VAC banned by a Valve employee! - Games

[QUOTE=GunskiMod;21830270]I don't think exploits should get you banned. Email Valve?[/QUOTE] There's a difference between an exploit and a third-party modification to the game that allows restricted console commands to be activated. If you're going to cheat, sourcemod or not, do it on servers were Valve employees aren't playing. Better yet, don't bother in the first place. Speedhacks are stupid unless you're fucking around on a private server because everyone can plainly see you're cheating. Also, the whole "Soucemod is an exploit, not a hack" thing isn't quite too valid. You're still accessing restricted commands which doesn't make Valve very happy. It's the same thing actual cheat engines, that modify the dll/exe, can do.

Just remember: While they usually don't unban people it doesn't mean that they CAN'T. Don't give up because this is bullshit and you shouldn't accept it.

Exploit in an unofficial plugin, nuff said.

[QUOTE=Jag;21849555]Please read the thread before you make assumptions. "can ban you on site instead of just having a normal VAC ban take effect with a huge delay... " This is UNBANNABLE BY VAC normally, which is why it's so bad. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;21839099] It's MOSTLY automated because Valve employees can't be arsed to view thousands upon thousands of recordings, emails and screenshots to ban specific players, it's easier just to have it ban modified .exes/.dlls upon detection [highlight]with the added ability to manually ban people for things such as Sourcemod speed-cheats.[/highlight][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;21850722]Well.. OP is right, doesn't matter he was cheating or not, the problem is: valve banned someone for exploiting, VAC is supposed to be automatic and human-proof, it's supposed to operate without errors, entirely on it's own, the fact someone banned him for exploiting is a huge abuse. The right thing to do is fix the loophole, not ban the user for exploiting a poorly-writen system. VAC is supposed to ban whoever modifies the engine with cheat injecting DLL's, if we follow the same logic to what happened with the OP, millions should be banned for building multiple sentries "just because they were cheating and should deal with it", and that doesn't make any sense. tl;dr: Valve made a mistake, OP should be unbanned.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;21839099] It's MOSTLY automated because Valve employees can't be arsed to view thousands upon thousands of recordings, emails and screenshots to ban specific players, it's easier just to have it ban modified .exes/.dlls upon detection [highlight]with the added ability to manually ban people for things such as Sourcemod speed-cheats.[/highlight][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Porcupine162;21852836]VAC is supposed to be automated. How the fuck can an employee ban you, seriously.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;21839099] It's MOSTLY automated because Valve employees can't be arsed to view thousands upon thousands of recordings, emails and screenshots to ban specific players, it's easier just to have it ban modified .exes/.dlls upon detection [highlight]with the added ability to manually ban people for things such as Sourcemod speed-cheats.[/highlight][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luxy;21831960]The evidence was the fact that he was moving around much faster than he should. If I was a valve employee, I would of banned him. heck, pretty much EVERYONE would.[/QUOTE] He could've been an admin using a plugin to gain an advantage? Which is not bannable since you own the server and can do whatever the fuck you want.

you are a idiot for hacking [img]http://www.oo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ramsay3-thumb.jpg[/img]

OP can't win. He cheated, doesn't matter how, he just did and he's admitting it right now. You say that it was a wrongful ban but what was VAC designed for? Banning cheaters that make Valve's games unbearable to play. What did you do? You cheated and made the player not enjoy the game. All I'm trying to say is that you can't do anything about it. Also to the people who are defending the OP as-well, it's likely that you are cheaters also since a normal person would be saying "Oh thank god, one less cheater on Steam." If you do cheat I strongly suggest you stop before you get VAC banned like this guy. Doesn't matter if you think "Oh, I'm not hacking, it's just an EXPLOIT lololol" that's not what the person on the receiving end, that has the power to push a button to end your 'exploiting' days, will think. Think about it for just a second, is it really worth it?

should he not be banned from here also for cheating

[QUOTE=Giacomand;21856065]OP can't win. He cheated, doesn't matter how, he just did and he's admitting it right now. You say that it was a wrongful ban but what was VAC designed for? Banning cheaters that make Valve's games unbearable to play. What did you do? You cheated and made the player not enjoy the game. All I'm trying to say is that you can't do anything about it. Also to the people who are defending the OP as-well, it's likely that you are cheaters also since a normal person would be saying "Oh thank god, one less cheater on Steam." If you do cheat I strongly suggest you stop before you get VAC banned like this guy. Doesn't matter if you think "Oh, I'm not hacking, it's just an EXPLOIT lololol" that's not what the person on the receiving end, that has the power to push a button to end your 'exploiting' days, will think. Think about it for just a second, is it really worth it?[/QUOTE] I agree, i felt bad for op at first but i just realised he WAS cheating, even if he wasnt using a .dll or .exe.

What you're saying didn't happen. If it did happen then the person has a case. I know you're saying "what if" but until that happens I'm sure a trusted Valve employee should be allowed to VAC ban cheaters that ruin the game for everyone else.

A lot of live debate over this, which I really find surprising. First off, a plug-in is an external program. The only circumstance it would not count as an external program would be if said plug-in was designed by valve for the game in question. Being compatible with the plug-in system does not make any program count as internal programing. Secondly, cheating is cheating. You can argue about the method all day long, but exploiting a known bug is in fact considered cheating. Making multiple sentries was cheating, however, Valve chose on thier own to be forgiving in that case. This is not a rule it is kindness. Deliberately abusing a bug, glitch, or exploit in order to gain any sort of advantage in a game is cheating, just like hiding cards in poker and changing your character sheet when nobody is looking. Its hard or impossible to detect, but its still cheating. If VAC is not to be tampered with by employees and moderators, it would not HAVE a manual use function. The fact that it does have the ability to be used manually indicates that yes, Valve employees DO in fact have the authority to do that. Basically it comes down to that people want to allow this cheating to persist over technicalities, but put simply, any time you deliberately abuse any system to your advantage, you are 'technically' cheating, and fall neatly into the definition in the ToS as somebody who can be punished for it.

[QUOTE=Benlecyborg;21856566] Sure he was cheating but this is stupid as they have always had a policy of 'no reports because vac is automated[/QUOTE] Once again, VAC is MOSTLY automated to make it EASIER for Valve to deal with people who use .dll/.exe hacks without having to sort through thousands upon millions of reports, screenshots, videos, demos, or emails. They have every right to VAC ban people who are using hacks/exploits that are not detectable by VAC's automated system. Just because you can cheat the system doesn't mean you should.

[QUOTE=Jag;21830234]But it was just an exploit using sourcemod, lots of people use it, why don't they get banned?[/QUOTE] yeah you're right jack the ripper didn't get caught too we should all become serial killers then right?!?!?!?!??!?!?! :downs:

[QUOTE=Giacomand;21856626]What you're saying didn't happen. If it did happen then the person has a case. I know you're saying "what if" but until that happens I'm sure a trusted Valve employee should be allowed to VAC ban cheaters that ruin the game for everyone else.[/QUOTE] Shouldn't Valve employees also be banned because they join random TF2 servers with their experimental uber Valve weapons and ruin everyones experience? (except for those who have a sense of humor)

What about RMF? Can you get VAC'd for that too because it technically alters gameplay elements, so you can get up high places?

RMF? /caps

[QUOTE=g42;21855770]you are a idiot for [b]hacking[/b] [img_thumb]http://www.oo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ramsay3-thumb.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] :ramsay: [editline]07:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Technopath;21858337]Shouldn't Valve employees also be banned because they join random TF2 servers with their experimental uber Valve weapons and ruin everyones experience? (except for those who have a sense of humor)[/QUOTE] I agree.

[QUOTE=Dronaroid;21858070]yeah you're right jack the ripper didn't get caught too we should all become serial killers then right?!?!?!?!??!?!?! :downs:[/QUOTE] Sure, rape, murder, exploiting on TF2, all the same shit. VAC is not the guys personal ban-list, it's supposed to ban modifications on executables and engine DLL's. OP just exploited something, it's their job to fix it, it doesn't matter that he was cheating or not, [B]he was playing by the rules[/B].

Get more steam accounts, then when you get VAC'd on one youve got plenty of extras.

Currently laughing at the cheat and the cheat apologists. The apologists are probably worse than the OP in trying to justify it. Good to see someone at Valve doing their job.

Play by the Rules? You should go read the User Terms of Agreement. VAC is created to eliminate hackers. The employees are not hired to sit around all day. If VAC fails to eliminate a hacker, the employees are obligated to "PWN" the hacker. In OP's case, he argues that he only exploits a speed"hack". Away from his literary crime, he did not state how he treated other players in the server. Like those of you who argued that VAC employees take advantage of their powers, our OP did not state whether he did or did not take advantage of his exploit/hack. Therefore, invalidating your claims. I have never thought Sourcemod could "glitch" admin commands. But nevertheless, exploits are synonymous to glitches. Exploiting a glitch--already stated by the User Terms of Agreement--is punishable by law. It is your responsibility to report a glitch to the developers. OP did not choose to report the glitch and decides to exploit the glitch for his own advantage over other players. In this choice, he did not have the right to "carry an advantage". Unlike VAC employees, they are given the right to be advantageous, until stripped of it. You sir, OP, will have to appeal your case as: "Have not read the User Terms of Agreement." But I am sure you knew what you are dealing with when you decided to turn on the speed "hack."

[QUOTE=gaming04;21858981]I have never thought Sourcemod could "glitch" admin commands. But nevertheless, exploits are synonymous to glitches. Exploiting a glitch--already stated by the User Terms of Agreement--is punishable by law. It is your responsibility to report a glitch to the developers.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Valve know about this already.

It's unofficial! VAC ban is a way too cruel punishment.

>guy gets banned unfairly >hurp durr it's okay he wuz just a cheeter good thing he got banderd!!

What I understand, he used a cvar command host_timescale in order to make a kind of "speed hack" so it can be a cheat in a server "own's rules". But it shouldn't be a VAC banned. What happen if an admin (by using sourcemod in his own server) enable the "noclip" command on himself, so you can consider as a cheat ?... right ? In general, defining exactly the word cheat depends on... everybody... But, it is impossible to be VAC banned automatically because you don't modify any Dll/Exe files. So, if we take the same example as above but with a Valve employee playing in a server with an admin enable the "noclip", what will happen next ? VAC Ban or not ? Or, I thought you can't report someone who was "cheating" in a server to make him a VAC ban, so ? In general, using/changing a cvar command can be considered as a "cheat" (like modifying gravity for example)? What do you think ?

[QUOTE=PlasmaDan;21859748]>guy gets banned unfairly >hurp durr it's okay he wuz just a cheeter good thing he got banderd!![/QUOTE] Unfairly? So what the mod was actually there, He was still going against VAC toa. He would have gotten it sooner or later anyways.

[QUOTE=Fightspit;21859806]What I understand, he used a cvar command host_timescale in order to make a kind of "speed hack" so it can be a cheat in a server "own's rules". But it shouldn't be a VAC banned. What happen if an admin (by using sourcemod in his own server) enable the "noclip" command on himself, so you can consider as a cheat ?... right ? In general, defining exactly the word cheat depends on... everybody... But, it is impossible to be VAC banned automatically because you don't modify any Dll/Exe files. So, if we take the same example as above but with a Valve employee playing in a server with an admin enable the "noclip", what will happen next ? VAC Ban or not ? Or, I thought you can't report someone who was "cheating" in a server to make him a VAC ban, so ? In general, using/changing a cvar command can be considered as a "cheat" (like modifying gravity for example)? What do you think ?[/QUOTE] What I think, is that it all comes down to the RIGHT to use those commands. An admin has the right to abuse his OWN server all he wants. Do I have to explain what rights a player have in another person's server?

Why dont you at least provide a link to your steam profile so we at least can believe you?

[QUOTE]If you find that you are banned from a large number of servers but your VAC status is in good standing, you have likely been banned by a third-party ban tool, such as Steambans or Punkbuster. These third-party tools are used by a large number of servers sharing a common database of banned ID's. These tools are unrelated to Steam and we cannot assist you in resolving this issue. [B]You will not be banned by the VAC system unless you login to a VAC-secure server with a cheat installed on your computer.[/B] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]While server admins may choose to ban specific players, [B]server admins cannot VAC ban players. The VAC system is automated[/B] - contacting Steam Support to report cheaters is not necessary, nor will Steam Support act on any information provided. The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. [B]Any third-party modification to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. [/B]This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries. [/QUOTE] Was Sourcemod designed for cheating or giving advantages? I think not.

[QUOTE=KarmaPolice;21840630]The difference is that an exploit in SourceMod is not an exploit in TF2. Unlike the engie exploit, it IS third-party software and modifies the game. Since it's not running server-side, it's running client-side and fooling the server, it's no better than a hack, and the only reason VAC doesn't normally ban you for it is because Valve can't tell whether you're running it for server purposes or bypassing sv_cheats. tl;dr cry some fucking more[/QUOTE] This man is smart, his name is a coincidence, and his words are truth.