BioShock Infinite thread VII: I appreciate a lady, who appreciates value! - Games

[sp]Did Letuce know that Booker being successful would result in the siphon being destroyed, or was their original plan for Booker to bring Elizabeth back to New York like they wrote on the back of the photograph? It would of been interesting if they did take the air ship to New York, as they would of arrived there but still in Comstocks universe, meaning Booker would of arrived at his office to find it's no longer his (and may never have been).[/sp]

[QUOTE=Wyvers;40142570][sp]Did Letuce know that Booker being successful would result in the siphon being destroyed, or was their original plan for Booker to bring Elizabeth back to New York like they wrote on the back of the photograph? It would of been interesting if they did take the air ship to New York, as they would of arrived there but still in Comstocks universe, meaning Booker would of arrived at his office to find it's no longer his (and may never have been).[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The Lutece's never intended 'Lizbeth to be brought back to new york, that was Bookers delusion. They only wanted redemption for causing the mess in the first place.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Jzzb;40140353][video=youtube;A6AwwoO8UFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6AwwoO8UFA[/video][/QUOTE] brushing her hair back behind her ear to hear the conversation is a really nice touch that i only noticed the second playthrough

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;40142422][t]http://mlpchan.net/chat/src/1364989558844.jpg[/t] This makes me giggle every time I see it.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/2t4m8[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40138692]umm so can I ask a question is it physically possible to unlock "Heartbreaker" Or is that just a legend because I think in some alternate dimension it's possible but definitely not this one[/QUOTE] I got it playing on hard on my first encounter with the carbine~

i have heartbreaker [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/Rusty100/stats/BioShockInfinite/?tab=achievements[/url]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40143312]i have heartbreaker [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/Rusty100/stats/BioShockInfinite/?tab=achievements[/url][/QUOTE] Why are my achievements broke? [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004/stats/BioShockInfinite/?tab=achievements[/url] :(

I got Heartbreaker accidentaly. I just checked my acheivements after I finished the game and I guess I just got really, really lucky.

[QUOTE=Delta616;40132966][IMG]http://puu.sh/2sBCp[/IMG] Error, or Steam Workshop support coming to Infinite? That would be AWESOME![/QUOTE] Late reply - Co-op mod? Co-operation partners could be [sp]Bookers from another dimensions.[/sp]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulwg6M8I0F0&feature=youtu.be[/media] When he says 'all in-between' would that suggest that transsexualism is a regular thing in Columbia and isn't frowned upon as they do with other races? or is he just advertising

[QUOTE=Killuah;40141866][sp]Also why do the dead "remember being dead" when in fact it's Booker and Elizabeth changing dimensions?[/sp] The plot doesn't stay true to its own principles. All in all I'd like the game much more if it stayed true to the whole racism/religion critique.[/QUOTE] it's because [sp]you merge the universes, I think the process of forcibly moving from one to the next through a tear carries over not only you, but everything within a certain range of you, which is why you only see the effect in the area you just passed through. ALSO they don't quite remember being dead, they've merged memories and are kind of unsure about everything.[/sp] going back to the question you answered, [QUOTE=Nibwoddle;40141422]One thing I still don't quite understand: [sp]If a person merges with themself if they enter a universe with another of the themselves alive in it, how come Booker didn't assimilate Comstock's memories just by being in Columbia?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]by doing a full-on tear opening jump, your universe seems to have the merge/overlap effect. HOWEVER, if a tear is opened in one universe and you are passed through it, it doesn't merge, you're merely transported from within one to the other. This is why there are two Luteces, since they're both just different versions of the same person.[/sp] it's kind of hinted at though, that [sp]every now and again elizabeth jumps universes to bring you back from the dead or something, because nosebleeds are noted to happen to merged people. This is also why you don't remember key things like the finger, you're presumably one of the versions of you who didn't actually have the experience of losing the baby and all that, though you still kind of remembered- remember what you said when beating up comstock on the airship.[/sp] with vigors, it's been explained pretty well but I just want to reiterate, [sp]I think they found the plasmids and felt it was just an easy way to cash in. It's presented in the fair as a gimmick, I'm not sure they even know there's side effects yet, let alone would they have found a way to re-engineer them. Citizens likely don't use them regularly but are allowed to get a taste for recreational purposes, whilst you see more militant people occasionally using them, IE the fireman, crow priests and the dude with the electric stuff, all of whom are clearly mental by the point you find them.[/sp] [QUOTE=Zeb Brown;40141926]Explain to me what the fuck is [sp]"Quantum particles. suspended in space-time at a fixed height"[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]much like the idea of quantum entanglement, where two particles are linked in state (positive or negative) despite any distance, I presume they found a way to cause particles to remain at a fixed height in relation to earth's gravitational pull or something of the sort. More or less the equivalent of using magnetic fields to hold an object in the air, but in a different set of physics rules[/sp] [url=http://phantomhd.eu/gfx/custom/photos/7.jpg]related picture[/url]

Okay here is the complete translation of the ciphertext [sp]Old-Lizabeth hands to you[/sp] I AM A CODE: I SHOULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED OVER FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE OFFICIAL IN THE FUTURE, BUT I'LL DO AS A STAND-IN FOR NOW I SUPPOSE. [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] I'm wondering if they were going to put something much more interesting but got a bit lazy. Meh.

So guys I made a thing: [video=youtube;hfmGWsVs1Mg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfmGWsVs1Mg[/video] No spoilers, no edits, just 1999 Mode. Also Fraps lagged for 3 seconds at start.

A bit unrelated, but I tried playing Bioshock 2 on PC, and did for some time. Unfortunately while the crappy port did not make it completely unplayable, it made it have enough issues for it to be annoying and game experience ruining. Thankfully I am now convinced that playing any of the Bioshock games on hard gives you the best experience, because it actually forces you to play it how it is truly meant to be played. I definitely realized that I missed out on a metric shitton of the actual Bioshock experience by initially playing it on medium.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;40143935]it's because [sp]you merge the universes, I think the process of forcibly moving from one to the next through a tear carries over not only you, but everything within a certain range of you, which is why you only see the effect in the area you just passed through. ALSO they don't quite remember being dead, they've merged memories and are kind of unsure about everything.[/sp] going back to the question you answered, [sp]by doing a full-on tear opening jump, your universe seems to have the merge/overlap effect. HOWEVER, if a tear is opened in one universe and you are passed through it, it doesn't merge, you're merely transported from within one to the other. This is why there are two Luteces, since they're both just different versions of the same person.[/sp] it's kind of hinted at though, that [sp]every now and again elizabeth jumps universes to bring you back from the dead or something, because nosebleeds are noted to happen to merged people. This is also why you don't remember key things like the finger, you're presumably one of the versions of you who didn't actually have the experience of losing the baby and all that, though you still kind of remembered- remember what you said when beating up comstock on the airship.[/sp] with vigors, it's been explained pretty well but I just want to reiterate, [sp]I think they found the plasmids and felt it was just an easy way to cash in. It's presented in the fair as a gimmick, I'm not sure they even know there's side effects yet, let alone would they have found a way to re-engineer them. Citizens likely don't use them regularly but are allowed to get a taste for recreational purposes, whilst you see more militant people occasionally using them, IE the fireman, crow priests and the dude with the electric stuff, all of whom are clearly mental by the point you find them.[/sp] [sp]much like the idea of quantum entanglement, where two particles are linked in state (positive or negative) despite any distance, I presume they found a way to cause particles to remain at a fixed height in relation to earth's gravitational pull or something of the sort. More or less the equivalent of using magnetic fields to hold an object in the air, but in a different set of physics rules[/sp] [url=http://phantomhd.eu/gfx/custom/photos/7.jpg]related picture[/url][/QUOTE] So what do the tears actually do now? [sp]If they merged dimensions, the whole "sell Anna to the Comstock in the other dimension" deal doesn't make sense. And still if so, why do people, especially Fitzroy, still remember Booker as dead in the universe where the Vox made the uprising? Why do they not get the merged memory of Booker dieing as a hero and still being alive? The only one affected by double memory seems to be Booker (he remembers dieing while fighting together with Slate in a dialogue) The way you explained it: " by doing a full-on tear opening jump, your universe seems to have the merge/overlap effect. HOWEVER, if a tear is opened in one universe and you are passed through it, it doesn't merge, you're merely transported from within one to the other. This is why there are two Luteces, since they're both just different versions of the same person. " and " you merge the universes, I think the process of forcibly moving from one to the next through a tear carries over not only you, but everything within a certain range of you, which is why you only see the effect in the area you just passed through. ALSO they don't quite remember being dead, they've merged memories and are kind of unsure about everything" So what is it now? Until the finale we change dimension twice, once to save the weapon smith in the jail and that's when we meet the guards remembering their death and a second time when we have to get the machinery back to the smith. That's where Booker, and Booker alone, has problems of double memory. You use two explainations for the same thing(dimension change) happening with different consequences(first time all the people with double memories, second time only Booker) [/sp] What I think is happening here is Levine forgetting about his own rules, e.g. he sacrifices consistency for the sake of developing the whole [sp]multiverse[/sp] story. Should've stayed with the prophet/religion/racism criticism.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;40144018]Okay here is the complete translation of the ciphertext [sp]Old-Lizabeth hands to you[/sp] I AM A CODE: I SHOULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED OVER FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE OFFICIAL IN THE FUTURE, BUT I'LL DO AS A STAND-IN FOR NOW I SUPPOSE. [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] I'm wondering if they were going to put something much more interesting but got a bit lazy. Meh.[/QUOTE] How did you even crack that? Did you check it against the other Vox ciphers that you crack and develop some kind of alphabet?

[QUOTE=Swebonny;40144018]Okay here is the complete translation of the ciphertext [sp]Old-Lizabeth hands to you[/sp] I AM A CODE: I SHOULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED OVER FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE OFFICIAL IN THE FUTURE, BUT I'LL DO AS A STAND-IN FOR NOW I SUPPOSE. [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] I'm wondering if they were going to put something much more interesting but got a bit lazy. Meh.[/QUOTE] Probably the most cryptic placeholder I've seen.

[QUOTE=a-cookiesfan;40144147]How did you even crack that? Did you check it against the other Vox ciphers that you crack and develop some kind of alphabet?[/QUOTE] I cracked it by comparing Elizabeth's cipher table in her room, and the note [sp]Old-Elizabeth gives to you[/sp] Then I built up the alphabet from whatever she had solved, as seen on the cipher table. [B]BUT[/B] it fucking turned out there was nothing really to be solved since the damn key symbol to letter key was always visible to you... [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/gYlpqIx.jpg[/thumb] I had a picture with much worse quality, so I blame that. But as you see, in reality it's just a substitution cipher. 1 = A = symbol for A. 2 = B = symbol for B. And so on.

[QUOTE=Killuah;40144138]So what do the tears actually do now?[/QUOTE] [sp]not sure if I alliterated enough, but: two options: One- open a hole, drag something through from another universe. This is paradoxical theft, since now there are two copies of the same thing in one universe, and 0 left in the other. this is the explanation for why there can be both booker and comstock in one universe simultaneously Two- if you open it entirely, it merges. Whatever is in the immediate area ends up fusing with its twin because it made the jump. I can't really explain WHY things fuse instead of just duplicating like option one, but hey that's how it was presented. One could probably argue that opening up a tear like that near comstock would potentially fuse the two of you, but the multiverse thing would suggest there'd also be another booker/comstock in that universe so you'd line up accordingly or something. They could also have opened up their own rift and jumped to the next universe down the line this means that if there was an alternate 'you' there, you'd become one with him, gain memories and be confused because at the same time you don't remember them. Maybe you even hopped into your own body from alternate universes at random times, which is why you suddenly got nosebleeds at some points despite not having opened any rifts- alternatively, that could be the product of the Luteces hopping around themselves[/sp] but yeah I think the racism commentary [sp]didn't serve much purpose past starting the revolution[/sp] and could have been more developed, much like the extra uses for vigors.

[QUOTE=Killuah;40144138]So what do the tears actually do now? [sp]If they merged dimensions, the whole "sell Anna to the Comstock in the other dimension" deal doesn't make sense. And still if so, why do people, especially Fitzroy, still remember Booker as dead in the universe where the Vox made the uprising? Why do they not get the merged memory of Booker dieing as a hero and still being alive? The only one affected by double memory seems to be Booker (he remembers dieing while fighting together with Slate in a dialogue) The way you explained it: " by doing a full-on tear opening jump, your universe seems to have the merge/overlap effect. HOWEVER, if a tear is opened in one universe and you are passed through it, it doesn't merge, you're merely transported from within one to the other. This is why there are two Luteces, since they're both just different versions of the same person. " and " you merge the universes, I think the process of forcibly moving from one to the next through a tear carries over not only you, but everything within a certain range of you, which is why you only see the effect in the area you just passed through. ALSO they don't quite remember being dead, they've merged memories and are kind of unsure about everything" So what is it now? Until the finale we change dimension twice, once to save the weapon smith in the jail and that's when we meet the guards remembering their death and a second time when we have to get the machinery back to the smith. That's where Booker, and Booker alone, has problems of double memory. You use two explainations for the same thing(dimension change) happening with different consequences(first time all the people with double memories, second time only Booker) [/sp] What I think is happening here is Levine forgetting about his own rules, e.g. he sacrifices consistency for the sake of developing the whole [sp]multiverse[/sp] story. Should've stayed with the prophet/religion/racism criticism.[/QUOTE] [sp]I think that only the minimum power used by Elizabeth could 'merge' the universes she is, while the Lutece's machines could open gateways to other dimensions without affecting each other, at least not directly, like she does. After all, she is an anomaly.[/sp] [quote][sp]And still if so, why do people, especially Fitzroy, still remember Booker as dead in the universe where the Vox made the uprising? Why do they not get the merged memory of Booker dieing as a hero and still being alive? The only one affected by double memory seems to be Booker (he remembers dieing while fighting together with Slate in a dialogue)[/sp][/quote] [sp]Remember that she only spoke to us, she could had a nosebleed from this, because (my theory) if Booker had one, she probably had as well. Slate probably died again, so no worries there.[/sp] [quote]Should've stayed with the prophet/religion/racism criticism.[/quote] Just like I read on TvTropes, [sp] both Booker and Elizabeth are tired of staying on Columbia, because this prophet/religion/racism started a revolution, which got very violent in the universe 3 made by the second tear merge, and also, because both leaders were pretty much the same, only in different sides. Frankly, I also was tired of running around trying to fight something that I don't believe, so I was also tired of staying there, and that's why the story changed its focus to a more personal level. [/sp] [sp]If the game only pressed the social issue, nothing would come out of that, because the conflict itself, for us, players and playable characters, is meaningless. You had to choose a side (choices), but eventually you would join the Vox Populi, because the Founders want to kill you (illusion of free choice). And then you would eventually die, like Booker did when he join the Vox in the third merged universe.[/sp]

[QUOTE=daijitsu;40144325][sp]not sure if I alliterated enough, but: two options: One- open a hole, drag something through from another universe. This is paradoxical theft, since now there are two copies of the same thing in one universe, and 0 left in the other. this is the explanation for why there can be both booker and comstock in one universe simultaneously Two- if you open it entirely, it merges. Whatever is in the immediate area ends up fusing with its twin because it made the jump. I can't really explain WHY things fuse instead of just duplicating like option one, but hey that's how it was presented. One could probably argue that opening up a tear like that near comstock would potentially fuse the two of you, but the multiverse thing would suggest there'd also be another booker/comstock in that universe so you'd line up accordingly or something. They could also have opened up their own rift and jumped to the next universe down the line this means that if there was an alternate 'you' there, you'd become one with him, gain memories and be confused because at the same time you don't remember them. Maybe you even hopped into your own body from alternate universes at random times, which is why you suddenly got nosebleeds at some points despite not having opened any rifts- alternatively, that could be the product of the Luteces hopping around themselves[/sp] but yeah I think the racism commentary [sp]didn't serve much purpose past starting the revolution[/sp] and could have been more developed, much like the extra uses for vigors.[/QUOTE] [sp] What's the difference for the thing going through? Say person A goes through a tear, that's just the same as "opening it fully" for that person. The end result is the person switching the dimension. It doesn't make sense in itself[/sp]

[QUOTE=Killuah;40144369][sp] What's the difference for the thing going through? Say person A goes through a tear, that's just the same as "opening it fully" for that person. The end result is the person switching the dimension. It doesn't make sense in itself[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Probably because opening a tear is different then opening a gateway, a tear will probably merge different universes, while a gateway don't. If gateways did merge universes, Comstock would never to able to enter Booker-Booker universe, take his daughter AND bring her back to his.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Killuah;40144369][sp] What's the difference for the thing going through? Say person A goes through a tear, that's just the same as "opening it fully" for that person. The end result is the person switching the dimension. It doesn't make sense in itself[/sp][/QUOTE] I think you're clearly missing what Daijitsu is saying.

[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;40144341] [sp]If the game only pressed the social issue, nothing would come out of that, because the conflict itself, for us, players and playable characters, is meaningless. You had to choose a side (choices), but eventually you would join the Vox Populi, because the Founders want to kill you (illusion of free choice). And then you would eventually die, like Booker did when he join the Vox in the third merged universe.[/sp][/QUOTE] That's really up to the writing. It could've been a story about the [sp]Vox Populi uprising and becoming the new rulers, replacing the Free-Within-The-Rule-Of-The-Prophet system with a new collectivist, sorta communist system that worships collectivity and tries to merge all "races" into one by breeding programs. Could've kept the timejumping quantum-nonsense too and even stay personal with the story. I just feel like they lost focus after the 2nd big tear. Maybe we should call them tiers when refering to parts of the game. [/sp]

[sp]This isn't the first time you've done this, you're making up rules for the universe because you don't like the ones presented to you.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Winters;40144421]I think you're clearly missing what Daijitsu is saying.[/QUOTE] No, the two presented events in the game just don't make sense as, from a characters perspective, they are the same action([sp] a person changing dimensions[/sp]) but with different consequences.

[QUOTE=Killuah;40144433]I just feel like they lost focus after the 2nd big tear. Maybe we should call them tiers when refering to parts of the game.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The focus was never racism[/sp]

[QUOTE=Winters;40144446][sp]This isn't the first time you've done this, you're making up rules for the universe because you don't like the ones presented to you.[/sp][/QUOTE] I'm not making rules, I'm using my imagination to think about alternatives. It's fun. It's speculation. It's inspiration. And calling them tiers is more of a play on words, it just fits so nicely to "tears".

Finished 1999 mode. Yay.

[QUOTE=Winters;40144455][sp]The focus was never racism[/sp][/QUOTE] Yeah, no.