VAC banned by a Valve employee! - Games

that's like the police banning you from all restaurants except the trashy, disgusting, dirty restaurant down the street. There are so few insecure servers, and they all suck because they are always full of ACTUAL hackers, not exploiters. [editline]01:35AM[/editline] Did you ever think about the fact that if some random person who knew a valve employee like this guy didn't like you, he could record a fake demo and give it to him and say "this guy was hacking, see look" and then the valve employee could just add you to a ban list. That is the problem with this. It's not about that I got banned, it's that I got banned by a person based on what they see. The guy had no evidence I was hacking, so he had no right to ban me.

[QUOTE=Jag;21868096]that's like the police banning you from all restaurants except the trashy, disgusting, dirty restaurant down the street. There are so few insecure servers, and they all suck because they are always full of ACTUAL hackers, not exploiters. [editline]01:35AM[/editline] Did you ever think about the fact that if some random person who knew a valve employee like this guy didn't like you, he could record a fake demo and give it to him and say "this guy was hacking, see look" and then the valve employee could just add you to a ban list. That is the problem with this. It's not about that I got banned, it's that I got banned by a person based on what they see.[/QUOTE] Um, except that is not how it happened. You said yourself that the employee was in the server with you at the time, so the employee saw it himself. You are banned from servers that do not wish to deal with cheaters. Your entire complaint is that you want to cheat against people who don't cheat, because the cheaters in the servers you can access cheat better than you.

Jag, don't get mad because you can't face consequences for your actions. Regardless of the tools used, you found a way to make the game operate in a way that it was not supposed to, and a way that was unfair to other players. You chose to do it, it is your fault and no one else. People use VAC to protect their servers from people who try (regardless of the means used) to give themselves an unfair advantage. YOU are in the wrong. The ban was legitimate, and if employees were not supposed to ban people this way, it wouldn't have happened. I'm sure they are allowed to use their own judgment if necessary. If I worked for Valve, I would have done the same thing. Your just mad because you though you found a loop hole and karma kicked in in the form of a Valve employee!

[QUOTE=Jessesmith1;21865022]he's still exploiting to gain an advantage. that's not fair. his ban was deserved. uMAD? go take a dump.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't give a death penalty for speeding.

[QUOTE=ProBo;21868222]The ban was ligament[/QUOTE] :cawg: Sorry, that's just such an awful mis-spelling that I broke out in laughter to it :v:

"If you did that exploit and a valve employee banned you, would you not feel that some people would want to help you get your game back?" Why would I use an exploit like that in the first place? It's called ANTI CHEAT!!! You cheated! You got banned! No one really take pity on you! In fact, if I heard you got unbanned somehow, and you ever joined a server I admin, I would ban you on the spot! EDIT: [QUOTE=subenji99;21868269]:cawg: Sorry, that's just such an awful mis-spelling that I broke out in laughter to it :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah, my bad, completely missed that :/

I would suggest you try it sometime, but you can get banned so I wouldn't suggest that anymore. (It's quite fun/funny)

You hacked with a 3rd party program. Admit it.

I derive no pleasure in ruining other people's valuable spare time, and anyone that does is a hateful person in my eyes. :colbert:

[QUOTE=LinuX;21868384]You hacked with a 3rd party program. Admit it.[/QUOTE] Okay, I admit it, a server plugin (with a .dll extension) is a third party PROGRAM. You win, I used an actual HACK to edit my game, and I think that Valve employees should ban everyone who does anything that bothers them whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Jag;21868332]I would suggest you try it sometime, but you can get banned so I wouldn't suggest that anymore. (It's quite fun/funny)[/QUOTE] You know what is more fun/funny? Killing an exploiter like it was nothing without cheats or exploits. I've killed people overclocking, speed hacking, basically anything other than invincibility. You may get a cheap thrill out of cheating and upsetting people, but cheaters get -really- mad when they lose despite their cheats.

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[QUOTE=Jag;21868472]:words: I didn't do it to win, I never have, and never would use cheats to win. I use cheats to simply make people rage, and I have no problems if they killed me because it's just a game. Whenever I would die, someone would say "HAHA YOU'RE BAD EVEN WITH YOUR CHEATS" and I wouldn't care because I wasn't using them to try to be good. They seem to think being really fast makes me invincible, and if they kill me, then I must be REALLY bad. Because running at 7x speed as a scout is really easy and you never ever run into walls or get stuck on something.[/QUOTE] hi i'm jag i don't hack to win i just hack because i can ecks dee [B]Addition[/B] [QUOTE=Jag;21868431]Okay, I admit it, a server plugin (with a .dll extension) is a third party PROGRAM. You win, I used an actual HACK to edit my game, and I think that Valve employees should ban everyone who does anything that bothers them whatsoever.[/QUOTE] :ms: once again

[QUOTE=Jag;21868431]Okay, I admit it, a server plugin (with a .dll extension) is a third party PROGRAM. You win, I used an actual HACK to edit my game, and I think that Valve employees should ban everyone who does anything that bothers them whatsoever.[/QUOTE] The early wallhacks were usually d3d9.dll files. They're still external code. There's also the rumours of VAC bans from the GoldSrc PARANOIA mod, that had a customised opengl32.dll file.

This thread is no longer needed, I didn't get unbanned, not going to, and it needs locked now. Lock this thread.

someone hacks or cheats, someone gets found out, someone thinks of creative way to try and get others to buy his game for him again.

[I]~locked[/I]

[QUOTE=Jag;21862477]Since you guys want my steam account, I have two; [URL]http://steamcommunity.com/id/jaggerestep[/URL] (Not the account in question, my orangebox account with garrysmod, VAC banned when I first joined STEAM and got CSS and Garry's Mod, I didn't know better and I used an "undetectable" hack in CSS. After I got VAC banned I bought this second account to not get VAC banned on ever: ) [URL]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198000099841/[/URL] (Account that got VAC banned by the Valve employee.)[/QUOTE] And you never learn. Serves you right. Hope they add hardware and ip bans like punkbuster and then permaban your sorry ass. What about of you were still cheating can't you understand?

[QUOTE=Jag;21862202] What if I had been the owner of that server, and i gave myself unfair advantages because I wanted to.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot, as that is a completely different situation. For one, the Valve employee went in spectate to determine whether you were cheating, and most likely recorded a demo of you doing it for future reference. You used a third-party modification to get an advantage in the game purely to piss others off. VAC was made to [b]HELP[/b] ban cheaters. It is not a stand-alone solution. [editline]10:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jag;21868023]It's still an exploit and not a hack. VAC is supposed to be for hacks, not exploits.[/QUOTE] The word "Hack" is barely mentioned in VAC's terms. It used the word "Cheat", which is completely different. Exploit = Cheats, at least according to VAC. It's common sense. [editline]10:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jag;21868748]This thread is no longer needed, I didn't get unbanned, not going to, and it needs locked now. Lock this thread.[/QUOTE] I hereby announce OP's asshole torn up :patriot: [editline]10:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jag;21868472]Whenever I would die, someone would say "HAHA YOU'RE BAD EVEN WITH YOUR CHEATS" and I wouldn't care because I wasn't using them to try to be good.[/QUOTE] OP probably fails at real life considering how he uses attention whoring to make himself feel better. :bravo:

[QUOTE=subenji99;21867614]2 problems here: Valve own the rights to their game, they can define what cheating in their game entails. Don't like it, disable VAC on your server. Server rules are just words, whereas Valve's Subscriber's Agreement is a legal document.[/QUOTE] What I said in my post is that it is a claim of ownership. I have a claim of ownership on my server too. It is contestable in court. A server rule sheet is just as much a legal document and Valve's EULA. They are both accepted by the user by clicking I accept. The only different is that Valve's subscriber's agreement is worded in legal terms by a lawyer. If I wanted to I could hire a lawyer to write my server rules, and some servers have done so. The fact is, I have control over what goes on in my server. If a Valve employee came on my server and banned someone, I have a case.

[QUOTE=FHamster;21870070]If a Valve employee came on my server and banned someone, I have a case.[/QUOTE] By making your server VAC-secured, you agree to it's terms.

You fucked yourself up. Why the hell are you making a thread about it anyway? You aren't getting unbanned no matter what, so..

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;21870101]By making your server VAC-secured, you agree to it's terms.[/QUOTE] Even if my server wasn't VAC secure, the employee in question did a manual VAC ban, thus making the point moot. There is also "Admins have final say"

[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;21861526]Using Sourcemod to speed is no different from using a hack. Even if a server does not have Sourcemod installed you can still use the Sourcemode exploit since its hosted locally. If true, the Valve employee had every right to VAC ban his account for cheating with a known exploit that they cant patch. If Valve were to patch this and make it VAC ban worthy then everyone hosting a local server with Sourcemod would get a VAC ban and that wouldnt be pretty. Using Sourcemod to cheat is no different than going to a website and downloading a hack. Both are in clear violation of the EULA and you use them at your own risk. Once you get VAC'd you will never get unbanned no matter how much you complain. Violation of EULA, yeah he got what he deserves and the fact he got caught makes it even funnier.[/QUOTE] I am probably gonna get banned for this but you are the fucking dumbest idiot I have ever seen! Firstly downloading a hack is a third party program that is supposed to give you an advantage! Source mods is a fucking plugin that you download that allows you to install other plugins!! You cannot use the source mod exploit on a server without it because it won't have source mod!!!!! For fuck sakes you are ignorant, It is not VIOLATION OF EULA and he did not deserve this treatment because IT WASN'T A HACK THAT GIVES AN ADVANTAGE. It was an exploit that a coder of a PLUGIN didn't patch so therefore ONLY A SERVER ADMIN SHOULD COMMIT A BAN for BUG ABUSE. Valve cannot patch it because they don't need to or have rights to it and it is not their problem!!!! GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST The employee or moderator was 1. No questioning or proof that this was a hack 2. Interfering with automated anti cheat system [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Jaanus))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=FHamster;21870070] If a Valve employee came on my server and banned someone, I have a case.[/QUOTE] Re-Read Valve's EULA. Not to mention their's comes first since you agreed it when setting up the server.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;21870710]They wouldn't VAC ban a person for being annoying (Example: Micspamming), HOWEVER, if they are gaining an unfair advantage over other players that alters the normal flow of gameplay directly ([b]WHICH PERFECTLY DESCRIBES WHAT YOU WERE DOING[/b]), they have every right to take you off of VAC servers... The ban would have never happened if you hadn't cheated/ used an exploit for intentions of cheating, because if you're a client on someone elses server using a speedhack for obvious intentions, the ban really was well deserved... /thread[/QUOTE] But actually!!!! It says that it has to be altered with a third party program.

People have different views and opinions and always will. No point in forcing a opinion when both sides are blind to the others point-of-view. Just let this thread die.

[QUOTE=FHamster;21867420]The Valve employee imposed his beliefs in a server not owned by him or Valve. That is admin abusing without being admin. Valve has no say in my server. Where VAC ends in checking the client's game files to detect any tampering, my reign as supreme dictator of all events in my server begins. Valve is not GM. I am. Valve's EULA on cheating is a claim, allowing them to claim their right to punish who they deem are cheaters. Likewise, my server, and most other servers have their own claim to their power over what goes on in their server. It is contested ground. However, I believe the serverowner holds more weight when it is their money and owns the server and houses the game. Thus when a server's rules say "Respect all admins" or "Admins have final say" it means untrusted Valve employees have no say and no power over what goes on in the server. Dedicated servers is a selling point. There are advantages and disadvantages of letting people host dedicated servers, however you must realize Valve does not own these servers. Being lax on the their engine allowing sourcemods and custom servers and server material is something I respect about Valve though.[/QUOTE] Although I do think he still would have gotten VAC banned automatically and that he deserved it, I agree with this.

This thread is a waste of time. No amount of whining on this thread will ever get him banned because he plainly cheated. Doesn't matter if the VAC ban was automatic or manual. I don't care if you say it does matter because it doesn't matter how he cheated. He did cheat in plain sight and so the Valve Employee did the right thing and VAC banned him. If he didn't cheat he would still be able to play all of his favourite games, but no.

[QUOTE=Jag;21868023]It's still an exploit and not a hack. VAC is supposed to be for hacks, not exploits. If a human can manually add VAC bans, the system is flawed, because you can't mistakenly inject some code into hl2.exe, or run an aimbot and use it. You can have an exploit mistaken for a hack by a human, though, because they think they see a hack.[/QUOTE] Valve anti [b]CHEAT[/b] you were going very fast, right? speed exploit? you cheated.