vac shouldn't ban for exploiting plugins. First of all, vac is only for detecting program alterations. The employee used vac ban for something it wasn't meant to deal with, in essence, vac admin-abusing.
These exploiters should be dealt with by server administrators. They are the ones who put sourcemod on their server, knowing that being a 3rd party modification, there may be problems.
You definitely have a case. Vac doesn't deal with exploits for a 3rd party modification. Vac subjectively bans hacks by 3rd party code that affect the game itself. The employee banned objectively; playing admin on a privately owned server.
It could be a server ban that looks like a VAC ban.
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[QUOTE=Omolong;21831169]It could be a server ban that looks like a VAC ban.[/QUOTE]
Sir, have a bad reading.
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[QUOTE=FHamster;21831145]vac shouldn't ban for exploiting plugins. First of all, vac is only for detecting program alterations. The employee used vac ban for something it wasn't meant to deal with, in essence, vac admin-abusing.
These exploiters should be dealt with by server administrators. They are the ones who put sourcemod on their server, knowing that being a 3rd party modification, there may be problems.
You definitely have a case. Vac doesn't deal with exploits for a 3rd party modification. Vac subjectively bans hacks by 3rd party code that affect the game itself. The employee banned objectively; playing admin on a privately owned server.[/QUOTE]
A person that knows what they're talking about. :smile:
[QUOTE=Magman77;21831172]Sir, have a bad reading.[/QUOTE]
You do know that has happened before? And seeing as we can't see his account, how can we prove it?
So, you don't see that list of servers at the top that are blocked for that user? :v:
[QUOTE=Omolong;21831207]You do know that has happened before? And seeing as we can't see his account, how can we prove it?[/QUOTE]
I think op checked this with other vac secure server. You did... right?
You have to realize though, that admin couldn't have known it was an exploit or a hack. All he knew is that you were moving way too fast and cheating some how.
[QUOTE=jetboy;21831259]You have to realize though, that admin couldn't have known it was an exploit or a hack. All he knew is that you were moving way too fast and cheating some how.[/QUOTE]
Either way, valve employees shouldn't be using an antihack system designed to prevent hacking to vac ban people cheating on private servers. If vac detects a hack, it will ban the player. There is no needs for manual bans unless there is significant proof that a player is altering the game files to hack in a way that vac cannot detect.
Furthermore, random employees shouldn't have access vacban at all. The proper course of action should have been to contact a server admin.
Jag, you were cheating. Which is retarted, if you really suck that hard that you have to cheat. Stop playing.
No matter how much you cry and kick around, you deserved it.
"BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW BUT IH WHUZ USING ONLI SORZE EXXPLOIIIITS"
Well tough shit, you are VAC banned anyway. Deal with it
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You deserve that VAC ban IMO. It doesn't matter if it was a hack or exploit ,you cheated either way.
In the words of the Engineer "That's what ya get"
Wow this thread is full of retards. VAC isn't some Internet police that bans cheaters arbitrarily, it's an automated system that detects changes to .dll and .exe-files. It may be wrong and retarded to cheat, but this is NOT a VAC-bannable offence. A Valve employee abused the VAC-system by putting in a manual ban without evidence and you're defending it?
I don't think VAC works that way.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;21831910]Wow this thread is full of retards. VAC isn't some Internet police that bans cheaters arbitrarily, it's an automated system that detects changes to .dll and .exe-files. It may be wrong and retarded to cheat, but this is NOT a VAC-bannable offence. [B]A Valve employee abused the VAC-system by putting in a manual ban without evidence and you're defending it?[/B][/QUOTE]
The evidence was the fact that he was moving around much faster than he should. If I was a valve employee, I would of banned him. heck, pretty much EVERYONE would.
Your argument about someone using the infinite buildings exploit is invalid too. That was a bug accessed by just creating a bind with unexpected arguments; you installed sourcemod and directly accessed cvars that clients are specifically blocked from accessing normally.
Your behaviour was quite clearly cheating, and you used external code to do it - even if it was a "tolerated" plugin. Whether you think that using VAC to impart arbitrary bans is fair or not, it doesn't matter because your ban is for precisely the reason VAC exists in the first place.
Besides, someone that cheats in an online game has forfeit their right to talk about what's "fair".
[QUOTE=subenji99;21832064]Your argument about someone using the infinite buildings exploit is invalid too. That was a bug accessed by just creating a bind with unexpected arguments; you installed sourcemod and directly accessed cvars that clients are specifically blocked from accessing normally.
Your behaviour was quite clearly cheating, and you used external code to do it - even if it was a "tolerated" plugin. Whether you think that using VAC to impart arbitrary bans is fair or not, it doesn't matter because your ban is for precisely the reason VAC exists in the first place.
Besides, someone that cheats in an online game has forfeit their right to talk about what's "fair".[/QUOTE]
The best part of this post is "Besides, someone that cheats in an online game has forfeit their right to talk about what's "fair"."".
You're a little cheating shit. Don't cry, take what you deserved.
[QUOTE=Benlecyborg;21832507]Hang on. Even though he deserved this, he is merely using an exploit using sourcemod. It is not a hack but it can be used to gain an unfair advantage. A while back there was a discussion on this and it was found out that it was Valve's problem and that they just need to fix it. Even though he is a cheating little shit, this Valve employee abused his power to get this person banned without any evidence of him using actual speedhacks and not an exploit. I would be furious in this position as I have a lot of games on my account, although I wouldn't cheat.. ever. So in my conclusion I think that if he was using actual hacks then he deserved it but as he wasn't then he didn't. Of course he could be lying about the whole thing and is just trying to make up an excuse, if he is at least it is better than "my dog accidentally downloaded hacks, opened a game and joined a server".[/QUOTE]
You would be furious you got caught cheating using a plugin just because it isn't a detectable kind of cheat?
okay.
[QUOTE=Benlecyborg;21832576]Ugh. I'm not talking about this on a matter of morals. VAC is meant to be an automated system, it makes you worry if Valve employees can just ban you for anything they want and you can't do shit about it.
Basically it would be like banning for a material hack, it isn't really a hack but allows you to gain an advantage.
And sourcemod isn't a hack and it certainly shouldn't be detectable.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck do you know what VAC is "meant to be".
You guys are being retarded. He got VAC banned for NOT HACKING. VAC BANNED FOR NOT HACKING. Get that through your head. As a fellow user of the EXPLOIT (NOT HACK), I think this is terrible and you have been wrongly VAC banned and that Valve would unban you if they knew of this mistake.
[QUOTE=Chin Fish;21832615]You guys are being retarded. He got VAC banned for NOT HACKING. VAC BANNED FOR NOT HACKING. Get that through your head. As a fellow user of the EXPLOIT (NOT HACK), I think this is terrible and you have been wrongly VAC banned and that Valve would unban you if they knew of this mistake.[/QUOTE]
So if we don't won't to be VAC banned we need to hack?
[QUOTE=Chin Fish;21832615]You guys are being retarded. He got VAC banned for NOT HACKING. VAC BANNED FOR NOT HACKING. Get that through your head. As a fellow user of the EXPLOIT (NOT HACK), I think this is terrible and you have been wrongly VAC banned and that Valve would unban you if they knew of this mistake.[/QUOTE]
how can you speedhack without cheating
OK now let's ignore the silly "HERP DERP CHEATER SCUM" argument and move on to the actual problem here
Can Valve employees VAC ban players? VAC does that on it's own, right?
I thought VAC bans are for CHEATING. Sure, he was not HACKING. But he was CHEATING, and ruining the game for every opponent he killed. I think the ban was rightful.
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Is there any way to end a VAC ban?
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VAC bans as of 2004 are PERMANENT, VALVe used temporary bans in the past, found them to be ineffective and hence made them permanent.
There is no way to reverse a ban, It doesn't matter whether you tell steam support, got hijacked or let your little brother on unsupervised the fact is you are stuck with the ban.[/QUOTE]you will never get unbanned, don't even try
So apparently you changed the timescale, which let you move faster as the server was processing more ticks per second, but apparently the Valve employee didn't notice he was moving as fast as you?
What a load of bullshit. You deserve that ban for speedhacking.
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Yes, but that's banning your account. A VAC ban can't be done by a Valve employee. They terminate accounts and shit. I'm thinking maybe he got VAC banned then decided to come up with a fun story to get unbanned. But it backfired 'cause Facepunch decided to be a bunch of MORALFAG HEROES OF JUSTICE.
And to clarify, there's a difference between an account ban and a VAC ban.
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He got Garry's mod.
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