i have the best results in ranked from 1am onwards, most of the kiddies have gone to bed by then
God damn it.
Lost like 5 ranked losses straight due to team mates (literally), and now the past two games are losses solely due to me (well, probably second loss now due to me since I panick picked Annie top..).
This fucking sucks hard.
Maybe you guys can help me out. I'm used to laning top as Renekton, and he's melee so I assumed Vi would be more or less the same. Problem is, on Renekton even if I'm using pure dps masteries and arpen/ad runes, I don't feel squishy at all. But on Vi, even if i run 15/13/4 or something instead of 21/9/0, I feel so squishy. It might be because renekton's got some sustain and a gap closer, but I have a much easier time with him. Granted, I've also played him for about 400 games, and three games with Vi.
Any tips for Vi top (or any melee bruiser, for that matter)? Build order, etc. I know the skill order (R >E > Q > W)
[QUOTE=Daniellynet;39901919]God damn it.
Lost like 5 ranked losses straight due to team mates (literally), and now the past two games are losses solely due to me (well, probably second loss now due to me since I panick picked Annie top..).
This fucking sucks hard.[/QUOTE]
Stop playing ranked on 2 loss streaks
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39901927]Maybe you guys can help me out. I'm used to laning top as Renekton, and he's melee so I assumed Vi would be more or less the same. Problem is, on Renekton even if I'm using pure dps masteries and arpen/ad runes, I don't feel squishy at all. But on Vi, even if i run 15/13/4 or something instead of 21/9/0, I feel so squishy. It might be because renekton's got some sustain and a gap closer, but I have a much easier time with him. Granted, I've also played him for about 400 games, and three games with Vi.
Any tips for Vi top (or any melee bruiser, for that matter)? Build order, etc. I know the skill order (R >E > Q > W)[/QUOTE]
Vi top is bad, no sustain. Play her jangle.
Her jungle is actually really fun, from the two games I tried it. Q makes you obnoxiously mobile. The only downside is that until you hit 6 your gank potential isn't great. Sure you can land a Q but that's all the CC you have. And even if I get double buffed and gank by like 2:55 or whatever her clear time is, I don't bring a ton to the table. or I'm completely wrong and not judging her abilities correctly.
and seriously excessive blows is so goddamn fun
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902069]Her jungle is actually really fun, from the two games I tried it. Q makes you obnoxiously mobile. The only downside is that until you hit 6 your gank potential isn't great. Sure you can land a Q but that's all the CC you have. And even if I get double buffed and gank by like 2:55 or whatever her clear time is, I don't bring a ton to the table. or I'm completely wrong and not judging her abilities correctly.
and seriously excessive blows is so goddamn fun[/QUOTE]
What are you on about? Her pre-6 ganks are good.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902069]Her jungle is actually really fun, from the two games I tried it. Q makes you obnoxiously mobile. The only downside is that until you hit 6 your gank potential isn't great. Sure you can land a Q but that's all the CC you have. And even if I get double buffed and gank by like 2:55 or whatever her clear time is, I don't bring a ton to the table. or I'm completely wrong and not judging her abilities correctly.
and seriously excessive blows is so goddamn fun[/QUOTE]
Her E is an AA reset you can easily proc excessive blows and burst someone hard if you land Q > E > AA reset.
also (and I'm ashamed to admit this) i don't really know what my jungle path should be...the last two games I just kind of winged it but it wasn't super efficient. i kept up in levels but we also had a top and mid who were just destroying their lanes...
what's my order? I think last time i went wraiths directly to red buff then golems then back, then wolves and blue then gank top. that is not the best path, i imagine. i'd think maybe wraiths to wolves to blue but that's probably not right either. i've never been good at this. (honestly the last time i jungled was in like...may.)
Compared to her most recent comparison (Warwick) her pre-6 ganks are actually worthwhile.
All about team comp though
[QUOTE=K0ppel;39902088]Her E is an AA reset you can easily proc excessive blows and burst someone hard if you land Q > E > AA reset.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean denting blows. Q doesn't proc it, though. and neither does the ult. so i'd have to Q > aa > e reset > aa, but at that point i'm out of CC (Q is the only one) and they'll just run away.
i'm not good at jungling (or the game, realistically) so maybe I'm just wrong, but that's been my experience so far.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902093]also (and I'm ashamed to admit this) i don't really know what my jungle path should be...the last two games I just kind of winged it but it wasn't super efficient. i kept up in levels but we also had a top and mid who were just destroying their lanes...
what's my order? I think last time i went wraiths directly to red buff then golems then back, then wolves and blue then gank top. that is not the best path, i imagine. i'd think maybe wraiths to wolves to blue but that's probably not right either. i've never been good at this. (honestly the last time i jungled was in like...may.)[/QUOTE]
Wolves>blue>red>wraiths>gank/golems
pretty standard path if you don't want to do anything risky
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[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902112]I think you mean denting blows. Q doesn't proc it, though. and neither does the ult. so i'd have to Q > aa > e reset > aa, but at that point i'm out of CC (Q is the only one) and they'll just run away.
i'm not good at jungling (or the game, realistically) so maybe I'm just wrong, but that's been my experience so far.[/QUOTE]
Q does proc her passive.
Vault Breaker
FIRST CAST: Slows your movement speed by 15% while increasing damage and dash range over 1.25 seconds.
SECOND CAST: Vi dashes forward, dealing physical damage [I]and applying Denting Blows[/I] to all enemies hit. Vi stops upon colliding with an enemy champion, knocking it back. Vault Breaker deals 75% damage to minions and monsters.
Blast Shield is her passive. denting blows is her W, it's part of her burst. not her passive. afaik it's only procced by auto attacks. her ult used to proc it but they nerfed it because it was obnoxious.
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oh
i stand corrected then
Also your skill order is weq or wee depending on if you gank at level 3.
right right. i'm assuming flash/smite, as usual.
does she really need to smite her first buff golem? seems like she can do enough burst without it...although i don't know what else you'd use it on so it might not matter.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902112]I think you mean denting blows. Q doesn't proc it, though. and neither does the ult. so i'd have to Q > aa > e reset > aa, but at that point i'm out of CC (Q is the only one) and they'll just run away.
i'm not good at jungling (or the game, realistically) so maybe I'm just wrong, but that's been my experience so far.[/QUOTE]
have you even played vi
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902187]right right. i'm assuming flash/smite, as usual.
does she really need to smite her first buff golem? seems like she can do enough burst without it...although i don't know what else you'd use it on so it might not matter.[/QUOTE]
the more general question is "do you always need to smite your first buff" and it depends on how hard of a leash you get and if it's contested, really. who you're playing doesn't really matter as much
okey doke, thanks.
and yes i get that i'm asking stupid questions but some of us just aren't good. i've accepted that, don't be a dick about it.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902187]right right. i'm assuming flash/smite, as usual.
does she really need to smite her first buff golem? seems like she can do enough burst without it...although i don't know what else you'd use it on so it might not matter.[/QUOTE]
You can solo it without smiting. You do it smiteless then go straight to red.
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Yeah if they try to contest then smite it. It's better to get red later than not have a blue.
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Oh and if you smite first blue then go wolves>blue>wraiths>golems>red. Skip golems if your smite comes up.
vi's jungle is so fast and safe
you go 21/9 and take no damage lol
[QUOTE=Feralicous;39901996]Stop playing ranked on 2 loss streaks[/QUOTE]
I've been losing normals and fucking ranked for three days straight now.
Well, the match went worse than I expected, although a lot better than I expected from my side at least.
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Jarvan also pointed out Ez items (didn't see it before he pointed it out). LW against a team that buys basically 0 armor. Eh, ok.
Had a long chat with Jarvan after the (edit: noticed I re-took a picture after he left, nvm then). Nice fella.
i get last whisper on ez, but not IMMEDIATELY. who does that
Guess I'll put ranked on hold until I am fresh in the weekend or unless I go to bed early today.
I blame the games today on me. Only slept ~2 hours last night.
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[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902375]i get last whisper on ez, but not IMMEDIATELY. who does that[/QUOTE]
Better than my past two days where the team went in 1v5 3-5 times straight and threw the game and made us lose for like 4-5 matches.
[QUOTE=WTF Nuke;39902049]Vi top is bad, no sustain. Play her jangle.[/QUOTE]
thats like saying darius top is bad because of no sustain
but yeah i like her more in the jungle
the thing about jungle vi is that you start with W, usually. but you can't benefit from your passive with W because W is passive also. so you get no blast shield until you get an activated ability. weird.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;39902549]the thing about jungle vi is that you start with W, usually. but you can't benefit from your passive with W because W is passive also. so you get no blast shield until you get an activated ability. weird.[/QUOTE]
I go E first
I've noticed 0 difference in wolves/blue clear times and you take less damage.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/MgR00l1.png[/img]
:D
Tried Blitz for the first time.
That was hilarious.
Spent the whole game pressing SHIFT+4 to laugh. Even gave kills to the enemy for the heck of it since we were winning.
is tristana one of the strongest ADC or is she a pubstomper or are my opponents just way worse than me?
even if i lose i still do well personally when playing her
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