[QUOTE=Rusty100;40094222][Sp]Considering how powerful Elizabeth is, isn't it possible that she knows that drowning you and killing you, will erase the current booker/comstock timelines, and send you back to a third one? I feel like if she was just killing that booker forever, she'd have a few words with you before hand. But I think she knows she's sending you back, and she's sending you back with your memory intact. That's why I think she does it so upbruptly, because she knows you'll live on and remember it all. That's kind of what I'm thinking. In the end, she's killing herself (or at least, her identity), and not you.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I think this is kind of backed up by that post-credits scene, where the implication is given simply through the voice actor's delivery of "Anna...is that you?" that the 'final' Booker is completely aware of everything that happened, but now he's been given a chance to start fresh.[/sp]
I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming DLC expands on some of this.
I saw someone posting here with a wide-ass screenshots. How do you get your resolution to be customly set?
I can change ResX and ResY in XEngine.ini, but it has no effect on the game.
I'll re-post my explanation of the ending again. It also covers the nosebleeds and the constant - variable theme people have been discussing in this thread version. I've made some more changes, it's all built up from the information people have talked about it the different threads, I've just wrapped it all together:
[sp]After broken knee Booker wanted to wash away all the evil he had done in the battles. He goes to be baptised.
In one universe he excepts the baptism and rewrites him self as Comstock and goes forward to build Columbia.
In another dimension he refuses the baptism and remain Booker, living with his regrets, he gambles and gets into debt not before having a child Anna.
In the previously mentioned Comstock universe he sees through the tears that his daughter would carry on his dream. He sees this as a prophecy when really it is just another reality. He has no daughter and could not have one due to the tears making him sterile. So he uses the tear to take a 'daughter' of his from a universe where he didn't become Comstock and therefore had a child. This was Bookers universe.
Booker gives up his child Anna to pay the debt then regrets it and attempt to get her back, resulting in Anna (Elizabeth) loosing a finger. Anna being torn form one universe to another gives her the tear power; as the Lutece Twins say about the universe keeping it peas together.
Comstock sees through the tears that in every universe were this happens Booker tries to get her back and worries about having the truth get out so he kills his wife and the Lutece twins. I'm guessing through the Twin's understanding of the multiverse they survive in some way and decide to bring back Booker through a tear to set things right. This is where the game starts. On the boat at the beginning Booker's mind creates the memories of having to get the girl to wipe away the debt to make sense of the many lives.
But this is not the only time he has attempted to save Anna / Elizabeth, When the Twins ask him to flip a coin it comes out heads as it has a hundred or so time before when they had asked him in his different attempts in different universes. This shows that the path set, the destiny, seems to be unable to be changed. This idea of the same outcome happening every time is key, and is explained further with the Brooch decision.
How is this attempt any different from the others? The Brooch
The key bit to showing that this loop is broken is the choosing of the Brooch. The Elizabeth's at the very end are all not wearing a Brooch (although if they were wearing the opposite brooch I think the point would have been conveyed more clearly). Showing that these at not the Elizabeth you have been traveling with but also that this was the attempt where one choice was different and therefore the outcome was different. The coin flip is the constant and the brooch was the variable. Clever stuff no?
So the game goes on and we find out that to stop Comstock ever happening you must die at the baptism erasing him before he is 'born'.
But wait how does one Brooker effect all the possible Booker-soon-to-be-Comstocks, even the ones on distant related universes? The nosebleeds.
As explained earlier in the game when you see the people you killed after you traveled to a different universe they are confused and have nosebleeds. Elizabeth explains that by changing one reality you are effecting another, forcing the two lives to converge, one in which they are dead, one in which they are alive. Everytime Booker gets a nosebleed he is not only struggling against his rewritten false memories but also new ones being forced upon him.
This can be seen when he arrived in the Vox revolution universe and says he remembers leading the Voxpopuli. He remembers doing it even though technically this version of himself hasn't, the memory of his dead self is being forced upon him. Elizabeth tells him to concentrate and not think about it.
So every time he has a nose bleed new lives are being forced upon him, until by the very end he represents all Bookers for all universe effected by the Columbia loop and thereby being able to effect them all through his erasing.
By erasing the first decision that birthed all the universes with Comstock you erase Comstock from every universe and everything to do with Comstock.
This means you erase Elizabeth aswell. She will never be taken from Booker as Anna and will never do anything that happend. Infact nothing in the game will ever happen. This is shown after the credits where Booker is still alive and Anna is still there as there was never a Comstock universe to take her away.
After the credits you see Booker in new york with baby Anna, by destroying Comstock there are only realitises where he refused the baptism and continued to keep Anna. You guys can imagine a happy ending after that.
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[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40094312][sp]I think this is kind of backed up by that post-credits scene, where the implication is given simply through the voice actor's delivery of "Anna...is that you?" that the 'final' Booker is completely aware of everything that happened, but now he's been given a chance to start fresh.[/sp]
I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming DLC expands on some of this.[/QUOTE]
[sp]The post-credits scene doesn't imply anything. He's simply back in the time after he gave Anna away but before he Luteces took him to Columbia.[/sp]
or not, I don't know
What are the handymen saying when they attack? It sounds like they dont want to fight you but I cant hear over the constant attacking.
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;40094364]What are the handymen saying when they attack? It sounds like they dont want to fight you but I cant hear over the constant attacking.[/QUOTE]
From the ones I can remember:
"My heart...it HURTS!"
"The pain, THE PAIN!"
"It's like walking...on coals!"
"Everything hurts!"
Yeah, they're not happy people.
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;40094364]What are the handymen saying when they attack? It sounds like they dont want to fight you but I cant hear over the constant attacking.[/QUOTE]
[sp]"It Hurts"[/sp] was one that always stood out to me.
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[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40094377]From the ones I can remember:
"My heart...it HURTS!"
"The pain, THE PAIN!"
"It's like walking...on coals!"
"Everything hurts!"
Yeah, they're not happy people.[/QUOTE]
you can tell they're always in pain in the beginning. The Handyman always looks like he's in pain from the camera.
Wait a second, one thing we haven't really talked about is Comstock's prophesies. [sp]Comstock used tears to see into the future so he knew DeWitt was coming, but the reason DeWitt is coming is because Letuce brings him through. Does this mean Comstock saw Letuce doing this so decided to kill the Letuces off in his timeline? But if he looked in the tear he would have seen that the reason the Letuces help DeWitt is because he killed them. Maybe killing the Letuces was inevitable and he realized that? [/sp]
Brain hurts
[sp]When Booker and Elizabeth are in Booker's office/apartment thing and Robert Lutece is standing through a tear where the lighthouse is, is that how Booker originally gotten to his Comstock timeline?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sean C;40094455]Wait a second, one thing we haven't really talked about is Comstock's prophesies. [sp]Comstock used tears to see into the future so he knew DeWitt was coming, but the reason DeWitt is coming is because Letuce brings him through. Does this mean Comstock saw Letuce doing this so decided to kill the Letuces off in his timeline? But if he looked in the tear he would have seen that the reason the Letuces help DeWitt is because he killed them. Maybe killing the Letuces was inevitable and he realized that? [/sp]
Brain hurts[/QUOTE]
[sp]He probably have seen only one or two versions of it. It's not like he will keep opening tears and going Peek-a-boo!.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sean C;40094455]Wait a second, one thing we haven't really talked about is Comstock's prophesies. [sp]Comstock used tears to see into the future so he knew DeWitt was coming, but the reason DeWitt is coming is because Letuce brings him through. Does this mean Comstock saw Letuce doing this so decided to kill the Letuces off in his timeline? But if he looked in the tear he would have seen that the reason the Letuces help DeWitt is because he killed them. Maybe killing the Letuces was inevitable and he realized that? [/sp]
Brain hurts[/QUOTE]
[sp]He killed the Luteces because they knew the truth about Elizabeth.[/sp]
[sp]but any tear with DeWitt in columbia is due to letuce bringing him them there and they only do that to get back at comstock so comstock shouldn't kill them[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40094222][Sp]Considering how powerful Elizabeth is, isn't it possible that she knows that drowning you and killing you, will erase the current booker/comstock timelines, and send you back to a third one? I feel like if she was just killing that booker forever, she'd have a few words with you before hand. But I think she knows she's sending you back, and she's sending you back with your memory intact. That's why I think she does it so upbruptly, because she knows you'll live on and remember it all. That's kind of what I'm thinking. In the end, she's killing herself (or at least, her identity), and not you.[/sp][/QUOTE]
And I think you're entirely correct.
[sp]Elizabeth is so powerful and is able to comprehend so much once the siphon is destroyed. She probably loves you to bits, as Booker does her (which is established fairly early on, with his reluctance to turn her over even in his dreams.) If Elizabeth knew she was going to be ending the life of somebody who had saved hers and basically at the very least their own reality, she'd do more than just whisper "Smother" in a creepy tone and drown you. Hell, if she knew she was going to erase herself on time she'd at least say goodbye and apologize or something.
What holds all this together, is how we don't see our Elizabeth fade in to nothingness. She, like the others, moves away a little bit and glances up, then the screen goes black. When Booker is in his office post credits, he reacts in a way a normal person who hadn't been fucked with Quantum Sciences wouldn't have. He sounds surprised, as if he knows Anna is/should be gone.[/sp]
[sp]Is there a voxophone with a recording of Comstock and Andrew Ryan talking? Or is that just some silly rumor?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cassel;40094714][sp]Is there a voxophone with a recording of Comstock and Andrew Ryan talking? Or is that just some silly rumor?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Thats the dumbest rumour I've ever heard
Definitely worth a second play through. Some of the foreshadowing is so damn subtle that I'd have never thought it relevant.
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Just saw this on the community page.
[QUOTE=Dirf;40094946][img]http://h.dropcanvas.com/taicm/bioshock.PNG[/img]
Just saw this on the community page.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that it's satirical.
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;40094954]Pretty sure that it's satirical.[/QUOTE]
After using internet for more than 12 years... I've seen enough to actually thing otherwise, but who knows, we can't really hear the "voice" in which OP wrote that...
[QUOTE=Avager;40094997]After using internet for more than 12 years... I've seen enough to actually thing otherwise, but who knows, we can't really hear the "voice" in which OP wrote that...[/QUOTE]
Poe's law
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;40094954]Pretty sure that it's satirical.[/QUOTE]
I read a discussion on "The Blaze."
...there are actually a lot of people out there like that.
Also, this was posted on Reddit.
[img]http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2010/316/177263_128970590432.jpg[/img]
Well how do ya like that...
Regarding the brooches, [sp]In the finale, what if our elizabeth, the one with the brooch, stayed with booker that didn't get baptised at the lake, and the other elizabeths drowned the comstock booker? That would leave us with both elizabeth and booker together, but then there's the baby that comes later and it gets all sorts of muddied again.[/sp]
Lmao this is what my bf said about the ending, he hasnt beaten the game yet
[quote]I really want the ending to just be a black screen with text saying "Guys just play along, tell your friends this ending is f*%king mind blowing"[/quote]
[QUOTE=KorJax;40095038]Lmao this is what my bf said about the ending, he hasnt beaten the game yet[/QUOTE]
the ending was so
[sp]he's onto us...[/sp]
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;40094954]Pretty sure that it's satirical.[/QUOTE]
People on Stormfront are legitimately outraged about the game.
So I'm listening to Will the Circle Be Unbroken right now, and I just realized,
[sp]"One by one, their seats were emptied, and one by one, they went away.
Now the family, is parted, will it be, complete, one day?"
This correlates with the Elizabeths disappearing as Booker drowned during the baptism at the end. One by one the Elizabeths vanished, lastly with the Elizabeth who looks like [i]our[/i] Elizabeth; "now the family is parted."
And as for the "will it be complete one day?" part? Booker in the after-credits scene going to check on Anna.
This is of course not referencing the plethora of other obvious and not-so-obvious relations also in the song.[/sp]
Did they every explain the vigors in the game, they explained plasmids in bioshock but I don't remember any explanation of vigors in this one
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40095243]Did they every explain the vigors in the game, they explained plasmids in bioshock but I don't remember any explanation of vigors in this one[/QUOTE]
it was kind of weird that as soon as you arrive you can abruptly just use a vigor in one of the carnival things, no explanation beforehand or anything. you just suddenly can do it.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40095243]Did they every explain the vigors in the game, they explained plasmids in bioshock but I don't remember any explanation of vigors in this one[/QUOTE]
Science
I miss physics in this game.
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