Singleplayer Is Disappointing - Games

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29107689]The goal is to survive, which can be easily accomplished simply by making a hut of dirt on a mountain in 5 minutes and sitting there for eternity.[/QUOTE] Lol real life is so shit and easy. I can just sit at home all day and do nothing and I'll still make it at least to middle age! Good luck being a successful and self motivated person if you argue that you cannot set goals for yourself. ps. giving every counter argument dumbs doesn't make your argument better.

The problem here is on you, not the game

Okay, first let me say that at this point I'm going to try to keep my posts toward you as civilized and helpful as possible. [QUOTE=MerzBro;29120046]Actually, you used a combination of ad hominem and red herring, so my statement stands. :colbert:[/quote] I did not intend to draw attention away from the argument, I was using ad-hominem to discredit your claim. Which is still not proper argument, but not quite a red herring. [quote]Aaaaand you still respawn, which means you really haven't lost anything at all. All that's really happened is you've teleported somewhere else and (if you fall in lava) lost your items. The point i'm making is that the health system doesn't bring the element of danger or risk into the game. The only way there will ever be a real element of risk is if you have a limited number of lives.[/quote] As stated above, you can impose the restrictions upon yourself, such as having only Leather armor, or even make a mod to keep a counter of lives for you and delete the world after X deaths. The possibilities are limitless. [quote]these things help make it a more hostile environment, but that still doesn't solve the problem of the player not having a goal to strive towards (that is, if we are talking about a supposed new gamemode).[/quote] I believe that one of the fundamental reasons Minecraft is so successful is because its goal reflects the goal of humanity; to expand and create, in whatever way you see fit. As there is no limit to power, it's impossible to have "finished" expanding and creating unless you are personally satisfied with your achievements. This makes it a very personalized game where each person can set their own individual goals and challenges and follow through with them. However, I found a mod yesterday that I think you might be interested in. It's called AdventureCraft, and it basically turns Minecraft into an adventure RPG in which you go through dungeons battling creatures to attain treasure and such. In these levels you have set goals, maybe you would enjoy it? [url]http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=128281[/url] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDq5_UuOXpw[/media] [quote]Well he hired more people to work on it didn't he? We can hope they will add something like what i requested, or even make it possible to code if the modding API allows it.[/QUOTE] As you can see from AdventureCraft, there is actually a lot of potential already in modding Minecraft. Perhaps if you keep an eye out for mods, one will pop up that will fit your visions for the new gamemode.

[QUOTE=krail9;29123388]Lol real life is so shit and easy. I can just sit at home all day and do nothing and I'll still make it at least to middle age! Good luck being a successful and self motivated person if you argue that you cannot set goals for yourself.[/QUOTE] The point i am trying to make is that i want there to be a gamemode with an element of risk, which i have already proven does not exist in sandbox mode (and most people here have already confirmed that).

I've noticed the minecraft community gets really hostile when someone doesn't absolutely love the game as it is. This guy is just saying what he feels about minecraft singleplayer right now you dont have to attack him for it.

[QUOTE=_Twitch_;29127666] I did not intend to draw attention away from the argument, I was using ad-hominem to discredit your claim. Which is still not proper argument, but not quite a red herring.[/quote] Like it or not, you were using your ad-hominem argument to draw attention away from the actual discussion at hand... And intentionally using logical fallacies isn't really the way to go if you want to make a valid argument. [quote]As stated above, you can impose the restrictions upon yourself, [/quote] And as i have stated and restated, imposing arbitrary restrictions on myself is not something i want to do. i want there to be a gamemode with a REAL element of risk, one which takes skill to survive in. and preferably with a way of gauging my survival skills up against other people's (ie. using some sort of scoring system). None of this can be done through making up pretend restrictions. This has become somewhat of a circular argument so can we drop it now? both sides have repeated the same thing over and over. [quote]As you can see from AdventureCraft, there is actually a lot of potential already in modding Minecraft. Perhaps if you keep an eye out for mods, one will pop up that will fit your visions for the new gamemode.[/QUOTE] I'm going to wait until the modding API is completely fleshed out before i pass any judgement, i really hope i can make my idea a reality if Notch can't.

If you don't like the game, don't play it.

[QUOTE=krail9;29123388] ps. giving every counter argument dumbs doesn't make your argument better.[/QUOTE] You'll notice i only rate the pants-shitting retarded posts dumb. Because they are either Minecraft Zealots or just rubbish posts.

[QUOTE=CrabC;29127825]I've noticed the minecraft community gets really hostile when someone doesn't absolutely love the game as it is. This guy is just saying what he feels about minecraft singleplayer right now you dont have to attack him for it.[/QUOTE] But we've retorted against and given solutions to all of his problems and he's still using the same arguments over and over again.

Then why bother talking to a wall?

[QUOTE=Nacho Cheese;29127994]But we've retorted against and given solutions to all of his problems and he's still using the same arguments over and over again.[/QUOTE] Actually i've given some valid reasons as well as explanations to everything so far. The long and short of it is that I HOPE someday Notch adds a true survival mode but since he's up to his tits in bugs and whatnot i doubt it'll happen. So the best we can hope for is a modding API.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29127920]Like it or not, you were using your ad-hominem argument to draw attention away from the actual discussion at hand... And intentionally using logical fallacies isn't really the way to go if you want to make a valid argument.[/quote] Alright, let's rewind a little.. [quote]Thanks for your utterly useless advice on the matter. It seems [b]you're obviously too angry to maintain a level of maturity in this discussion.[/b][/quote] I was answering ad-hominem with ad-hominem, and it's still not a red herring. I do admit though, that I was getting frustrated and shouldn't have included it. [quote]And as i have stated and restated, imposing arbitrary restrictions on myself is not something i want to do. i want there to be a gamemode with a REAL element of risk, one which takes skill to survive in. and preferably with a way of gauging my survival skills up against other people's (ie. using some sort of scoring system). None of this can be done through making up pretend restrictions.[/quote] From this paragraph it seems that the gamemode you're envisioning is one in which one is capable of being measurably [i]better[/i] than someone else. From this I'm drawing the conclusion that your personal achievement comes from taking up someone's challenge and doing it better than others, putting yourself above them. That is why you cannot enjoy Minecraft as it is; you want only to win, not to play. Am I right in thinking this? [quote]This has become somewhat of a circular argument so can we drop it now? both sides have repeated the same thing over and over.[/quote] I was trying to help you by showing you AdventureCraft. You didn't even give any feedback as to whether it's even close to what you wanted. [quote]I'm going to wait until the modding API is completely fleshed out before i pass any judgement, i really hope i can make my idea a reality if Notch can't.[/QUOTE] I hope you can make it a reality too. I don't think you'll find what you want from Minecraft, but with the way games are evolving there's sure to be a game out there that fits your specifications eventually.

[QUOTE=_Twitch_;29128165] I was answering ad-hominem with ad-hominem, and it's still not a red herring.[/quote] Any argument that draws attention away from the real discussion is a red herring and since your post did that it can be classified as such. Google it if you want... [quote]From this paragraph it seems that the gamemode you're envisioning is one in which one is capable of being measurably [i]better[/i] than someone else. From this I'm drawing the conclusion that your personal achievement comes from taking up someone's challenge and doing it better than others, putting yourself above them. That is why you cannot enjoy Minecraft as it is; you want only to win, not to play. Am I right in thinking this?[/quote] Who's to say we can't have both? A gamemode where you get a score at the end, and a gamemode which has no goal (sandbox). [quote]I was trying to help you by showing you AdventureCraft. You didn't even give any feedback as to whether it's even close to what you wanted.[/quote] It adds more stuff to do but no true goal... It might be fun to dick around with but ultimately not what i was looking for. I have a feeling i will have to code things myself once the api comes out.

You better make something good if you're THAT disappointed with single player Minecraft.

Also, the game is only in BETA. It's not meant to be a finished product, To be honest, we're lucky we get to play it as is, and in most people's opinion, it is already better than most full-priced retail games on the market. Go look in the top-left corner next time you play. It's a beta. Wait until full release.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29128222]It adds more stuff to do but no true goal... It might be fun to dick around with but ultimately not what i was looking for. I have a feeling i will have to code things myself once the api comes out.[/QUOTE] Alright. I thought doing the fastest speedrun of a dungeon would be a nice goal but I suppose that is still just dicking around in a cave. Fair enough. [quote]Who's to say we can't have both? A gamemode where you get a score at the end, and a gamemode which has no goal (sandbox).[/quote] That's true. Do you have any specific ideas for what this gamemode could be about? Maybe if some details are drawn together, you could send the idea to Notch and get his opinion.

Yes yes you're all very pretty. Can we stop now?

Like I said, instead of making yourself look like an asshole and arguing constantly, you could just play another game, or if you still can't let go of your beloved Minecraft, then download some adventure maps.

multi-player is good if your really building like a huge ass city

I'd argue but people have just ignored my arguments and they're just bashing MerzBro even if he has a point and you're refusing to recognise it.

The whole point of Minecraft is the same point of Lego, you build whatever shit you want.

[QUOTE=MerzBro;29127941]You'll notice i only rate the pants-shitting retarded posts dumb. Because they are either Minecraft Zealots or just rubbish posts.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? I don't remember seeing any pants-shitting retarded posts. Has anyone seen any pants-shitting retarded posts other then MerzBro? Anyways, Everyone has already explained what I was about to say. Minecraft is a sandbox/survival game. If you don't like it, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that Notch has to change EVERYTHING that makes Minecraft what it is just to make you happy. You want goals, you make them yourself.

What is the goal in real life? fuck there isn't one, the developer should change it.

[QUOTE=Kingy_why;29136340]What is the goal in real life? fuck there isn't one, the developer should change it.[/QUOTE] Make babies?

[QUOTE=EastBayWilly;29136384]Make babies?[/QUOTE]People already did that enough that now you don't need to anymore.

[QUOTE=Kingy_why;29136340]What is the goal in real life? fuck there isn't one, the developer should change it.[/QUOTE] Add a new gamemode to life where we capture flags and shit, so we have a goal. Working is boring.

I [i]meant[/i] taking pictures of it - a multiplayer server gets reset, a picture is forever. Dropbox doesn't just hold files, you know.

Here's an idea: If you don't enjoy singleplayer, don't play it. Since you enjoy multiplayer, continue playing on that. Simple, isn't it?

I also think it would be great for more things to strive for. But the point of Minecraft isn't really to win.

Here's an idea to do, build a multi-layered castle, out of bricks. It's quite a feat, because it will be a tough castle, and finding enough clay to make it multilayer walled would take hours. OR, you can get the villages mod and try to sustain the villages with cobble and smooth stone, as you watch the village expand and children grow up.