The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim "And your beard's beard has beards too" - Games

If oblivion was a bad game, it wouldnt be a GOTY.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;28730432]Oblivion is a predominantly good game with a few bad aspects. On top of that I played it in 2009, ahd I played it in 2006 I think I would have been far more impressed.[/quote] I disagree, it's a very flawed game with few redeeming features. But I've already said this and explained why, I need not keep on repeating myself. [quote]No, they don't.[/quote] Quantity of numbers do not, the significance AND quantity of those numbers, as well as how well they're integrated into the game does however, matter. 1-100 levels for Speechcraft is irrelevant if Speechcraft is all around useless for example. But 1-10 levels for INT with Fallout or Planescape style stat checks is a different matter, because INT is useful and has a real effect when changed. [quote]Numbers are an arbitrary and literal interpretation of character stats. Even if it doesn't *show* you numbers, every game ever made has numbers representing everything, the only difference is most RPGs show you the numbers.. though when you think about it that doesn't make much sense either.[/quote] I don't need to see the numbers, they just need to change how the game is played significantly/accordingly when they themselves are changed. The potential number of numbers and skills they represent, as well as their significance determining the complexity of an RPG.

[QUOTE=Riutet;28730681]I disagree, it's a very flawed game with few redeeming features. But I've already said this and explained why, I need not keep on repeating myself. Quantity of numbers do not, the significance AND quantity of those numbers, as well as how well they're integrated into the game does however, matter. 1-100 levels for Speechcraft is irrelevant if Speechcraft is all around useless for example. But 1-10 levels for INT with Fallout or Planescape style stat checks is a different matter, because INT is useful and has a real effect when changed. I don't need to see the numbers, they just need to change how the game is played significantly/accordingly when they themselves are changed. The potential number of numbers and skills they represent, as well as their significance determining the complexity of an RPG.[/QUOTE] [b]because you believe something to be true does not make it true, i'm not arguing this again.[/b]

stop posting in this thread you [del]fucking cunt[/del] annoying person

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;28730439]I don't see how a videogame can be live action roleplay[/QUOTE] LARPing when referred to in videogames, is referring to people who play the game by living out a mundane life inside of the videogame, arranging books on bookshelves, eating a meal on schedule, walking around town and taking care of their house.

[QUOTE=Riutet;28730681]I disagree, it's a very flawed game with few redeeming features. But I've already said this and explained why, I need not keep on repeating myself. Quantity of numbers do not, the significance AND quantity of those numbers, as well as how well they're integrated into the game does however, matter. 1-100 levels for Speechcraft is irrelevant if Speechcraft is all around useless for example. But 1-10 levels for INT with Fallout or Planescape style stat checks is a different matter, because INT is useful and has a real effect when changed. [/QUOTE] If that's your point then what relevance does "Todd does not like numbers" have? Does that effect his ability to lead the game designers to make the game more diverse and customizable?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28730634]The only thing that exists is subjectivity. We don't have the ability to say something is objectively bad like you have, because that's not fucking true and it's merely your opinion. I don't fucking care what you say. You argue as if you know a "fact". you don't. You're like the Strider* of ITN, but for general games discussion.[/QUOTE] Well, if the only thing that exists is subjectivity then stop arguing about me "not being objective".

[QUOTE=Riutet;28730710]LARPing when referred to in videogames, is referring to people who play the game by living out a mundane life inside of the videogame, arranging books on bookshelves, eating a meal on schedule, walking around town and taking care of their house.[/QUOTE] Why is it called LARPing then that doesn't make sense and is fucking stupid it's a videogame Should just call it roleplaying or if you want to argue semantics "hardcore" roleplaying

it's called RPing you idiot, how is it live action when it's in a videogame

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;28730736]If that's your point then what relevance does "Todd does not like numbers" have? Does that effect his ability to lead the game designers to make the game more diverse and customizable?[/QUOTE] There's a quote from Todd explaining what I was getting at, lemme try and go find it. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zezibesh;28730760]Why is it called LARPing then that doesn't make sense and is fucking stupid it's a videogame Should just call it roleplaying or if you want to argue semantics "hardcore" roleplaying[/QUOTE] It's a joke, calling them LARPers. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Str4fe;28730670]If oblivion was a bad game, it wouldnt be a GOTY.[/QUOTE] Same reason Fallout 3 got GOTY. :smug:

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;28730775]it's called RPing you idiot, how is it live action when it's in a videogame[/QUOTE] Well technically all RPing in a videogame is live action, even the kind of is referring to as "true" rping. For the fact that videogames are played in Real Time, that makes every form of RPing "live action" Larps started in the 1970s, back when people were doing turn based and on-paper roleplaying games, so doing it "live action" coined the term "LARP" so by extension, all video game rpgs are live action rpgs. [quote]There's a quote from Todd explaining what I was getting at, lemme try and go find it.[/quote] Alright bro, I'll just sit around and wait for it :downs:

[QUOTE=Riutet;28730745]Well, if the only thing that exists is subjectivity then stop arguing about me "not being objective".[/QUOTE] You're being "objective" and telling us your opinion isn't an opinion, it's a fact. That's an issue because it isn't. maybe if you realize you're just spouting your opinion off, it'll do you some good.

Guys, guys guys guys, shut the fuck up complaining about nothing.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;28730827]Alright bro, I'll just sit around and wait for it :downs:[/QUOTE] Can't find it, last time I saw it was referenced in a sourced interview with Todd in a thread on RPGCodex, basically he in reference to stats, refers to them as something along the lines of, "they're just numbers that go up." I believe it was in response to a number of skills being removed from Skyrim, although I'm not entirely sure what it was in response to, I'd have to find it. The point was though that he doesn't think of stats and attributes as significant, that changes to them should have significant effects. It's likely we'll be seeing more of an action/adventure game when Skyrim rolls around more than an RPG.

And if you had actually read the non-critical parts, you'd realize that there's basically been no skill downsizing at all. It's just changed in the way it operates to accomplish the same task. End of story.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28730862]You're being "objective" and telling us your opinion isn't an opinion, it's a fact. That's an issue because it isn't. maybe if you realize you're just spouting your opinion off, it'll do you some good.[/QUOTE] Made a post briefly outlining why Oblivion is a bad game from my objective view on page 80. It's not eloquent or structured, and it doesn't cover everything that is wrong with the game, but it's something. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;28730996]And if you had actually read the non-critical parts, you'd realize that there's basically been no skill downsizing at all. It's just changed in the way it operates to accomplish the same task. End of story.[/QUOTE] I wasn't questioning to the validity of Skyrim's skill system, I was highlighting how Todd Howard doesn't understand the effect numbers representing skills should have in response to you questioning why I said Todd doesn't like numbers. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;28730827]so by extension, all video game rpgs are live action rpgs.[/quote] Not at all actually. If a law is enforced in a game, then the player isn't pretending to abide by it, he's forced to, he is not larping if this is the case. As humans we need to eat, if we didn't but still did so anyway even if we couldn't taste/benefit/what have you from it, just doing it because of some imagined ruleset and narrative, that would be larping, and so is in a videogame.

WoW LOOK AT ALL THIS RELEVANT DISCUSSION ABOUT SKYRIM!

ITT: we argue about useless matters concerning the elder scrolls while we wait for Skyrim.

[QUOTE=red_pharoah;28731256]ITT: we argue about useless matters concerning the elder scrolls while we wait for Skyrim.[/QUOTE] It is a harsh wait.

If when you're playing an RPG as basically anyone here would, that is roleplaying, then every main character of any RPG ever has been an obsessive compulsive hoarder, suicidal/murderous maniac and is socially retarded. It's not roleplaying, barely any of us genuinely immerse ourselves in the world, we play it as a game. It's just inherited a genre, that's all. People who are 'pretending to live out a life in the game' are the ones roleplaying in any way. This is obviously directed at the whole LARP discussion that's going on. And for some reason thinking about roleplaying in Oblivion, to the extent that I did it, just reminded me of my serial killer gimmicks. Using telekinesis to drop corpses on people... ah, I wish serial killers did that in real life.

[IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2804hhx.jpg[/IMG] [B]WAZZAP FACEPUNCH. DA NAMES RIUTET AND I SUCK COCK. YOU ALL STUPID BECAUSE OBLIVION IS BAD AND MY OPINION = FACT. OBLIVION WAS GREAT BUT I DOWNLOADED HENTAI KAWAII MODS AND MY GAME WENT BOOM AND FIRE AND I ANGRY NOW. SO OBLIVION BAD. IT ALL SUCKS. NO REDEEMING FEATURE BECAUSE ITS NOT MORROWIND. I FUCKING MAD. MORROWIND WAS 9000+/100 IN THE RATINGS BECAUSE IT SO GOOD BECAUSE ALIEN WORLD AND CLIFFRACER NOT IRRITATE. CLIFFRACER COOL. I GO FAP AND LAFF NOW TO YOUR RAEG AND ANGREY.[/B] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/fvtmm1.png[/IMG] Final assdocter verdict: [B]I BUTTHURT[/B]

[QUOTE=Weiss;28731799]If when you're playing an RPG as basically anyone here would, that is roleplaying, then every main character of any RPG ever has been an obsessive compulsive hoarder, suicidal/murderous maniac and is socially retarded. It's not roleplaying, barely any of us genuinely immerse ourselves in the world, we play it as a game. It's just inherited a genre, that's all. People who are 'pretending to live out a life in the game' are the ones roleplaying in any way.[/quote] I'm kind of tired so I don't want to go into what constitutes an RPG in reference to Videogames, but *know* that the player does not need to get into the mind of the player character and act in a way he would, the player's ability to act simply needs to be restricted by the abilities of the player character, and also the number of choices the player can make being restricted by the knowledge and perhaps alignment/personality type of the player character, but that last bit's not entirely necessary. The player needs to be subject to the rules that govern the world he inhabits. People who pretend to live out a life in a videogame are not roleplaying, they are larping, if the game doesn't take into account say, limb damage, but after a fight the player decides that his player character has sustained a leg injury and decides to crouch and uncrouch while looking for medical help, that is larping. It's a form of roleplaying, but it's not the same roleplaying as is found in PnP or in Videogames, because the condition exists outside of the rules of the world, it would be like pretending that you have a disease that makes you lift your arm up every 5 minutes, in real life, doesn't exist in the context of the game world and you're a larper if you pretend it does. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Aerkhan;28732232][img_thumb]http://i55.tinypic.com/2804hhx.jpg[/img_thumb] [B]WAZZAP FACEPUNCH. DA NAMES RIUTET AND I SUCK COCK. YOU ALL STUPID BECAUSE OBLIVION IS BAD AND MY OPINION = FACT. OBLIVION WAS GREAT BUT I DOWNLOADED HENTAI KAWAII MODS AND MY GAME WENT BOOM AND FIRE AND I ANGRY NOW. SO OBLIVION BAD. IT ALL SUCKS. NO REDEEMING FEATURE BECAUSE ITS NOT MORROWIND. I FUCKING MAD. MORROWIND WAS 9000+/100 IN THE RATINGS BECAUSE IT SO GOOD BECAUSE ALIEN WORLD AND CLIFFRACER NOT IRRITATE. CLIFFRACER COOL. I GO FAP AND LAFF NOW TO YOUR RAEG AND ANGREY.[/B] [img_thumb]http://i.cubeupload.com/fvtmm1.png[/img_thumb] Final assdocter verdict: [B]I BUTTHURT[/B][/QUOTE] Imposter! Do not listen to this man he is not the REAL McCoy.

Can we just delete these last 2 pages? I am sorely disappointed with the discussion going on.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;28731140]WoW LOOK AT ALL THIS RELEVANT DISCUSSION ABOUT SKYRIM![/QUOTE] Remember when 40+ posts in one hour meant something moderately big news-wise came out and everyone was orgasming over said news? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;28732364]Can we just delete these last 2 pages? I am sorely disappointed with the discussion going on.[/QUOTE] Let us not forget history, or else we shall be doomed to repeat it.

Riutet, shut up. Everyone else, ignore him. Problem solved.

We've been repeating history when ever you start to talk Riutet. Same with the Dead Island Thread.

We need someone to moderate here, to stop the huge derailing. I want to read about skyrim in this thread.

[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;28732515]We've been repeating history when ever you start to talk Riutet. Same with the Dead Island Thread.[/QUOTE] What? Me saying some perfectly valid stuff often with reasoning to back up what I say and/or pointing to some evidence, and then a bunch of people just saying I'm wrong or to shut up? Yeah, strange how history repeats itself. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Str4fe;28732621]We need someone to moderate here, to stop the huge derailing. I want to read about skyrim in this thread.[/QUOTE] The main problem is, there hasn't been any new info released in a short while now, so the thread is bound to go off topic a bit, at least the discussion was about RPGs and the TES series. I don't think moderation is really required currently, it's all civil and fairly on topic.

[img]http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/090/341/original/5TE5PUJZ3L2MG767XE3HULMMQ5NU66EW.jpeg?1293582945[/img] Watch the [B]FUCK OUT[/B] guys, it's an internet argument and it's serious fucking business. Can we go back on topic please?