BioShock Infinite thread VII: I appreciate a lady, who appreciates value! - Games

[QUOTE=Winters;40140303]For the sake of interest could you clarify exactly what you're implying with this, I think I'm getting it but I'm not quite sure. [sp]Like are you saying that when our booker rejects the baptism he is sent into a timeline in which he does not give away anna or something?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]rejecting the baptism is the timeline you as the player lived- you went on and became a grumbly war vet who dealt in shady dealings, had a baby but got extorted into giving the baby away. Had you chosen the baptism, you'd have become some religious zealot who finds and funds a physicist (Lutece) because they've found a way to peer into alternate universes, even forward/backward in time- this is how he gains such a following as a prophet, he's literally biff from back to the future[/sp] [sp]for every choice of two, a universe is created for each possible result. This means that one booker split in two directions at that point, one of which became comstock. The reason he gives Anna away is shown, comstock is infertile (because of lutece stuff I guess) and wants the daughter to carry on his legacy, so he finds the alternate reality where he had a child and extorts that version of himself to get her or whatever. This results is an endless loop of him trying to get the girl back, but because of how things went there's no way to stop the events from repeating themselves over and over.[/sp] [sp]going back in the past, you yourself still face the same choices made by you in that timeline, because you can't escape what you've already done. The only difference now is that there's a new person who's jumped into those realities to change the course of the one that caused everything.[/sp]

Does anyone know whose body it was in the beginning inside the lighthouse?

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;40140373]if that were the case then [sp]wouldn't the booker they're confronting not even know what was going on at all and begin to panic? the booker the elizabeth's drown even comes to the conclusion that he's comstock when they dunk him, which means to me that they drown the booker you've been playing as.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]you're reliving the events with prior knowledge of events and elizabeth, I'd assume you basically hopped into your past body or something. Honestly I'd think revisiting that event knowing what has happened and getting the explanation from the elizabeths that you're comstock would be enough to alter the timeline. How about we just turn around and tell the priest 'no', I don't know, but I think it's a nice closure to the situation (despite being a bit abrupt)[/sp]

[QUOTE=Im-Bored;40140423]Does anyone know whose body it was in the beginning inside the lighthouse?[/QUOTE] Most likely the lighthouse keeper. I mean there is a note on the wall that says "Stop him, he is coming" or something to that extent. Nonetheless it signed by comstock and it gives me reason to believe that [sp]The Lutece's killed the guy because every timeline in which the lighthouse keeper was alive Booker did not get in the chair[/sp]

[QUOTE=Im-Bored;40140423]Does anyone know whose body it was in the beginning inside the lighthouse?[/QUOTE] I like to think it was [sp]a version of Booker that never had Anna and was thus incapable of paying his debts.[/sp]

One thing I've been wondering about Comstock [sp]What's his motive for believing in God when he knows he can only see the future due to science, did he actually see an archangel through the machine or is he just making shit up to justify it[/sp]

[QUOTE=The very best;40140685][sp]What's his motive for believing in God when he knows he can only see the future due to science, did he actually see an archangel through the machine or is he just making shit up to justify it[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I think it's just religious zealotry and desire for power.[/sp]

[QUOTE=The very best;40140685]One thing I've been wondering about Comstock [sp]What's his motive for believing in God when he knows he can only see the future due to science, did he actually see an archangel through the machine or is he just making shit up to justify it[/sp][/QUOTE] Most likely propaganda, and using religion to amass a following.

Okay, one question still bothering me. [sp]Why do Comstock and Booker exist in the same universe? If Booker refused his baptism and never became Comstock, then why does Columbia exist in his universe at all? His daughter gets abducted into an alternate universe where he did become Comstock, but he remains in the universe where he didn't. So, where the hell did Comstock and Columbia come from, and why are they sharing the same universe?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40140725]Okay, one question still bothering me. [sp]Why do Comstock and Booker exist in the same universe? If Booker refused his baptism and never became Comstock, then why does Columbia exist in his universe at all? His daughter gets abducted into an alternate universe where he did become Comstock, but he remains in the universe where he didn't. So, where the hell did Comstock and Columbia come from, and why are they sharing the same universe?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The luteces took him into the Comstock dimension if I remember correctly[/sp]

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40140725]Okay, one question still bothering me. [sp]Why do Comstock and Booker exist in the same universe? If Booker refused his baptism and never became Comstock, then why does Columbia exist in his universe at all? His daughter gets abducted into an alternate universe where he did become Comstock, but he remains in the universe where he didn't. So, where the hell did Comstock and Columbia come from, and why are they sharing the same universe?[/sp][/QUOTE] This has been answered a bunch of times but [sp]The Lutece's had him transported into Comstocks'suniverse, the one where Booker was baptized because that was the universe where his daughter was, so he could get his daughter back and stop Comstock. Thats why he had no idea about Columbia when Elizabeth asked him, he was transported to that universe.[/sp]

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40140753]This has been answered a bunch of times but [sp]The Lutece's had him transported into Comstocks'suniverse, the one where Booker was baptized because that was the universe where his daughter was, so he could get his daughter back and stop Comstock. Thats why he had no idea about Columbia when Elizabeth asked him, he was transported to that universe.[/sp][/QUOTE] Ah, okay. [sp]That explains why they were there at the beginning of the game, and why he had no knowledge of Columbia.[/sp]

[QUOTE=The very best;40140750][sp]The lighthouse took him into the Comstock dimension if I remember correctly[/sp][/QUOTE] ...no [sp]it's been explained like 5 times before, pay attention during the end sequence and you can actually see the part where the luteces bring you into the columbia/comstock dimension[/sp]

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40140763]Ah, okay. [sp]That explains why they were there at the beginning of the game, and why he had no knowledge of Columbia.[/sp][/QUOTE] That or Booker locked himself in his room for 20 years and never learned about the outside world

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40140769]...no [sp]it's been explained like 5 times before, pay attention during the end sequence and you can actually see the part where the luteces bring you into the columbia/comstock dimension[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I wrote lighthouse for some reason[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40139518] Am I the only who one was weirded out that unlike Plasmids, Vigors are almost COMPLETELY ignored by the plot and every character? Flaws like that bother me a little, the first bioshock made it seem like there was a reason for everything. vigors didn't seem essential to the plot at all, just there cause it was Bioshock.[/QUOTE] This was the only big fault I had with the game's story. I often found myself wondering how Vigors came to exist in Columbia (I'm sure it's explained in a voxophone I missed). Vigors definitely needed to have played a larger role in the story: and by larger role, I mean any.

[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;40140796]This was the only big fault I had with the game's story. I often found myself wondering how Vigors came to exist in Columbia (I'm sure it's explained in a voxophone I missed). Vigors definitely needed to have played a larger role in the story: and by larger role, I mean any.[/QUOTE] [quote][sp]In one of the Voxophone recordings, Jeremiah Fink mentions a brilliant biologist he's observing through a tear. This could be a nod to Dr. Brigid Tenenbaum, which in turn would imply that Fink may have drawn inspiration from Tenenbaum's work on Plasmids, or possibly used it as a basis to create Vigors. This suggest a surprising amount of brilliance on Fink's part or his staff, being able to understand the technology well enough to reproduce it with much earlier technology without ADAM or EVE, and create a version not resulting in celluar degeneration or psychosis. [/sp][/quote]

[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;40140796]This was the only big fault I had with the game's story. I often found myself wondering how Vigors came to exist in Columbia (I'm sure it's explained in a voxophone I missed). Vigors definitely needed to have played a larger role in the story: and by larger role, I mean any.[/QUOTE] I dont understand the whole "No one used vigors", I mean yeah, we didnt see policemen shoot fireballs, or deflect bullets, but do you think they would allow any citizen, or even the low ranking officers use things like that?

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;40140826]--[/QUOTE] [sp]I dunno about you guys, but all the enemies that abused vigors all acted pretty fucking crazy[/sp]

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40140073]Possession, especially on patriots, use the bird on the airships, devil kiss traps where the vox land and you win.[/QUOTE] [sp] Use a handcannon or repeater to take down the massive cannons on the front of the ships that shoot from the end of the deck, use the songbird on the first patriots and take down the zeppelin from the inside yourself. Then use the bird on the last two zeppelins. [/sp]

[QUOTE=SnowCanary;40125381]These are my thoughts as well, it's an incredibly mediocre game that happens to be well written.[/QUOTE] This. The gameplay felt like a chore to me, something I had to put up with to get to more of the story and find the audio logs.

Wasn't post from like 2 threads ago?- [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] [sp]Is there tear or something?[/sp] [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] Fortunate son just came on my spotify! What the fuck is going on man!

[QUOTE=The very best;40140862][sp]I dunno about you guys, but all the enemies that abused vigors all acted pretty fucking crazy[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Just look at the side of Slate's head, harmless use at its best[/sp]

I cant help but imagine how fucked up Firemen look under their suits.

[QUOTE=Hobo4President;40140941]This. The gameplay felt like a chore to me, something I had to put up with to get to more of the story and find the audio logs.[/QUOTE] I think that shooters in general are becoming pretty tired. There haven't been many great innovations to the shooter recently, and Infinite didn't help much beyond flipping the grav-gun type convention around with the skyhook. I haven't played an FPS recently that has really wowed me with its gameplay, and Infinite, while fun, didn't do anything innovative with gameplay. The areas where it truly shines are in the artistic - story, character development, and worldbuild. I even find myself extremely bored by the gameplay in Half-Life 2, but it's undeniably an amazing game. We just need some new blood in the shooter gameplay conventions.

My thoughts on the vigors and salts; [sp]It could be argued that vigors were only just entering the stage of public consumption and use on a wider scale, considering the city wide event (can't remember what it was though, it's late where I am) that was going on at the time of Bookers arrival. It'd make sense to have the fair as a sort of staging ground for people to try out the free samples, with a ton of salt dispensing vending machines conveniently set up for people to spend money on after picking their poison. The shock jock generators also just seemed to have been coming into effect too in select areas, sort of supporting the idea that this was a new thing. Going off that though, the Order of the Crow blokes and those fire shooting guys seemed to have been further along in their vigor use, but considering the fact that the order guys seemed to have a higher and more seedy place in the social hierarchy I'd imagine they'd get some early access, especially to a vigor that thematically matched their group. Along with that the fire guys seemed to have a part in either the military or police force, so providing a few of your anti-civil disobedience goons and soldiers with the ability to shoot fire seems like a good idea on paper. As for the aspect of mental instability, both parties seemed pretty off kilter. Not as much as the splicers but you could argue that could be either due to the difference in consumption of plasmids and vigor's (injecting and ingesting respectively) or the fact that not as much time and abuse has passed. That's just my take anyway, can't deny salts and vigors were pretty under-explained in the grand scheme of things[/sp]

[sp]So if all of the Comstock timelines were destroyed... what made them go back to kill Booker before he could become Comstock?[/sp]

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;40141038][sp]So if all of the Comstock timelines were destroyed... what made them go back to kill Booker before he could become Comstock?[/sp][/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Medevilae;40135238]Of course he is he's a twit[/QUOTE] He's a Dimwit

[sp]So if you are the booker from the "screw baptism" timeline wouldn't comstock be a different booker?[/sp]