VAC banned by a Valve employee! - Games

[QUOTE=Jag;21895373]This thread is no longer about me trying to get unbanned, since it's not happening, it's more about awareness of the flaws of VAC and how a developer could add anyone for any or no reason whatsoever. You say something a developer doesn't like and they're having a bad day? Ban.[/QUOTE] This isnt a darkrp server, im sure the power isnt given to just anybody, besides its not like you have lost all your games, you just cant play on servers that use Valves anti cheat system, Valve can do whatever they want to you mate, but they wont do it for no reason.

[QUOTE=Jag;21895373]This thread is no longer about me trying to get unbanned, since it's not happening, it's more about awareness of the flaws of VAC and how a developer could add anyone for any or no reason whatsoever. You say something a developer doesn't like and they're having a bad day? Ban.[/QUOTE] oh look, someone is running faster than the speed is set to. but im not going to ban cuz im having a great day

[quote]I used a plugin – sourcemod, to make the client think that it is the server and allow certain cvars to be changed, which allowed me to use speedhacks USING CONSOLE COMMANDS and not a third-party program or DLL. This VAC ban was unfair and should not have happened.[/quote] This is hilarious because of how untrue it is. Sourcemod is thirdparty and it does use a thirdparty DLL.

[QUOTE=Jag;21895321]Right because if you look on the stats for that thing, where i got 5 kills, 2 deaths, I was really speeding around a lot and killing everyone. What a dick I am?[/QUOTE] :sigh: people never learn. If you use an exploit, it's an unfair advantage, classed as a cheat, VAC cannot detect an exploit, but a Valve Employee can.

what is everyone talking about. the vac faqs and whatnot states that it's an automated system to detect hacks. in this case it wasn't automated nor did it ban him for hacking. it's p. much bullshit that a valve employee vac banned you for exploiting

[QUOTE] [editline]08:48PM[/editline] What if I had been the owner of that server, and i gave myself unfair advantages because I wanted to. If this Valve employee thought I was hacking and VAC banned me, it would be the same exact thing. I was doing something that VAC cannot catch on it's own, which isn't considered a hack, just an exploit of server plugins. This person, a human, capable of fault, is able to manually add me to a perfect, infallible system of catching HACKERS. They should not be able to go to some VAC control panel and click "Add person to VAC blacklist," because they are not perfect like VAC. [/QUOTE] Jag, if you had been the admin of the server, the employee would have dismissed your SPEED ADVANTAGE and would GO PLAY ON A DIFFERENT SERVER. [QUOTE] [editline]08:49PM[/editline] VAC is perfect, humans who control VAC make it imperfect. [/QUOTE] As a matter of fact, Jag, it is human who made machine. Like gods to human, we are only as perfect as they make us. A machine cannot do more than what it is made for. Can a sewing machine make a nuclear weapon? Can a can-opener cut down trees? Can a windmill push back the wind? And lastly, can a man become a god? Jag, enough digging into philosophy. A part of being a man is taking a loss, proudly. Do you know why? Because a man can always stand up after he falls. The question is, can you?

There is no [I]specific[/I] law against dropping 100 pianos on someone to kill them, but you still killed them.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;21901597]There is no [I]specific[/I] law against dropping 100 pianos on someone to kill them, but you still killed them.[/QUOTE] Yes because homocide with 100 pianos and homocide can be compared to exploitation and hacking. :downs: [quote] A part of being a man is taking a loss, proudly. Do you know why? Because a man can always stand up after he falls. The question is, can you? [/quote] Yes, which is why I have gotten back up, and now I am fighting back.

[QUOTE=Jag;21902815]Yes because homocide with 100 pianos and homocide can be compared to exploitation and hacking. :downs:[/QUOTE] Nevermind don't bother sending an email I'm sure gabe can do without an email from a whiny 8 year old brat who cheats.

[QUOTE=compwhizii;21903104]Nevermind don't bother sending an email I'm sure gabe can do without an email from a whiny 8 year old brat who cheats.[/QUOTE] I haven't whined, I'm 16, and I used console commands, it's as much cheating as sv_cheats is, and even thought it has cheat in the name, it's not really cheating.

[QUOTE=Jag;21903554]I haven't whined, I'm 16, and I used console commands, it's as much cheating as sv_cheats is, and even thought it has cheat in the name, it's not really cheating.[/QUOTE] Its exploiting bugs. That's like breaking into a bank that's insecure software and saying its okay.

[QUOTE=Jag;21902815]Yes because homocide with 100 pianos and homocide can be compared to exploitation and hacking. :downs:[/QUOTE] Hyperbole.

So you we're cheating on someone's else server (not yours) and got banned? Stay banned fucker.

Apparently people are having trouble differentiating between an exploit and a real third party hack. That's same as saying that people who built multiple sentries since the update should be VAC banned. Yes, exploiting is bad and can be unfun for a lot of people, but this ban was unnecessary in more than one way and certainly against what the VAC was intended for in the first place. This should have been taken up with the administrator of the server instead of a Valve employee taking matters into his/her hands. Also the OP needs to calm down and stop acting childish. Be professional and send an email with valid points and evidence supporting your claim, with which you have.

[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;21904319]Apparently people are having trouble differentiating between an exploit and a real third party hack. That's same as saying that people who built multiple sentries since the update should be VAC banned. Yes, exploiting is bad and can be unfun for a lot of people, but this ban was unnecessary in more than one way and certainly against what the VAC was intended for in the first place. This should have been taken up with the administrator of the server instead of a Valve employee taking matters into his/her hands. Also the OP needs to calm down and stop acting childish. Be professional and send an email with valid points and evidence supporting your claim, with which you have.[/QUOTE] OP exploited [b]3rd party plugin[/b] to speedhack, the ban was justified

[QUOTE=opaali;21904361]OP exploited [b]3rd party plugin[/b] to speedhack, the ban was justified[/QUOTE] SourceMod is server modification for any game that runs on the Half-Life 2 engine. It's basically used for users to help manage their servers. Obviously the server wasn't protected, and such this happened. This has nothing to do with the VAC software detection.

The exploit exploited the 3rd party plugin the server had. VAC is there to prevent cheating on the servers through means other than loopholes in which server operators voluntarily introduce with 3rd party server plugins (Sourcemod). Therefor, VAC-Ban was unreasonable. A server ban should have been done and the guy should've been insulted and lol'd at like the dumbass that he is, but a game-wide ban is just plain unfair. Valve has no responsibility to enforce preventions/bans of exploits caused by something they did not develop(if they are being used by the server operators)

I know, that doesn't change the fact that it's 3rd party plugin, and op was using it to cheat

[QUOTE=Benlecyborg;21894542]Heh. This thread was featured in an article about how Steam is 'flawed'. [url]http://steamunpowered.eu/vac-banned-by-a-valve-employee/[/url][/QUOTE] What a shitty website. It looks like the Fox News of gaming.

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;21904685]What a shitty website. It looks like the Fox News of gaming.[/QUOTE] I know. I don't really want my thread to be on there, because I like steam and Valve, but, whatever.

[QUOTE=opaali;21904616]I know, that doesn't change the fact that it's 3rd party plugin, and op was using it to cheat[/QUOTE] True enough, but the real issue is that the discussed cheat only works on servers that have that 3rd party plugin enabled. In literal terms, it's quite frankly the responsibility of the server operator to make sure that all modifications on the server do not allow such exploits. Because it's the responsibility of the server operator, Valve should have no part in punishing the offender, even if the modification is used by 99% of the servers, it's still a 3rd party modification. All in all, I don't care if he gets unbanned or not, as because of 99% of servers use the plugin, he won't be allowed on the one I play on to annoy us and make the admins waste at most 5 minutes banning him. I just wanted to clarify what appeared to me to be his side of the issue. Sometimes the dumb people need defending too.

[QUOTE=Jag;21903554]I haven't whined[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jag;21830189]NEVERMIND DO NOT LOCK THIS THREAD. NEW STUFF HAS CAME UP AND IT NO LONGER NEEDS LOCKED. I was using the speedhacking exploit with sourcemod on a random TF2 server. This guy [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/professorfarnsworth/[/url] was there, and someone said "Al, don't you work for valve? can't you ban this guy?" and he said "yeah, hold on" and I figured they were just trying to scare me into leaving, and he went in spectate. Then about 5 mins later he came back and said "There, I got him banned, just wait a few mins" and I said "Vac bans take weeks." and someone else said "I thought they take months?" and then I suddenly was kicked from the server with the VAC popup thing saying that this is a secure server and i've been previously banned for acheating infraction. [img_thumb]http://i39.tinypic.com/ejy0xg.png[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i44.tinypic.com/2nrzs3l.png[/img_thumb] He was in this server: [url="connect://66.150.164.55:27015"]TheMaCHinE.org - Advanced Teamplay [HLStatsX][/url] Does anyone know if they're allowed to do this? Will a VAC ban like this not get changed just like other VAC bans? Before you say that I should have gotten banned, this goes against what VAC is designed to do. VAC checks for a program altering the EXE or core DLL files of the game, and then has a delayed ban. There are not supposed to be manual vac bans, I used to believe. I used a plugin - sourcemod, to make the client think that it is the server and allow certain cvars to be changed, which allowed me to use speedhacks USING CONSOLE COMMANDS and not a third-party program or DLL. This VAC ban was unfair and should not have happened. UPDATE: [editline][/editline] New information confirming my story (That's correct, this really DID happen.) Also, if the author of that site sees this, please remove that article, because I have nothing against STEAM and I don't want to be on an anti-Steam site. (Or edit the post and at least say I have nothing against Steam. I like steam. I like Valve, best developer IMO. I just don't like this guy for using his powers this way, and I don't like the fact that VAC bans can be manually added.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThndrShk2k;21904989]True enough, but the real issue is that the discussed cheat only works on servers that have that 3rd party plugin enabled. In literal terms, it's quite frankly the responsibility of the server operator to make sure that all modifications on the server do not allow such exploits. Because it's the responsibility of the server operator, Valve should have no part in punishing the offender, even if the modification is used by 99% of the servers, it's still a 3rd party modification. All in all, I don't care if he gets unbanned or not, as because of 99% of servers use the plugin, he won't be allowed on the one I play on to annoy us and make the admins waste at most 5 minutes banning him. I just wanted to clarify what appeared to me to be his side of the issue. Sometimes the dumb people need defending too.[/QUOTE] actually if you read what he said, he exploited a hole in that plugin, to run console commands on one that was not, by running a server with that plugin first.

[QUOTE=nekosune;21905178]actually if you read what he said, he exploited a hole in that plugin, to run console commands on one that was not, by running a server with that plugin first.[/QUOTE] If he was exploiting on a server not running the plugin then I completely misunderstand this exploit and misread things. Rate me boxes and books if so. And the VAC ban is totally justified due to that as well. Also, if the issue is only "Valve employee manually banning people in VAC" isn't it called [B]Valve[/B] Anti-Cheat for a reason? Pretty sure it's their right. [editline]4:47pm est[/editline] VVV - Yeah, I misunderstood the entire situation, stupid me.

Thndr, you seem like a reasonable person, I accept your point, however the exploit/cheat/whatever still works even if the server doesn't have sourcemod installed on their server.

[QUOTE=Jag;21830255]I was using no external programs to modify my gameplay. I started a listen server using sourcemod and metamod, and used sm_cvar sv_cheats 1 to make my game think that cheats was on, then sm_cvar host_timescale # to change my speed. AKA, Console commands ONLY (with a plugin)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jag;21830369]It was sourcemod on my client. It works like this: You install sourcemod. You start a listen server which loads sourcemod. You join another server. You use "sm_cvar" to change convars client-side (The plugin still thinks that you are the server, and allows you to change it for yourself) That's it. No third party programs, just an exploit that's been in sourcemod forever. [/QUOTE] Just to keep how it was done fresh so people do not assume it was exploit of a server plugin

Edit: It seems nekosune found the post and quoted it directly above this post, I'm replying to the method described in that quote. Yeah, turning on cheat mode for yourself only in a no-cheat server is cheating quite plainly. Also, since you had to type in console commands into a plugin to make the exploit work, you can't do it by accident, so they have all the proof they need, intent, and action.

[QUOTE=gaming04;21901560]Jag, if you had been the admin of the server, the employee would have dismissed your SPEED ADVANTAGE and would GO PLAY ON A DIFFERENT SERVER. As a matter of fact, Jag, it is human who made machine. Like gods to human, we are only as perfect as they make us. A machine cannot do more than what it is made for. Can a sewing machine make a nuclear weapon? Can a can-opener cut down trees? Can a windmill push back the wind? And lastly, can a man become a god? Jag, enough digging into philosophy. A part of being a man is taking a loss, proudly. Do you know why? Because a man can always stand up after he falls. The question is, can you?[/QUOTE] I just loved what this man said, In simpler terms if you cannot understand it. [B]MOVE ON.[/B]

[QUOTE=nekosune;21907423]Just to keep how it was done fresh so people do not assume it was exploit of a server plugin[/QUOTE] "No third party plugins." Bullshit. Sourcemod isn't Valve-made.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;21923894]"No third party plugins." Bullshit. Sourcemod isn't Valve-made.[/QUOTE] I agree, I was just pointing out he was not exploiting a plugin on the server, he was exploiting a plugin he installed on his own machine. which makes a VAC ban even more justified.