The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim "And your beard's beard has beards too" - Games

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28787307]I love how deadly reflex redoes the FPS view. There is headbob now, and with the SP1 legs and a more realistic FOV (as in, not holding your weapons directly in front of your face) its simply amazing.[/QUOTE] SP1 legs? what is dis sheet

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;28787016]Celtic warriors wore absolutely fucking nothing, except from a tiny golden collar. They still kicked ass.[/QUOTE] well if you're talking history then they [B]sometimes[/B] went into battle completely naked(iirc) but usually they wore chainmail and shit. [editline]25th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zondac;28785075]I admit, it looks pretty lame, but complaining about that is kinda meh. Armor coverage isn't always a bonus, as every medival armor portrayed in video games severely limit the persons movement. There is a reason why fencers are wearing thin white instead of heavy armor. Even with real swords, movement can be more vital that protection[/QUOTE] armor coverage is [B]always[/B] a bonus maneuverability is the drawback. A normal human will probably want as much defense as possible while still being able to move, I don't see how 200 grams of extra cloth(Or leather if you want any actual defense) to cover a woman's cleavage will significantly hinder her movement. [quote]every medival armor portrayed in video games severely limit the persons movement.[/quote] What are you talking about.

[QUOTE=Soul_Reaver;28797860]Kinda stealing that from Ultima VII: The Black Gate, aren't ya? [media]http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Ultima_VII_Black_Gate_box_2141.jpg[/media][/QUOTE] Ultima 7 was a much different game than the rest of the previous Ultimas, Skyrim will also fit that description. So I say why the hell not?

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;28798267]Ultima 7 was a much different game than the rest of the previous Ultimas, Skyrim will also fit that description. So I say why the hell not?[/QUOTE] Not too mention that the box art is epic. So sure. Sounds like an epic idea to me!

[QUOTE=EcksDee;28798106] What are you talking about.[/QUOTE] You realize that a breastplate weighs around more than 20 kgs? That's a lot of fucking weight. A full plate armor weighs around as much as a bike

you realize that knights are buff as fuck?

[QUOTE=war_man333;28798438]you realize that knights are buff as fuck?[/QUOTE] You realize that even if you're quite buff, carrying a bike while fighting is pretty fucking intense?

[QUOTE=Zondac;28798382]You realize that a breastplate weighs around more than 20 kgs? That's a lot of fucking weight. A full plate armor weighs around as much as a bike[/QUOTE] Well if you mean plate armour, yeah, it is quite encumbering, but it's still what knights dealt with. Just so you know, a full suit of plate armour weighs less than what a modern soldier carries. A breastplate does NOT weigh 20 KG, a full suit of plate armour weighs around 20 KG, which is something I could carry with one hand. And the heaviest full set of armour that I can recall off the top of my head is probably Italian, weighing in at like 25 kilos. (There were heavier ones, of course, but those were mainly for jousting.) [editline]25th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zondac;28798452]You realize that even if you're quite buff, carrying a bike while fighting is pretty fucking intense?[/QUOTE] Medieval knights, after training, were basically Zeus in a suit of armour. I recall reading, and I can't find the source ATM so you can just dismiss this claim if you want, but I recall reading that a trained medieval knight could do a cartwheel in full gear. Medieval Armour really doesn't weigh as much as you would think by looking at it. The metal isn't very thick and the joints have evolved over many hundreds of years. I've worn a full suit of plate armour and it's not too different from wearing chainmail, it hangs off your body very well and doesn't encumber you significantly. That is if you're reasonably fit, of course.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;28798515]Well if you mean plate armour, yeah, it is quite encumbering, but it's still what knights dealt with. Just so you know, a full suit of plate armour weighs less than what a modern soldier carries. A breastplate does NOT weigh 20 KG, a full suit of plate armour weighs around 20 KG, which is something I could carry with one hand. And the heaviest full set of armour that I can recall off the top of my head is probably Italian, weighing in at like 25 kilos.[/QUOTE] Let's say that someone struck a sword at you. Would you feel safer between a plate of metal, or would you feel safer if you knew your reflexes were good enough to actually jump back and avoid being hit altogether? Some people prefer the former, others prefer the latter. Personally, if someone were to attack me, I'd prefer to rely on my reflexes than on my apparel

Why is it in every thread in games discussion they all decide to argue and bring realism into it....

[QUOTE=Zondac;28798547]Let's say that someone struck a sword at you. Would you feel safer between a plate of metal, or would you feel safer if you knew your reflexes were good enough to actually jump back and avoid being hit altogether? Some people prefer the former, others prefer the latter. Personally, if someone were to attack me, I'd prefer to rely on my reflexes than on my apparel[/QUOTE] While one's reflexes are enhanced in a combat situation, they're never completely reliable. Once you take into consideration one's physical build and shit, some people would rather take the suit than rely on their muscles. And just so you know, wearing armour does not mean that you can't dodge anymore or less effectively, especially if you're a medieval knight, or even a celtic soldier, if we're talking about vikings and shit. If you're talking about games, yes, some games have armour that looks like it weighs a million tonnes, but that's because it's fantasy.

[QUOTE=Zondac;28798547]Let's say that someone struck a sword at you. Would you feel safer between a plate of metal, or would you feel safer if you knew your reflexes were good enough to actually jump back and avoid being hit altogether? Some people prefer the former, others prefer the latter. Personally, if someone were to attack me, I'd prefer to rely on my reflexes than on my apparel[/QUOTE] I prefer using both. :colbert:

[QUOTE=Confused111;28798626]I prefer using both. :colbert:[/QUOTE] This. Because a suit of armour doesn't weigh that much when it's hanging off you, you can still dodge without an issue if you've been trained appropriately.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;28798636]This. Because a suit of armour doesn't weigh that much when it's hanging off you, you can still dodge without an issue if you've been trained appropriately.[/QUOTE] Without an issue? That's bullshit. Even normal clothes change your dodging abilities by a tiny bit. I'd prefer armor made out of some super-lightweight yet super-strong material, but this is medival. You're either wearing heavy armor, relying on that, or you're wearing lighter armor, relying on reflexes. But yeah, games DO overdo it a lot, but it's not something you should actively complain about. Ninja Gaiden did a great job on having lightweight armor, yet covering the character well. (He even looked pretty damn good in said clothes as well)

[QUOTE=Zondac;28798690]Without an issue? That's bullshit. Even normal clothes change your dodging abilities by a tiny bit. I'd prefer armor made out of some super-lightweight yet super-strong material, but this is medival. You're either wearing heavy armor, relying on that, or you're wearing lighter armor, relying on reflexes. But yeah, games DO overdo it a lot, but it's not something you should actively complain about. Ninja Gaiden did a great job on having lightweight armor, yet covering the character well. (He even looked pretty damn good in said clothes as well)[/QUOTE] You underestimate medieval smiths and trained knights. While a 20kg suit will slightly encumber you when you start wearing it, you get used to it. Represented by the armour mastery stuff I guess.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;28798821]You underestimate medieval smiths and trained knights. While a 20kg suit will slightly encumber you when you start wearing it, you get used to it. Represented by the armour mastery stuff I guess.[/QUOTE] I guess that makes sense, but a person who is perfectly trained in dodging, wearing nothing but a light, white easy-to-move-in suit, will be better at it than a person who is perfectly trained in dodging WITH a 20kg armor

Guys shut up about medieval stuff... and talk about the elder scrolls.

Just please don't start the whole you should've acted thing again, it's kinda old now :saddowns:

Yeah this is not Mount and blade.

[QUOTE=Zondac;28798858]I guess that makes sense, but a person who is perfectly trained in dodging, wearing nothing but a light, white easy-to-move-in suit, will be better at it than a person who is perfectly trained in dodging WITH a 20kg armor[/QUOTE] I think your sense of realism has been distorted by anime. Pls go.

I hope the helmet selection in Skyrim will be better, almost every single one in Oblivion looked like dragon ass.

As someone who practiced [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo]Kendo[/url], you can completely forget your delusions of being some sort of ninja and avoiding sword blows. Your main form of defense is to deflect their weapon with your own. In that process, your armor around your wrist, arms and the occasional other part of your body will get scraped and touched. If that were actual armor vs. an actual sword, the scrapes and touches won't matter, if it were armor vs. your flesh, you're done. So don't say that you'd rather attempt to jump out of the way of their weapon. Because that sets you off balance and you lose your posture unless you're trained to do it. And guess what. You probably won't be.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;28799337]I hope the helmet selection in Skyrim will be better, almost every single one in Oblivion looked like dragon ass.[/QUOTE] Well since Elder Scrolls will have dragons this time we might actually see helmets made out of real dragon ass.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;28798515]Medieval knights, after training, were basically Zeus in a suit of armour. I recall reading, and I can't find the source ATM so you can just dismiss this claim if you want, but I recall reading that [B]a trained medieval knight could do a cartwheel in full gear[/B]. Medieval Armour really doesn't weigh as much as you would think by looking at it. The metal isn't very thick and the joints have evolved over many hundreds of years. I've worn a full suit of plate armour and it's not too different from wearing chainmail, it hangs off your body very well and doesn't encumber you significantly.[/QUOTE] This is true. I've seen people do this IRL. In fact, chainmail is almost even more cumbersome since it hangs a lot more loose than the snug fit of a full armour. At least if it's a hauberk. Those weighs a fucking ton. I know this because I've been making chainmails for about 6 years.

I once did a handstand in jeans, I'm not trained to wear them either.

[QUOTE=Riutet;28799809]I once did a handstand in jeans, I'm not trained to wear them either.[/QUOTE] You have a set of jeans that weighs like 8+ kilograms? Fuck, did you get them from Tripp or something?

I would rather get hit and feel like getting punched rather than getting hit and feel like I'm being stabbed.

I'd rather play the elder scrolls and let my characters stats decide how the character feels rather than talking about stuff that doesn't matter to the game.

Yea but its pretty obvious that more armor is better. Damage reduction and all.

Well it's not like we wear medieval armor in everyday life, or even at all now days.