrow;36554721]Better ideas for the jackal: >Slower firing rate >Must look at the bombs to detonate them >They glow (to everyone) when you look at them[/QUOTE]-Energy loss + cloak fade when fired or detonated -Worse damage on bombs, so you need to hit with all three to kill a medium soldier with full health.

For some reason DxTory stopped recording in HD. This shit is weird man. [editline].[/editline] Nevermind, was still on Sonic Generations template. Excited to start recording adventures in Tribes

The jackal could have longer detonate time, like the sticky grenades in TF2.

IT needs slower detonation time.} And slower firing speed. But if those two would be added,then they should buff the dmg back to 500. But that's just me.

Just keep the damage the same and give him the raider's arx and give the raider the jackal. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Keep the models of course.

Or just make it fire two stickies instead of three. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Or you know, you guys could suck it up and deal with it. The jackal is a good weapon but you know what? I don't think I've EVER been killed by an infiltrator with a jackal one on one. The only people that complain about the jackal are the ones who are too stupid to figure out how to deal with it.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;36555866]Or just make it fire two stickies instead of three. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Or you know, you guys could suck it up and deal with it. The jackal is a good weapon but you know what? I don't think I've EVER been killed by an infiltrator with a jackal one on one. The only people that complain about the jackal are the ones who are too stupid to figure out how to deal with it.[/QUOTE] You mean the ones that stand still all the time and are predictable? Those are the only ones that yelled at me for using the jackal.

[QUOTE=Idzo;36555950]You mean the ones that stand still all the time and are predictable? Those are the only ones that yelled at me for using the jackal.[/QUOTE] Exactly. I'm level 30 and I'm not kidding when I say I have [B]never[/B] even once been killed by an infiltrator using a jackal one on one. I can remember a specific time where [I]THREE[/I] jackal infiltrators were attacking the generator room together and I repelled them every time as a single doombringer. So if I can take on 3 infiltrators with jackals by myself, how fucking bad is everyone who can't take on a single infiltrator? [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Sorry if this is TOO REAL FOR YOU GUYS

[QUOTE=Foogooman;36555991]Exactly. I'm level 30 and I'm not kidding when I say I have [B]never[/B] even once been killed by an infiltrator using a jackal one on one. I can remember a specific time where [I]THREE[/I] jackal infiltrators were attacking the generator room together and I repelled them every time as a single doombringer. So if I can take on 3 infiltrators with jackals by myself, how fucking bad is everyone who can't take on a single infiltrator? [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Sorry if this is TOO REAL FOR YOU GUYS[/QUOTE] Tree stickies one hit kill a medium. You repair shit or else, you get killed by somebody who cloacks immediately after without paying consequences. Rinse, repeat. No matter if you move while repairing. on 1 on 1 is another story whole. As thumperician, rarely do I lose on 1 vs 1. Don't misunderstand me I don't hate infiltrators as a whole. I have played myself as inf for a while, smg inf I mean, and as far as I experienced the role of the class is clear the flagstand (sacrificing precious mines), destroying the generator (again, mines-consuming) or kill limping enemies while unnoticed. If you tried to kill enemies who had full health, you had to waste mines precious to fullfill the two other roles. And that's true for the smg and spinfusor. But the jackal, which can kill enemies with full life and let you disappear immediately after.

[QUOTE=lapsus_;36556243]Tree stickies one hit kill a medium. You repair shit or else, you get killed by somebody who cloacks immediately after without paying consequences. Rinse, repeat. [b]No matter if you move while repairing.[/b] on 1 on 1 is another story whole. As thumperician, rarely do I lose on 1 vs 1. Don't misunderstand me I don't hate infiltrators as a whole. I have played myself as inf for a while, smg inf I mean, and as far as I experienced the role of the class is clear the flagstand (sacrificing precious mines), destroying the generator (again, mines-consuming) or kill limping enemies while unnoticed. If you tried to kill enemies who had full health, you had to waste mines precious to fullfill the two other roles. And that's true for the smg and spinfusor. But the jackal, which can kill enemies with full life and let you disappear immediately after.[/QUOTE] See, I can already spot why you get killed by jackal infs. If a jackal infiltrator kills you at full health then you deserved it, every time. If he's killing you at half health then he might as well have been any other class cuz they could do the same thing.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;36556370]See, I can already spot why you get killed by jackal infs. If a jackal infiltrator kills you at full health then you deserved it, every time. If he's killing you at half health then he might as well have been any other class cuz they could do the same thing.[/QUOTE] Then I'll let you do the repairing while tapdancing. No really, what else can one do besides putting third person and go right and left franctically? I can't think of any other weapon that one-hit kills you that quickly, besides mortars, heavy AP grenades, and anti-personel grenades. Not even brute weapons, which should be meant to pack the hardest punch, deal enough to kill a medium in one hit.

I have absolutely no idea what happened in a game I played earlier but it was great. Was on crossfire, was skiing across from our ship to theirs, and as I made the jump toward their flag, I chucked two sticky grenades into the hold and I went over the top of the ship. I proceeded to get 10+ badges at once, and a shitload of XP. I really wonder what the hell happened in there when I chucked those stickies.. I know I killed the guy carrying our flag, but I think I just decimated everyone in there somehow.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;36555991]Exactly. I'm level 30 and I'm not kidding when I say I have [B]never[/B] even once been killed by an infiltrator using a jackal one on one. I can remember a specific time where [I]THREE[/I] jackal infiltrators were attacking the generator room together and I repelled them every time as a single doombringer. So if I can take on 3 infiltrators with jackals by myself, how fucking bad is everyone who can't take on a single infiltrator? [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Sorry if this is TOO REAL FOR YOU GUYS[/QUOTE] I very much doubt you haven't been killed by a Jackal, ever, and I also don't much believe your story, but assuming you're telling the truth -- You were a heavy class with a chaingun (DMB) (speaking of which, what are you doing in your generator room), facing some obviously inexperienced players (if you were able to catch 3 INFs in the act of taking down a generator, which should take them all of 3 seconds as a group..) who you surprised that is not exactly a difficult feat [QUOTE=Idzo;36555950]You mean the ones that stand still all the time and are predictable? Those are the only ones that yelled at me for using the jackal.[/QUOTE] We are not those people We are the people that get killed in duels where neither the ground nor the air provided any strategic advantage whatsoever because the Jackal can dominate both, without any sort of effort by the other player (shoot in ~general direction, reload, repeat) [QUOTE=Foogooman;36555866]Or you know, you guys could suck it up and deal with it. The jackal is a good weapon but you know what? I don't think I've EVER been killed by an infiltrator with a jackal one on one.[/quote] (still don't believe you btw) What roles do you play? Things like capper, LO are never going to be killed by Jackal INFs and will never understand why so many people hate it, because they will never encounter it [quote]The only people that complain about the jackal are the ones who are too stupid to figure out how to deal with it.[/QUOTE] Uh no People complain because there [I]is no[/I] way to deal with it If you're trying to duel a Jackal INF, you have nowhere to go, because the Jackal dominates air and ground, is very forgiving with aim (huge splash), can make [B]unavoidable[/B] ambushes/traps in literally one second, [B]and can only be used by a class that can go invisible at will[/B] (smoke grenades, or denying somebody chasing you by laying down some Jackal rounds at a corner and running behind it) [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Foogooman;36556370]See, I can already spot why you get killed by jackal infs. [B]If a jackal infiltrator kills you at full health then you deserved it, every time. If he's killing you at half health then he might as well have been any other class cuz they could do the same thing.[/B][/QUOTE] [I]Why[/I] do we deserve to be killed It doesn't matter how good you are at dueling, you can die to an inexperienced/bad player with a Jackal because it is so versatile

I'm one of the new steam noobs, but this game rocks. Really enjoying it.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;36555866]Or just make it fire two stickies instead of three. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Or you know, you guys could suck it up and deal with it. The jackal is a good weapon but you know what? I don't think I've EVER been killed by an infiltrator with a jackal one on one. The only people that complain about the jackal are the ones who are too stupid to figure out how to deal with it.[/QUOTE] How do people get this dumb like seriously [editline]30th June 2012[/editline] Can you come up with the reason why you would ever use the Jackal over the SMG or Spinfuser Because apparently i'm just too stupid to figure this huge mystery out, maybe you can smug your way into coming up why it's not broken as fuck

vanilla inf is actually really fun to play and generally pretty balanced aside from maybe the stickies are too strong [editline]30th June 2012[/editline] you actually cannot argue in favor of the jackal though it's retarded [editline]30th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Foogooman;36555991]Exactly. I'm level 30 and I'm not kidding when I say I have [B]never[/B] even once been killed by an infiltrator using a jackal one on one. I can remember a specific time where [I]THREE[/I] jackal infiltrators were attacking the generator room together and I repelled them every time as a single doombringer. So if I can take on 3 infiltrators with jackals by myself, how fucking bad is everyone who can't take on a single infiltrator? [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] Sorry if this is TOO REAL FOR YOU GUYS[/QUOTE] GUYS WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM???? i don't get killed by x it must be fine!!!!! gET ON MY LEVEL

Ok my two cents about the jackal: The main problem about the jackal is the point of view: Is supposed to be a trap and harassment weapon, just like the prism mines. But what we got is a better version of the ARX buster, way more control and you can shot while invisible and with that, the ultimate offensive weapon. If they lower the damage barely a 10% and add a good arm time in between shots the jackal will fits the original purpose for what it was made for. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=krail9;36557678]vanilla inf is actually really fun to play and generally pretty balanced aside from maybe the stickies are too strong [/QUOTE] Yeah, inf smg is very good, plus the pistol packs quite a punch.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;36556690]I very much doubt you haven't been killed by a Jackal, ever, and I also don't much believe your story, but assuming you're telling the truth -- You were a heavy class with a chaingun (DMB) (speaking of which, what are you doing in your generator room), facing some obviously inexperienced players (if you were able to catch 3 INFs in the act of taking down a generator, which should take them all of 3 seconds as a group..) who you surprised that is not exactly a difficult feat We are not those people We are the people that get killed in duels where neither the ground nor the air provided any strategic advantage whatsoever because the Jackal can dominate both, without any sort of effort by the other player (shoot in ~general direction, reload, repeat) (still don't believe you btw) What roles do you play? Things like capper, LO are never going to be killed by Jackal INFs and will never understand why so many people hate it, because they will never encounter it Uh no People complain because there [I]is no[/I] way to deal with it If you're trying to duel a Jackal INF, you have nowhere to go, because the Jackal dominates air and ground, is very forgiving with aim (huge splash), can make [B]unavoidable[/B] ambushes/traps in literally one second, [B]and can only be used by a class that can go invisible at will[/B] (smoke grenades, or denying somebody chasing you by laying down some Jackal rounds at a corner and running behind it) [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] [I]Why[/I] do we deserve to be killed It doesn't matter how good you are at dueling, you can die to an inexperienced/bad player with a Jackal because it is so versatile[/QUOTE] My story is completely true (it surprised me when it occurred to me too) and lmao once again I can see why you get killed by jackal infiltrators, you think I would be using the chaingun indoors? I play every class except sentinel (because fuck sentinels) and I pilot every vehicle proficiently. I've gotten slayer as Doombringer, Brute, Shrike Pilot, Beowulf pilot, raider, and infiltrator multiple times. I've gotten all five caps in games before. I hit obsidian in flag returns long ago. [i]You would[/I] think there's no way to deal with it. It's completely avoidable, you're just bad and you deserve to be killed (in game let's not get out of hand here) because you're bad. Baddies get killed. [I]You[/I] can die to a bad or inexperienced player with a jackal, [B]I[/B] can't. And I'm tired of people talking about it. I'm boasting to show you it's not as powerful as you think it is. It's [I]tactically[/I] powerful and that's why you get killed. You don't know how to deal with infiltrator [I]tactics.[/I] [editline]30th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Espio;36556916]How do people get this dumb like seriously [editline]30th June 2012[/editline] Can you come up with the reason why you would ever use the Jackal over the SMG or Spinfuser Because apparently i'm just too stupid to figure this huge mystery out, maybe you can smug your way into coming up why it's not broken as fuck[/QUOTE] No, the jackal is obviously way better than the SMG and spinfusor don't be silly.