[QUOTE=Within;20516015]The only thing this is causing is more reason for people to pirate to avoid this shit.[/QUOTE]
Inspiration is a problem as well.
[QUOTE=Aurain;20516077]To a degree.
The fact Blu-ray's are still quite expensive, and Blu-ray writers aren't common mean that even if the copy protection was broken, It would still be quite expensive, and largely not worth it to copy PS3 games.
Give it a couple of years though... especially now Geohot has gotten started on the hacks.[/QUOTE]
The PS3 was hacked a long time ago. It just isn't worth it.
The fact that it isn't worth getting cracked PS3 games is what makes it a good DRM.
[quote]Also, there is a near perfect DRM
that's PS3's DRM [/quote]
[url=http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/]Not for long, since people now have access to the PS3's core functions it's only a matter of time until some enterprising pirate figures out a way to completely 'unlock' the system from the DRM.[/url]
[quote]Today I verified my theories about running the isolated SPUs as crypto engines. I believe that defeats the last technical argument against the PS3 being hacked.
In OtherOS, all 7 SPUs are idle. You can command an SPU(which I'll leave as an exercise to the reader) to load metldr, from that load the loader of your choice, and from that decrypt what you choose, everything from pkgs to selfs. Including those from future versions.
The PPU is higher on the control chain then the SPUs. Even if checks were to be added to, for example, verify the hypervisor before decrypting the kernel, with clever memory mappings you can hide your modified hypervisor.
Ah, but you still didn't get the Cell root key. And I/we never will. But it doesn't matter. For example, we don't have either the iPhone or PSP "root key". But I don't think anyone doubts the hackedness of those systems.
I wonder if any systems out there are actually secure?[/quote]
EDIT:
[quote]The fact that it isn't worth getting cracked PS3 games is what makes it a good DRM. [/quote]
Inconvenience does not a good DRM make. A good DRM prevents a game from being cracked. A poor DRM just makes it 'slightly inconvenient'. As always, given a long enough timetable, the pirates [i]will[/i] win out on this and any other DRM schema.
This is really not surprising. The crackers who do this are very good at it. Plus, there's hundreds of them working on it.
[QUOTE=Stopper;20516140]The PS3 was hacked a long time ago. It just isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]
No it hasn't. The only crack is out and it's so dry that average user won't be able to pirate.
[quote]The only crack is out and it's so dry that average user won't be able to pirate. [/quote]
Until a pirate makes an application whose sole purpose is an interface to the crack; which I bet is already underway in several locations.
See: The time it took for the PSP to get hacked to the time it took for them to get the PSP to play pirated games/homebrew apps/etc.
Without doubt.
The problem is Sony are going to be following every step of Geohot's progress constantly. He probably can't fart without Sony knowing nowadays.
[QUOTE=johanz;20516207]No it hasn't. The only crack is out and it's so dry that average user won't be able to pirate.[/QUOTE]
Ugh, that's why I said that it ain't worth it.
I like how Bethesda does things it seems to me they are not so worried about pirating. That is the only company I always made sure to buy a game from and the Game of the year editions. Actually theres is the only games i brought in last few years that did not pirate or rent.
So how is Ubisoft's system any different than Steam?
Rate me dumb, I guess, I just want to know.
[QUOTE=77boy84;20517623]So how is Ubisoft's system any different than Steam?
Rate me dumb, I guess, I just want to know.[/QUOTE]
You can play games offline at steam.
[QUOTE=77boy84;20517623]So how is Ubisoft's system any different than Steam?
Rate me dumb, I guess, I just want to know.[/QUOTE]
Steam has 'Offline Mode', and does not require a constant Internet connection for singleplayer games. Worst case you can use your GPRS connection on your cellphone to log onto Steam if Offline Mode happens to be unavailable to you, while UbiSoft will boot you right out of your game if you lose connection.
With no chance to save, which is atrocious in a game like AC2 where you can't skip cutscenes.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;20517634]You can play games offline at steam.[/QUOTE]
Zing!
Haha! Oh Wow!
I knew this would happen.
Most pirates i know usually buy the game after they pirate it since they want the company to make new games(when the price goes down) but its still support i guess
HELL FUCKING YEAH!!! that's what you get for buttfucking your customers. i'm BUYING the game and getting this crack. thank god for our pirate heroes.<- this what happens when developers villainizes themselves. the average gamer worships pirates... just like the historical pirates are worshipped for being "worlds only democratic society" during that era.
all hail the pirates.
note all my potential pirate friends. you can still be honest and buy it... if you crack it or not is your own bussiness IMO. but pirating it is weak. if you're butthurt... just don't get it.
Ah poo, just saw Silent Hunter 5 has 2 hours until unlock to buy it...it's ubisoft with the new DRM :( :(
[QUOTE=rieda1589;20510158]Steam have already won. Their DRM is pretty much perfect.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure where this argument comes from, Steam's DRM was cracked eons ago.
[QUOTE=demonguard;20520453]I'm not sure where this argument comes from, Steam's DRM was cracked eons ago.[/QUOTE]
You, just like most game publishers, missed the point; an effective DRM is not the one that prevents the games from being cracked the longest. The best DRM is the one that increases the sales by reducing the incentive to pirate, which is exactly what Steam does. Ubisofts new creation does the opposite since it gives pirates a better product than the legit customers.
Why pirate Steam games when it's so easy to just buy them and download everything you need from Steam's own servers?
[QUOTE=Fadeaway;20510150]I feel like the PC market is being treated like one big contest among the video game publishing behemoths to solve piracy forever: whoever figures out how to do that without resorting to human sacrifice or satanic rituals would have everyone queuing up with endless praise and humongous amounts of money. The problem is that instead of researching the problem thoroughly, Ubisoft are just tacking it on to every halfway popular franchise in clubbing range. It's money in the bank either way.[/QUOTE]
Valve won
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;20510239]Except it's 100x harder to crack, you'll never notice it while on steam, and you will be able to do near jack shit unless it's singleplayer.[/QUOTE]
saints row 2 was cracked on what, the first day it was out?
I think Blizzard took a step in the right direction, bind CD keys to accounts which may be used on battle net so any user without a valid key cannot play online.
[QUOTE=Wish I wasn't an 09er;20510221]Seeing as the fastest I can download is 10 kb/s, and due to where I live I can't upgrade my internet, it's impossible for me to [I]buy[/I] things over Steam, but no, I don't mind them as a client-side DRM-... -thing.
Except when they force me to do 100+ megabyte patches for a singleplayer game - that just pisses me off.
(Think a hundred megs is easy to download? Do the math for downloading it at 10 kb/s.)[/QUOTE]
buy it in retail if it has steamworks intergrated into it. (Example, Fear 2, Saints row 2, MW2)
get full game installed via disc
[QUOTE=Aurain;20510210]Not in anyway, shape or form.
Valve/Steam games are cracked just as easily as any others.[/QUOTE]But things that are steam exclusive and are cracked seem to have more problems then a game that was cracked from a company-exclusive DRM (Such as Ubisoft's). Point being, pirated steam games will have quite a few games, especially Half life games from steam. [b]NOT THAT I WOULD KNOW[/b] :v: /caps
DRMs just keep me from buying it. Ubisoft is dissapointing.
Proof:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-phtiEVZzhw[/media]
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i swear, these Russians have a stat boost in Computer skill or something.
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