[QUOTE=KorJax;40091531]One thing I don't get is [sp]how the bleeding noses and the "ghost" apparitions relate to how all this works out. Is it basically that whenever a timeline is forked/created/changed the receiver of that gets a bloody nose?[/sp]
Also, I'm so fucking glad that Ken Levine got out of the script writing business to make games. This game pretty much proves he's one of the best writers in the industry bar none. He'll I'd say he's probably one of the best writers across all mediums.[/QUOTE]
They're handy dandy plot devices, really. There's no real explanation for them you just have to accept them and not think too much about them.
[sp]I don't think there's much in quantum mechanics relating to nosebleeds but I might be wrong.[/sp]
holy shit that was one of the greatest endings of any form of entertainment i've ever experienced
[QUOTE=KorJax;40091531]One thing I don't get is [sp]how the bleeding noses and the "ghost" apparitions relate to how all this works out. Is it basically that whenever a timeline is forked/created/changed the receiver of that gets a bloody nose?[/sp]
Also, I'm so fucking glad that Ken Levine got out of the script writing business to make games. This game pretty much proves he's one of the best writers in the industry bar none. He'll I'd say he's probably one of the best writers across all mediums.[/QUOTE]
Ken Levine is good, but he has had help, shouldnt just think of him as the main guy.
But hes been involved in consistently good stories and game design, he was one of the big minds behind Thief, which was an instant classic and influential, then System Shock 2, another instant classic and I would say the best writing out of any shock game, Bioshock 1, another 10/10 game, and now Infinite, another 10/10
The guy knows his shit but its not all him.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40091541][sp] Thats wrong. Booker is Comstock, the man of Columbia, Elizabeth is your daughter, She is the one to kill you, just like Jack was the one who killed Ryan, the man of Rapture, There is always a Lighthouse, a Man, and a City, its just gender swapped.
So Booker=Comstock=Ryan, Jack=Elizabeth. This is why they could both use the bathosphere, it has nothing to do with tears or Elizabeth magic.[/sp][/QUOTE]
wrong.
[sp]booker is jack, comstock is andrew ryan, and elizabeth are the little sisters. lucete is tenenbaum, songbird is big daddy, etc.[/sp]
Guys fucking guys
[sp]RAPTURE AND COLUMBIA ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING BUT JUST EXISTING IN DIFFERENT PARALLEL UNIVERSES
ELIZABETH BASICALLY ACHIEVES CHIM BEFORE KILLING HERSELF VIA KILLING YOU
THE WORLD IS MEANINGLESS TO HER NOW THAT SHE'S BASICALLY GOT INFINITE KNOWLEDGE
FUCK
this is so FUCKING RAD[/sp]
I'm still mind gasaming about how brilliant the ending is. Jesus CHRIST
FUCKG WHOT
How am I supposed to sleep tonight
[QUOTE=Winters;40091546][sp] So wait... is every single man, door, lighthouse timeline now closed? Like including Jacks?[/sp][/QUOTE]
no, [sp]the columbia timeline is closed but not all timelines[/sp]
[editline]30th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=KorJax;40091595]Guys fucking guys
[sp]RAPTURE AND COLUMBIA ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING BUT JUST EXISTING IN DIFFERENT PARALLEL UNIVERSES
ELIZABETH BASICALLY ACHIEVES CHIM
FUCK
this is so FUCKING RAD[/sp]
I'm still mind gasaming about how brilliant the ending is. Jesus CHRIST
FUCKG WHOT
How am I supposed to sleep tonight[/QUOTE]
i said this like, 2 pages ago and i said it again a page ago and i said it a third time this page. do you not read
[editline]30th March 2013[/editline]
and also i said it back when bioshock infinite was first announced and ken levine was talking about a parallel universe.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;40091599]no, [sp]the columbia timeline is closed but not all timelines[/sp]
[editline]30th March 2013[/editline]
i said this like, 2 pages ago and i said it again a page ago and i said it a third time this page. do you not read
[editline]30th March 2013[/editline]
[sp]and also i said it back when bioshock infinite was first announced and ken levine was talking about a parallel universe.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Spoiler much?
And yes, I know. I'm just excited because my mind is still blowing up and I need somewhere to just paste my emotions
i wouldn't exactly call that a spoiler since idk, ken levine even said it himself a year ago.
and it's a pretty obvious situation considering we hear absolutely nothing about columbia during bioshock 1
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;40091599][sp]and also i said it back when bioshock infinite was first announced and ken levine was talking about a parallel universe.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Not all of us have been reading the thread for that long.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;40091590]wrong.
[sp]booker is jack, comstock is andrew ryan, and elizabeth are the little sisters. lucete is tenenbaum, songbird is big daddy, etc.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]But Booker is Comstock [/sp]
[QUOTE=KorJax;40091531]One thing I don't get is [sp]how the bleeding noses and the "ghost" apparitions relate to how all this works out. Is it basically that whenever a timeline is forked/created/changed the receiver of that gets a bloody nose?[/sp]
Also, I'm so fucking glad that Ken Levine got out of the script writing business to make games. This game pretty much proves he's one of the best writers in the industry bar none. He'll I'd say he's probably one of the best writers across all mediums.[/QUOTE]
[sp]the minds of those traversing timelines cannot properly handle the conflicting memories
comstock thinks he is a prophet
booker forges a false reason for being in columbia
the guards in the police station lose their sanity
the lutece 'twins' totally tune into eachother, even more like being the same person than they already are
you get nosebleeds from the stress[/sp]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40091582]Ken Levine is good, but he has had help, shouldnt just think of him as the main guy.
But hes been involved in consistently good stories and game design, he was one of the big minds behind Thief, which was an instant classic and influential, then System Shock 2, another instant classic and I would say the best writing out of any shock game, Bioshock 1, another 10/10 game, and now Infinite, another 10/10
The guy knows his shit but its not all him.[/QUOTE]
Of course, but I do know he is the main writer of the games and he's the one who pretty much writes out the entire script (it's what he did after all before getting into design). Sure there's a lot of input and feedback from all sorts of people that contribute to many facets of the story but by and large the main plot threads of the shock games are written by him to the best of my knowledge.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40091620][sp]But Booker is Comstock [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]in an alternate timeline, but the booker we play is completely different in both actions and ideology compared to comstock.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rents;40087523][sp]He's an alternate her[/sp][/QUOTE]
Bioshock Infinite reminds me of L.A. Noire when it comes to all the foreshadowing and stuff like that (it's even more subtle in L.A. Noire though)
By that I mean that when you do a second playthrough, you start noticing all the little details and you're like "holy shit!"
For example, at the beginning at the game, I didn't really pay attention at the statue that does the weird vibration thing. I looked at it, thought "neat" and forgot about it 15 seconds later. But now that I've completed the game, I play through the beginning again, and I realize that [sp]the tear from an alternate universe changed the statue of Lutece from a man into a woman.[/sp]
Stuff like that is great to have in games
[QUOTE=Swebonny;40087989]During an AMA session on Reddit 3 months ago Ken Levine stated:
"...[B]There's another kind of replay value which is more story oriented[/B], but I can't really talk about that without spoiling shit SO DON'T ASK."
Anyone knows what he was meaning?[/QUOTE]
That might be what he was talking about!
[sp]if all alternate booker's were the same, why would they need several booker's to try out the columbia timeline only to fail and a few handful to succeed?[/sp]
last time I posted we were on the second thread. now I come back to version 5. jesus christ :v:
I just started playing Bioshock 1 again [sp]thanks to the Rapture cameo at the end of Infinite[/sp] and it's funny how I still find things I haven't found before in it.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;40091638][sp]in an alternate timeline, but the booker we play is completely different in both actions and ideology compared to comstock.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It doesnt matter, he is STILL him, its the same exact person, also Little Sisters cannot use Ryans bathospheres, there were signs saying all bathospheres were restricted, which was explained in Bioshock 1 saying Ryan was the only one being able to use them at that time, only those related to Ryan could use it which would be Booker and Elizabeth if they were Ryan and Jack, if so much is explained and forshadowed about all of the end, they wouldnt just overlook this and explain it "because magic" And what is to say there are little sisters? Those could be a Variable to the universe and not a constant so Elizabeth wouldnt even be related.[/sp]
Also, in a way
[sp]Cut content from the game are alternate universes we've not seen yet. I.E. a lot of the old concept art of elizabeth... shows up at the end of the game in the drowning scene, with multiple elizabeths where some of them were based on older concept art.[/sp]
On the topic of that scene...
[sp]Anyone notice that NONE of the elizabeths were wearing the pendant you gave her? And about that pendant, notice how the lutices were surprised at your choice? Does this mean that "your timeline's" elizabeth wasn't even present or involved in your drowning?[/sp]
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;40091651][sp]if all alternate booker's were the same, why would they need several booker's to try out the columbia timeline only to fail and a few handful to succeed?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Only 1 succeeded, that was the variable, and that was the one you were playing to my knowledge, the rest failed but the Luteces kept trying, it took 122 bookers for it to succeed.[/sp]
fuck i just realized [sp]when you first free Elizabeth and are going to that one station (or whatever the fuck it was), that woman stops you both and asks Elizabeth if she is Annabelle. ACSHULLY WAS ANNA HOLY FUARKKKK MY MIND[/sp]
Also holy fucking shit some guy on reddit made a great point on how the story actually makes logical sense out of the gameplay mechanics
[sp]One of the things someone mentioned the other day that I really liked was how we see a form of that in gameplay. Every time you die without Elizabeth, you wind up back in the office and have to enter the world again through the door. Theoretically, each time you re-enter the world, you're taking on a new DeWitt and playing them out since the one you were just with died. Same stories, same constants, just minor variables (ducking this time instead of being sniped).[/sp]
It's genius. It reminds me a lot of Braid, which did the same kinds of things - where the gameplay was pretty much part of the story and understanding it.
I don't see why [sp]people keep trying to compare characters from Infinite to characters from Bioshock 1. the only constant here is Booker, who is the Infinite version of Jack, everybody else is a variable, and has no relation to a Bioshock character.[/sp]
[QUOTE=KorJax;40091688]
[sp]Anyone notice that NONE of the elizabeths were wearing the pendant you gave her? And about that pendant, notice how the lutices were surprised at your choice? Does this mean that "your timeline's" elizabeth wasn't even present or involved in your drowning?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Fuck you, really? Now I HAVE to finish my second playthrough to see for certain.[/sp]
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;40091721]I don't see why [sp]people keep trying to compare characters from Infinite to characters from Bioshock 1. the only constant here is Booker, who is the Infinite version of Jack, everybody else is a variable, and has no relation to a Bioshock character.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]because the entire columbia timeline is a parallel to rapture timeline.[/sp]
[sp] I don't know why they'd be alternate counterparts since they existed at different times and were made by different people.[/sp]
FUCK I KEEP REALIZING SHIT
[sp]when elizabeth / anna opens a tear to rapture to kill the songbird, AS the songbird is dying and elizabeth is saying it's okay etc., in the background you can see a little sister crying over a dying big daddy. JESUS FUCK GUYS FUCKING SHIT FUCK[/sp]
[QUOTE=KorJax;40091688]
[sp]Anyone notice that NONE of the elizabeths were wearing the pendant you gave her? And about that pendant, notice how the lutices were surprised at your choice? Does this mean that "your timeline's" elizabeth wasn't even present or involved in your drowning?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Booker actually notices this. it's hard to hear, but if you have subtitles on at the end he actually says something along the lines of "Why are we here? Wait.. you're not.. who are you?" to Elizabeth when she's confronting him at his baptism.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40091761][sp] I don't know why they'd be alternate counterparts since they existed at different times and were made by different people.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]ideology taken to the extreme by a man who believes himself to be almighty and separates from the rest of the world by creating a massive fortress. you, the player, is sent to said fortress by a method of transportation hidden inside a lighthouse. plasmids = vigors, eve = salts. sure doesn't sound like alternate counterparts to me.[/sp]
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;40091746][sp]because the entire columbia timeline is a parallel to rapture timeline.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]only the city is a parallel to rapture. There's always a man, a lighthouse, and a city. those are the only constants. everything else is a variable.[/sp]
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