Singleplayer Is Disappointing - Games

[QUOTE=Espio;29110360] Again, this game is a sandbox, there are no goals, there will never be any goals, that's the point of it being a sandbox [/QUOTE] If that's the case then why is it called [b]survival[/b]? If survival was meant to be a sandbox with no goals or sense of danger then why is it called survival? [QUOTE=Espio;29110360] Perhaps what you need to do is be creative, as the only goal there will ever be is what you set yourself to do (did I mention about it being a sandbox? that means YOU can set yourself things to do!) [/QUOTE] Yeesh quit it with that argument already, this is like the 5th time it's been posted.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29110382]If that's the case then why is it called [b]survival[/b]? If survival was meant to be a sandbox with no goals or sense of danger then why is it called survival? Yeesh quit it with that argument already, this is like the 5th time it's been posted.[/QUOTE] Because it has enemies that try to kill you at night or in the dark? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29109951]Uh well once you collect those blocks you win, so i wouldn't complain. The game would end and i would have a sense of accomplishment, unlike what i have currently: A big base made of rock and a few chests full of stuff i'll never use.[/QUOTE] But the game isn't about winning. There are no win conditions. You do whatever you want with the resources you can gather. If you don't have a good enough imagination to keep yourself entertained that's your problem.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;29110454]But the game isn't about winning. There are no win conditions. You do whatever you want with the resources you can gather. If you don't have a good enough imagination to keep yourself entertained that's your problem.[/QUOTE] That's precisely the problem - the name 'survival' suggests that the goal is to survive, but since death doesn't do anything except respawn you somewhere else... It's really not a survival game at all. It's just a sandbox. I'm among the people that would enjoy themselves more if there was a singleplayer game that had some sort of win condition. Because building contraptions and sculptures that only I can see is really not very exciting to me. I'd rather just play multiplayer since i can at least show off my stuff to others. This brings me back one of my main points: SP is just MP but more boring.

They should make it so all mobs can break your blocks. It would at least add a bit more difficulty to surviving I guess.

I don't mind the lack of a goal ( since I just like building ), but I feel that SP leaves me lonely even with the wolves. I like playing with other players, it makes building things easier and more entertaining.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29110382]If that's the case then why is it called [b]survival[/b]? If survival was meant to be a sandbox with no goals or sense of danger then why is it called survival? [/QUOTE] [quote]Minecraft is a game about placing blocks to build anything you can imagine. At night monsters come out, make sure to build a shelter before that happens.[/quote] Where is it even called survival I can only see the description being about a sandbox game with enemies [B]edit;[/B] OH I get it now, you're talking about the gamemode being called survival, yes, a survival mode in a sandbox game is literally just sandbox with a health bar and something to make that health bar go down in the description page it does say he is eventually adding a goal to survival but yeah for now it's just sandbox with some enemies, the only goal being what you want to build

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;29107745]Theres not supposed to be any clear goal in survival, adventure mode will be for that.[/QUOTE] Except that Adventure Mode will never be released because Notch will get bored while coding it and code a taco into the game instead.

You need a challenge? Wait for the achievements to be released so you'll actually have a goal to go after, I find it fun and interesting to build and survive, oh; And when I die, I instantly either start all over or ragequit (For about an hour. Then it's back to building :v:) [sp]I am most likely late, too.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Nacho Cheese;29108824]I think single-player might be disappointing to you because you lack the creativity required to play Minecraft on your own, you require others to think for you.[/QUOTE] I think you maybe need to stop getting so defensive and insulting people over having a different opinion. If he prefers MP that's his call, it's not like keyboard confrontation is going to change that.

If you can't enjoy creating something without validation from someone else, you're not very creative.

Ok fine here's a goal. You have to build a tower from the bottom of the earth to the top of the skybox using nothing but diamond blocks. You can only use diamonds from caves and you have to play on hard mode. If you die you have to delete your save and start over. This should keep you occupied for a while.

[QUOTE=Drasnus;29111142]If you can't enjoy creating something without validation from someone else, you're not very creative.[/QUOTE] I don't need validation, but it's infinitely more fun to share your creativity with other people. The social aspect of minecraft is one of its biggest appeals.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29108955]Explain to me why i should make a big sculpture in singleplayer when i could do it in multiplayer. In multiplayer, people actually SEE what i'm creating and can even partake in making it. In singleplayer, it doesn't even serve a purpose and nobody but me sees it. So why the fuck would i even bother? This isn't a lack of imagination, it's a lack of reason to do anything. Multiplayer is literally an upgrade from singleplayer and anything you can do in singleplayer is likely more fun to do in multiplayer.[/QUOTE] Take a screenshot / video & post it to the forums.

yeah that's a huge waste of effort when i could just make it in a server where a bunch of people already are. plus they can actively climb around on it and examine it from any angle. there is literally no reason to play SP if you can play MP.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29108955]Explain to me why i should make a big sculpture in singleplayer when i could do it in multiplayer. In multiplayer, people actually SEE what i'm creating and can even partake in making it. In singleplayer, it doesn't even serve a purpose and nobody but me sees it. So why the fuck would i even bother? This isn't a lack of imagination, it's a lack of reason to do anything. Multiplayer is literally an upgrade from singleplayer and anything you can do in singleplayer is likely more fun to do in multiplayer.[/QUOTE] Why are you arguing your point? Stop playing if you don't like it instead of complaining like a bitch. [editline]11th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MerzBro;29108991]Wow, and someone told me this forum wasn't chock full of annoying fanboys who parrot the same stupid replies over and over. I have plenty of imagination, i've built countless things in multiplayer. I'm saying there's no reason to make them in singleplayer because nobody gets to see what you've created, and building intricate sculptures is literally a waste of time since they serve no purpose as far as survival is concerned. There's a reason it's called survival. You're supposed to try and survive. The problem is that it's retardedly easy to survive and there's no real challenge at all. If you have to continually trip yourself in the hopes that it makes the game harder then in my mind something needs to be changed. If a game like CoD didn't have an objective would you tell the player to continually throw grenades at himself to give himself something to do? Because that's essentially the argument you are all using.[/QUOTE] Try playing on hard then. If you play on peaceful then you aren't even trying to survive.

I generally like to terraform the nether.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29108346]My point is that singleplayer needs to be more than just a shitty version of multiplayer.[/QUOTE] Singleplayer came before Multiplayer, of course it feels obsolete. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;29112133]Why are you arguing your point? Stop playing if you don't like it instead of complaining like a bitch.[/quote] If anyone has a criticism about the game they are supposed to stop playing and never talk about the game? Do you have any idea how fanboyish your response sounds? [quote]Try playing on hard then. If you play on peaceful then you aren't even trying to survive.[/QUOTE] i've always played on hard, and it's not hard at all. [qUOTE=Maximo13;29112444]Singleplayer came before Multiplayer, of course it feels obsolete. Deal with it.[/QUOTE] well nothing is stopping them from adding new features to SP...

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29112943]If anyone has a criticism about the game they are supposed to stop playing and never talk about the game? Do you have any idea how fanboyish your response sounds? i've always played on hard, and it's not hard at all. well nothing is stopping them from adding new features to SP...[/QUOTE] New features are being added.

You're looking at this all wrong. Single player isn't multiplayer with no one else, the game was built as a singleplayer game. Multiplayer is singleplayer with more people, it's exactly the same (bugs aside) to the singleplayer but with more people. Whatever gets added to singleplayer is eventually added to multiplayer because they're SUPPOSED to be the same.

OP is lacking in [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/img] Imagination [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/img]

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29112943]If anyone has a criticism about the game they are supposed to stop playing and never talk about the game? Do you have any idea how fanboyish your response sounds? i've always played on hard, and it's not hard at all. well nothing is stopping them from adding new features to SP...[/QUOTE] You're not criticizing you are COMPLAINING. If you are going to complain about a game then why are you playing it.

So, if I can get this straight, you are making the argument that there is little value in playing by yourself and then sharing the results via a third-party form of media, survival isn't really survival, and you get bored easily because there is no set goal. I'm hoping that is the gist of it. I'll hit the play-by-self argument first. Here is the problem with the idea; no mods. You advocate that on a server, you can do anything in single player, but you can play with other minecrafters along with show off your projects and get insta-gratification instead of posting media. If you are going to argue the mods aspect in single player, you must do so as well for the server-side aspect. Lets take away all the mods servers use, and keep it bare-bones to what the game currently has. You've just lost the ability to protect anything you've built, protect the server itself from crashing constantly, and lost the ability to have a fair game in which cheaters aren't present. Is that still 'fun'? Are you fine with having your projects blown up as fast as you can build them, with an easily bypassable ban system? Are you happy with someone coming in and using scripts to spam the server to the point it overloads and crashes? You content with someone running around placing diamonds everywhere? I'd certainly hope not. So, false advertising is what you claim when you say survival isn't survival, right? Well, I didn't realize the game was out of beta ye... wait a second! You aren't challenging yourself. In a game that has a sandbox focus, you gotta set your own challenges; otherwise you would just be playing a game that tells you to go somewhere, grab something, and don't die along the way. Others have said it more directly: you lack creativity. While I don't completely agree with that notion, I do believe you lack the ability to imagine goals. Yeah, you might be able to imagine some 'kickass' fort, but you may not see any set goals to be achieved. Even if you want to get forced somewhere to continue the game, not everyone else has the linear requirement. However, the point isn't even a mute point, as the very next update will contain an achievement system. If you complete every achievement, you win; exactly what you've been talking about wanting. Singleplayer is playing by yourself in a protected environment. Yea, you aren't exposed to other players that you can get off with by them being able to give you instant feedback on something, but you also aren't exposed to griefers that are there to get fun out of misery. Everyone has different wants out of a particular thing, and in your case, you need to be led in a sandbox environment and you need instant gratification; or at least, that is what it sounds like. If that's the case, I recommend you just don't play SP.

He has a valid point that the single player needs more development , Notch admitted that himself, hence why he's was talking about working on making actual goals for you to aim at when you play

[QUOTE=tinhead50;29113554]So, if I can get this straight, you are making the argument that there is little value in playing by yourself and then sharing the results via a third-party form of media, survival isn't really survival, and you get bored easily because there is no set goal. I'm hoping that is the gist of it.[/quote] basically, yes. [quote]I'll hit the play-by-self argument first. Here is the problem with the idea; no mods. You advocate that on a server, you can do anything in single player, but you can play with other minecrafters along with show off your projects and get insta-gratification instead of posting media. If you are going to argue the mods aspect in single player, you must do so as well for the server-side aspect. Lets take away all the mods servers use, and keep it bare-bones to what the game currently has. You've just lost the ability to protect anything you've built, protect the server itself from crashing constantly, and lost the ability to have a fair game in which cheaters aren't present.[/quote] If you need to mod the hell out of your server just to make it playable then the only person at fault is Notch for making his game shitty and exploitable. [quote]Is that still 'fun'? Are you fine with having your projects blown up as fast as you can build them, with an easily bypassable ban system? Are you happy with someone coming in and using scripts to spam the server to the point it overloads and crashes? You content with someone running around placing diamonds everywhere? I'd certainly hope not.[/quote] You're assuming all servers are full of assholes who just grief 24/7 (maybe on the shit servers you visit this might be true, but the servers i visit are occupied by people who aren't idiots). [quote]So, false advertising is what you claim when you say survival isn't survival, right? Well, I didn't realize the game was out of beta ye... wait a second![/quote] This is another stupid argument. The game is essentially complete. Most of the core features are done. You can't dismiss a valid argument just because the game is "still in beta". Until Notch adds a gametype with an actual goal for people to strive towards (or should i say, IF he does), there will be criticism that survival is a mislabeling. Which it is. [quote]You aren't challenging yourself. In a game that has a sandbox focus, you gotta set your own challenges; otherwise you would just be playing a game that tells you to go somewhere, grab something, and don't die along the way. Others have said it more directly: you lack creativity. While I don't completely agree with that notion, I do believe you lack the ability to imagine goals.[/quote] The goal is to survive, as the name of the gamemode states. The problem is that survival is too easy and the only way to actually make it difficult is to purposely fuck yourself over by doing gimmicky things like visiting the nether and running around at night while all the hostile mobs spawn. Even if you die, you just respawn. There's no risk at all. [quote] If that's the case, I recommend you just don't play SP.[/QUOTE] Well that's a bad way of thinking about it. If there was a SP game that played differently than MP then the game would have a bigger lifespan. I'm arguing for more diversity in Minecraft to make the game more fun for a variety of people, something which nobody should be against.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29114207]basically, yes. If you need to mod the hell out of your server just to make it playable then the only person at fault is Notch for making his game shitty and exploitable. You're assuming all servers are full of assholes who just grief 24/7 (maybe on the shit servers you visit this might be true, but the servers i visit are occupied by people who aren't idiots). This is another stupid argument. The game is essentially complete. Most of the core features are done. You can't dismiss a valid argument just because the game is "still in beta". Until Notch adds a gametype with an actual goal for people to strive towards (or should i say, IF he does), there will be criticism that survival is a mislabeling. Which it is. [B]The goal is to survive, as the name of the gamemode states. The problem is that survival is too easy and the only way to actually make it difficult is to purposely fuck yourself over by doing gimmicky things like visiting the nether and running around at night while all the hostile mobs spawn. Even if you die, you just respawn. There's no risk at all. [/B] Well that's a bad way of thinking about it. If there was a SP game that played differently than MP then the game would have a bigger lifespan. I'm arguing for more diversity in Minecraft to make the game more fun for a variety of people, something which nobody should be against.[/QUOTE] So, do we stop playing all games, because when you die, you just respawn?

"Winning" Minecraft is the dumbest thing ever and I don't understand why people are still trying to argue for it. If you want goals, make your own goals. This is mostly a sandbox game where you're free to do whatever you want. Just because you don't have enough creativity to make goals for yourself and accomplish them and need the developer to tell you what to do, doesn't mean the game is pointless. Now I'm off to expand my floating wooden airship.

It may not be your game, it is a game after all, and if you don't like it enough to play it then don't. I don't think I would attempt to play it if there where goals.

I love to just build a town all to myself and then realize there isn't anyone to share it with, and then I become depressed and have to take my medicine.