BioShock Infinite thread VII: I appreciate a lady, who appreciates value! - Games

[QUOTE=Winters;40139520]Use devil's kiss on the torches right on the sides of the door.[/QUOTE] Lovely. I'm glad I started reading and posting in here, thank you.

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Even though it was spoiled for me before the game came out, that ending still blew me away. Man, what a fantastic game.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40139518][sp]Stolen from Rapture as well as Songbird.[/sp] Am I the only who one was weirded out that unlike Plasmids, Vigors are almost COMPLETELY ignored by the plot and every character? Flaws like that bother me a little, the first bioshock made it seem like there was a reason for everything. vigors didn't seem essential to the plot at all, just there cause it was Bioshock.[/QUOTE] I was too, the only time they really do something game related is the [sp]electric generators, which were dropped entirely the instant you left that area[/sp]

I think my brain shut off like the second I saw the ending [sp]So you're telling me that he went to get his daughter after giving his daughter to himself to have a daughter?[/sp]

[QUOTE=GameDev;40139652]I think my brain shut off like the second I saw the ending [sp]So you're telling me that he went to get his daughter after giving his daughter to himself to have a daughter?[/sp][/QUOTE] Techinically [sp]Booker gave it to Robert, who gave it to Comstock. Still though, you have the right idea.[/sp]

[QUOTE=GameDev;40139652]I think my brain shut off like the second I saw the ending [sp]So you're telling me that he went to get his daughter after giving his daughter to himself to have a daughter?[/sp][/QUOTE] I've yet to figure out. I think I'll try replaying the ending stoned out of my skull and see if it makes sense.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40139696]I've yet to figure out. I think I'll try replaying the ending stoned out of my skull and see if it makes sense.[/QUOTE] I tried it drunk off my ass and it made a little more sense.

salts must be a side-product of the [sp]luteces machine, or something that originates from there, as there is nothing else up in columbia that defies physics as we know it[/sp]

So on my travels through this game, I heard a little black lady singing 'Fortunate Son' with Columbia going to hell around her. That coupled with the almost Johnny Cash song in the beginning (one of the best game openings ever) and the little plinky song that goes with the luteces when they show up, added with the story, atmosphere, gameplay, and everything makes this one of the best games I've ever played. I love the way they use music to change the mood and the players own emotion and thoughts, like the songbird stuff really got me spooked when the whistles started. 10/10 would game again

[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;40139792]That coupled with the almost Johnny Cash song in the beginning [/QUOTE] Will the circle be unbroken? Actually it is an old hymn reworked by A.P. Carter. I know this isn't the first time Iv'e said this but I'm honestly shocked so few people know about this song.

[QUOTE=Winters;40139814]Will the circle be unbroken? Actually it is an old hymn reworked by A.P. Carter. I know this isn't the first time Iv'e said this but I'm honestly shocked so few people know about this song.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know about the original hymn but I've heard it the most from the Johnny Cash song of the same name, it stuck more with my head.

I guess it's because I've been playing Borderlands for a while, but I'm hooked on the floating combat text option. Also can someone explain the debt once more to me? [sp]So Booker gave away Anna, then 20 years later, he's repaying the same debt? I know the start of the game he's in Comstock's Universe and not his own, and therefore forgot he gave away anna, but it just seems weird that 20 years later, he decides to pay the debt, or was it that he gambled again?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Jays2Kings;40139832]I guess it's because I've been playing Borderlands for a while, but I'm hooked on the floating combat text option. Also can someone explain the debt once more to me? [sp]So Booker gave away Anna, then 20 years later, he's repaying the same debt? I know the start of the game he's in Comstock's Universe and not his own, and therefore forgot he gave away anna, but it just seems weird that 20 years later, he decides to pay the debt, or was it that he gambled again?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]If I'm correct, there is no debt. Booker made it up to try to justify himself.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Jays2Kings;40139832]I guess it's because I've been playing Borderlands for a while, but I'm hooked on the floating combat text option. Also can someone explain the debt once more to me? [sp]So Booker gave away Anna, then 20 years later, he's repaying the same debt? I know the start of the game he's in Comstock's Universe and not his own, and therefore forgot he gave away anna, but it just seems weird that 20 years later, he decides to pay the debt, or was it that he gambled again?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The debt is nonexistent the 2nd time around and it is also not 20 years later. The "new" debt is just a memory his mind fabricated to compensate for switching timelines. The Lutece's capitalized on the memory and used it to get him to go to the city[/sp]

Just finished the game. WHAT BULLSHIT IS THATTTTT Do I get a different ending based on a single choice at the beginning? At least that's what I got from the Cage/Bird necklace and the cage-page thing. I really don't feel like replaying the whole game the same exact way except a single fucking choice to get a different ending. I really hope the cage gets a better ending, because the bird is bullshittttt

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40139862]Just finished the game. WHAT BULLSHIT IS THATTTTT Do I get a different ending based on a single choice at the beginning? At least that's what I got from the Cage/Bird necklace and the cage-page thing. I really don't feel like replaying the whole game the same exact way except a single fucking choice to get a different ending.[/QUOTE] [sp]In short, No. Your choices mean nothing in the end because they're variables, it simply gives the illusion of choice so don't worry about it.[/sp]

[QUOTE=daijitsu;40139302][sp]I noticed immediately on battleship island that the grinder organ music playing on the boardwalk (just before seeing monument crumbling) was playing a carnival rendition of 'girls just wanna have fun'. This lended to my 'world created by modern people' thing, though that was nicely wrapped up later by the red tear at the memorial town, with the accompanying audiolog.[/sp][/QUOTE] Holy shit, I thought it was just a coincidence for the [sp]melody.[/sp] Watching through the credits again, [sp]I saw the title for it.[/sp]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before but [sp]you can hear the Songbird dying in Bioshock 1, holy shit[/sp].

[QUOTE=Winters;40139870][sp]In short, No. Your choices mean nothing in the end because they're variables, it simply gives the illusion of choice so don't worry about it.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Like how at the lighthouses, you get a choice of 2 doors and they both go to the same place.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Winters;40139847][sp]The debt is nonexistent the 2nd time around and it is also not 20 years later. The "new" debt is just a memory his mind fabricated to compensate for switching timelines. The Lutece's capitalized on the memory and used it to get him to go to the city[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Booker was actually brought to Comstock's world 20 years after he gave away Anna.[/sp]

[QUOTE=YoYoYoDude;40139912][sp]Booker was actually brought to Comstock's world 20 years after he gave away Anna.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I was thinking in perspective to his own timeline I guess.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Winters;40139870][sp]In short, No. Your choices mean nothing in the end because they're variables, it simply gives the illusion of choice so don't worry about it.[/sp][/QUOTE] Oh thank god. But then, what's the whole point of the cage? I'm so confused. The whole ending is confusing. That's not how physics/logic workkkkk [sp]If he is both Dewitt and Comstock, then how can they be in the same fucking universe/timeline? He would have to cross the lines, but by doing that he left his own so there's no Comstock in the one he left. If they are actually following any real physics, then the logic is so fucked, why is there the need to kill him? Why not make him just [i]not[/i] go to the baptism in the first place instead of fucking killing him there? SO MANY WHY'S. For all the knowledge that girl has, she sure doesn't know the difference between UP and CUNT. /rant[/sp]

Interesting to look back and see what was changed/removed from the early days. [video=youtube;B2yz8_FLSv0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2yz8_FLSv0[/video] Also, [sp]Ken Levine seemed to be talking about the multiverse/multitimeline thing all the way back then. None of us realized that, apparently.[/sp]

Either way, their writers REALLY don't know how the fuck a [sp]multiverse/timeline[/sp] works. [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] automerggeeeee

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;40139892]I'm sure this has been mentioned before but [sp]you can hear the Songbird dying in Bioshock 1, holy shit[/sp].[/QUOTE] Wait, what? Where and when?

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40139930]Oh thank god. But then, what's the whole point of the cage? I'm so confused. The whole ending is confusing. That's not how physics/logic workkkkk [sp]If he is both Dewitt and Comstock, then how can they be in the same fucking universe/timeline? He would have to cross the lines, but by doing that he left his own so there's no Comstock in the one he left. If they are actually following any real physics, then the logic is so fucked, why is there the need to kill him? Why not make him just [i]not[/i] go to the baptism in the first place instead of fucking killing him there? SO MANY WHY'S. For all the knowledge that girl has, she sure doesn't know the difference between UP and CUNT. /rant[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Because they're in two separate timelines that split at a point BEFORE the game began. So when Lutece came to get DeWitt, Comstock had already existed in the other timeline. There never was one in the timeline DeWitt left. She can't just make him not go to the baptism, Comstock has to die at the baptism. She explained that, in the infinite timelines in which Comstock could exist, Booker had chosen to be baptised. The ones where Comstock didn't exist were the ones when Booker chose NOT to be baptised. Your idea for a solution had already happened millions of times.[/sp]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40139930]Oh thank god. But then, what's the whole point of the cage? I'm so confused. The whole ending is confusing. That's not how physics/logic workkkkk [sp]If he is both Dewitt and Comstock, then how can they be in the same fucking universe/timeline? He would have to cross the lines, but by doing that he left his own so there's no Comstock in the one he left. If they are actually following any real physics, then the logic is so fucked, why is there the need to kill him? Why not make him just [i]not[/i] go to the baptism in the first place instead of fucking killing him there? SO MANY WHY'S. For all the knowledge that girl has, she sure doesn't know the difference between UP and CUNT. /rant[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] the cage stood for the musical notes C A G and E, which elizabeth played on the whistles to turn songbird friendly[/sp]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40139930]Oh thank god. But then, what's the whole point of the cage? I'm so confused. The whole ending is confusing. That's not how physics/logic workkkkk [sp]If he is both Dewitt and Comstock, then how can they be in the same fucking universe/timeline? He would have to cross the lines, but by doing that he left his own so there's no Comstock in the one he left. If they are actually following any real physics, then the logic is so fucked, why is there the need to kill him? Why not make him just [i]not[/i] go to the baptism in the first place instead of fucking killing him there? SO MANY WHY'S. For all the knowledge that girl has, she sure doesn't know the difference between UP and CUNT. /rant[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]you got to watch the ending again, because you don't get it the baptism is sometimes accepted by booker, then in other timelines, it isn't when he accepts, he goes on to become the person that is zachary hale comstock, so columbia exists if booker stays booker, there is no columbia[/sp]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40139930][sp]If he is both Dewitt and Comstock, then how can they be in the same fucking universe/timeline? He would have to cross the lines, but by doing that he left his own so there's no Comstock in the one he left. If they are actually following any real physics, then the logic is so fucked, why is there the need to kill him? Why not make him just [i]not[/i] go to the baptism in the first place instead of fucking killing him there? SO MANY WHY'S. For all the knowledge that girl has, she sure doesn't know the difference between UP and CUNT. /rant[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] 1. He is in the same timeline as Comstock because the Lutece(s) brought him there to right the wrong they had done and close the timeline loop 2.There was never going to be a comstock in the timeline he left because he did not accept the baptism in that timeline 3.They need to kill him at that point because it is the convergence point for every timeline where Booker becomes comstock and Columbia is made. The booker that accepts the baptism at that point represents every booker from every timeline that does it and by drowning him they kill every single last booker who becomes comstock.[/sp]