[QUOTE=Rusty100;40095278]it was kind of weird that as soon as you arrive you can abruptly just use a vigor in one of the carnival things, no explanation beforehand or anything. you just suddenly can do it.[/QUOTE]
When Booker first drinks the Devils Kiss you get from the fireman, he goes "That wasn't no sample." I think the vigor you use at the carnival was a sample kind, with just enough kick to last you till the end of that carnival game.
That's my theory, anyway.
You guys are constantly talkin about [sp]Booker being Comstock?[/sp]
I didnt really understand the ending at all when I played it, so I read through a few of your versions,
but what gives you guys that impression?
Also: is there a humming version of "will the circle be unbroken" anywhere? Pretty sure that I heard it at the end.
[QUOTE=Aperture fan;40095335]When Booker first drinks the Devils Kiss you get from the fireman, he goes "That wasn't no sample." I think the vigor you use at the carnival was a sample kind, with just enough kick to last you till the end of that carnival game.
That's my theory, anyway.[/QUOTE]
the sample he's referring to was the posession one which he got for free as a sample just beforehand which is obviously a lot kinder to your body than the others
Also what happened the the boys of silence? It seems like they just binned the concept but didn't want to waste the model. I was kind of disappointed really.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095346]You guys are constantly talkin about [sp]Booker being Comstock?[/sp]
I didnt really understand the ending at all when I played it, so I read through a few of your versions,
but what gives you guys that impression?[/QUOTE]
what gives you the impression they're just impressions
its a fact. if you paid enough attention to the game it confirms this at every possible opportunity
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40095349]the sample he's referring to was the posession one which he got for free as a sample just beforehand which is obviously a lot kinder to your body than the others[/QUOTE]
Right, the Possession vigor you got was a "sample". Forgot about that.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40095363]what gives you the impression they're just impressions
its a fact. if you paid enough attention to the game it confirms this at every possible opportunity[/QUOTE]
How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.
[sp]Not related to the ending, but what the hell was that accent when she asked Booker if he's afraid of God?[/sp]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40095361]Also what happened the the boys of silence? It seems like they just binned the concept but didn't want to waste the model. I was kind of disappointed really.[/QUOTE]
In earlier versions of the game Boys of Scilence were basically infinite's versions of security cameras
At some point they probably decided that they wanted Infinite to have a more action-focused approach to it instead of the system-shock inspired survival horror shooter the first one was. It kind of makes sense really, the cameras and such were great for the type of thing Bioshock/System Shock did (confined, "horror" like survival shooter), but probably wouldn't make too much sense in the grand scheme of things with the skylines and faster action pace in this one.
But the concept was cool enough to keep them in for one level - as basically security cameras in an asylum (that technically can't be killed, which I didn't know when I played through the area :v:)
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095382]How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.[/QUOTE]
[sp]Booker's baptisim created 2 universes: one where he accepted the baptisim, became comstock, and went to columbia, the other where he rejected the baptisim and birthed anna and gave her away.[/sp]
That's the simple version anyway.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095382]How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.[/QUOTE]
maybe you should read, like
any post in this thread, and you'd get your answer
it comes from being the entire game's plot. that's where it comes from. i don't really get how you can ask that. it's like you watch breaking bad and go 'yeah but where does the fact he cooks meth COME FROM??'
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095382]How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.[/QUOTE]
Probably from the fact that it is literally stated at the very end.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095382]How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.[/QUOTE]
[sp]In a specific timeline, Booker got baptized and changed his name to Zachary Comstock. Then he went to create Columbia.[/sp]
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095382]How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.[/QUOTE]
How's this for a fact?
[sp]Right at the very end, when all the Elizabeths are about to drown Booker, they go "He's Booker" and "He's Comstock."
Booker then says, "I'm both."
Then they drown him.[/sp]
More questions:
[sp]Who was the guardian angel that talked to Comstock? I was thinking that it might have taken more than just a hallucination to make DeWitt become Comstock. Also, why was it such a big deal to kill Comstock in all dimensions? And if you can drown all the DeWitts that can become Comstocks at once, couldn't you kill theme at any point? [/sp]
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;40095382]How about you answer my question instead of playing the smartass?
As I said before, I didnt quite get the ending and would like to hear what leads you guys to that "fact".
Im not questioning it, I just wonder where it comes from.[/QUOTE]
Story explanations are being posted three times per page in this thread dude it's not that hard.
so i just beat the game
[sp] so anna is in the crib? and booker gets to restart his life with anna?[/sp]
[QUOTE=mopman999;40095721]so i just beat the game
[sp] so anna is in the crib? and booker gets to restart his life with anna?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]That's the assumption.[/sp]
[QUOTE=mopman999;40095721]so i just beat the game
[sp] so anna is in the crib? and booker gets to restart his life with anna?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]We assume that yes[/sp]
Wonder what the DLC will be about.
[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;40095788][sp]We assume that yes[/sp]
Wonder what the DLC will be about.[/QUOTE]
[sp]I hope they do more with Songbird; I thought he/she/it was underused.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sharp_Shooter;40095473][sp]In a specific timeline, Booker got baptized and changed his name to Zachary Comstock. Then he went to create Columbia.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Which, with the help of Rosalinda Lutece, was able to float through quantum physics. Later on she found her alternate version of herself in a different universe through a tear, and Comstock ordered more experimenting. Eventually, they were able to engineer tears that were passable. However, Comstock's constant exposure (obtaining visions of the future, prophecy etc.) to the tears made him sterile, get cancer, and rapidly age.
Worried that he would not have any offspring to complete his "prophecy", he orders the Lutece twins to obtain an heir from a different timeline. In that timeline, Booker did not get babtised, got a child (Anne DeWitte), and drank/gambled his way into debt due to his guilt of what he has done at Wounded Knee. Robert Lutece made use of this by acting as an agent to make him sell his child to him in order to clear his debt. Afterwards, Robert gives Comstock the child and passes through into the Columbia timeline in the alleyway scene. However, over time, Robert saw the mistreatment of Elizabeth, and through a tear, the twins saw the future Comstock's upbringing of Elizabeth would create: The destruction of New York in 1984. These things made them decide to try and fix what they've done. They are found out by Comstock though.
Comstock, trying to hide the truth of Elizabeth's origins, ordered the death of his wife and the twins, the latter of which was orchestrated by Fink through "an accident". Assumed dead, they were actually able to exist in and out of time and space. Going wherever and whenever they wanted to go. Still not satisfied with how events are turning out, and afraid that their direct interference may make things much worse, they take Booker DeWitte into their own timeline to act as their agent, and order him to "Bring the child and wipe away the debt." Their bringing in of Booker creates conflicting memories and events within his memories, in which he forgets the alleyway encounter with Comstock and the tear, Anne's dissapearance and a bunch of other stuff, only leaving the prominent memory of "Clearing the debt", which he assumes is his gambling debt.
This is where the game takes off.[/sp]
Wrote this mainly so I can remember it myself, but also for BloodYScar to comprehend the ending.
One thing I don't quite get
[sp]It's pretty apparent that in booker's universe columbia doesn't exist at all, which explains why he's never heard of it and obviously because he's the one who makes columbia in another universe.
That means he must have been brought into the columbia universe via the lutece twins, and this is implied to be true at the end when you go to the shoreline where they are standing from elizabeth's tear.
But then, why did the concept of "tears" seem really odd to him then when you play through the game? It's obvious he had no idea what they were, or that he even experienced going through a tear in the first place - he thinks columbia is in the same universe that he exists in. So how does he get to the columbia universe without him know that he went through a tear to get there?
Also another thing that is odd to me is just how old comstock appears, even though booker/comstock are the same exact age (they would have to be, because the timelines of both booker's universe and the universe that columbia exists in occur in the same date, as booker doesn't think twice about it being 1912, and all the news papers in columbia say its 1912 as well. So that means booker = the same age as comstock... yet booker looks like he's in his 30's and comstock straight up looks like he's in his late 60's?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40095650]More questions:
[sp]Who was the guardian angel that talked to Comstock? I was thinking that it might have taken more than just a hallucination to make DeWitt become Comstock. Also, why was it such a big deal to kill Comstock in all dimensions? And if you can drown all the DeWitts that can become Comstocks at once, couldn't you kill theme at any point? [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It is [I]assumed[/I] to be an alternative version of Elizabeth, though that's all I can explain on it...[/sp]
[editline]30th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=KorJax;40095834]One thing I don't quite get
[sp]It's pretty apparent that in booker's universe columbia doesn't exist at all, which explains why he's never heard of it and obviously because he's the one who makes columbia in another universe.
That means he must have been brought into the columbia universe via the lutece twins, and this is implied to be true at the end when you go to the shoreline where they are standing from elizabeth's tear.
But then, why did the concept of "tears" seem really odd to him then when you play through the game? It's obvious he had no idea what they were, or that he even experienced going through a tear in the first place - he thinks columbia is in the same universe that he exists in. So how does he get to the columbia universe without him know that he went through a tear to get there?
Also another thing that is odd to me is just how old comstock appears, even though booker/comstock are the same exact age (they would have to be, because the timelines of both booker's universe and the universe that columbia exists in occur in the same date, as booker doesn't think twice about it being 1912, and all the news papers in columbia say its 1912 as well. So that means booker = the same age as comstock... yet booker looks like he's in his 30's and comstock straight up looks like he's in his late 60's?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Read my above post, explains it all!
[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;40095788][sp]We assume that yes[/sp]
Wonder what the DLC will be about.[/QUOTE]
[sp]B-but I don't assume that. I hope and pray that it's Elizabeth holding baby Anna, otherwise it's a waste of a wonderfully formed and bonded character (Elizabeth). That way Booker gets to raise up his kid properly, but still has Elizabeth - his stolen child - that has grown up to be a wonderful person, and they've also bonded very well throughout the game. The implication that Elizabeth has popped out of existence (which can only be assumed wrong, really. Considering we don't see our Columbia Elizabeth pop out of existence, and Booker sounds more surprised than curious when he hears the crib stuff post credits. That, and the Elizabeth's we see during the ending don't have any of the necklaces that Elizabeth wore throughout most of the game, aside from that single scene,) would be depressing.[/sp]
elizabeth fanclub no prophets allowed
I pre ordered Bioshock Infinite in the last hour before release, and didn't even notice i now have bioshock and XCOM enemy unknown too :suicide:
[QUOTE=DarkWolf2;40095823][sp]Which, with the help of Rosalinda Lutece, was able to float through quantum physics. Later on she found her alternate version of herself in a different universe through a tear, and Comstock ordered more experimenting. Eventually, they were able to engineer tears that were passable. However, Comstock's constant exposure (obtaining visions of the future, prophecy etc.) to the tears made him sterile, get cancer, and rapidly age.
Worried that he would not have any offspring to complete his "prophecy", he orders the Lutece twins to obtain an heir from a different timeline. In that timeline, Booker did not get babtised, got a child (Anne DeWitte), and drank/gambled his way into debt due to his guilt of what he has done at Wounded Knee. Robert Lutece made use of this by acting as an agent to make him sell his child to him in order to clear his debt. Afterwards, Robert gives Comstock the child and passes through into the Columbia timeline in the alleyway scene. However, over time, Robert saw the mistreatment of Elizabeth, and through a tear, the twins saw the future Comstock's upbringing of Elizabeth would create: The destruction of New York in 1984. These things made them decide to try and fix what they've done. They are found out by Comstock though.
Comstock, trying to hide the truth of Elizabeth's origins, ordered the death of his wife and the twins, the latter of which was orchestrated by Fink through "an accident". Assumed dead, they were actually able to exist in and out of time and space. Going wherever and whenever they wanted to go. Still not satisfied with how events are turning out, and afraid that their direct interference may make things much worse, they take Booker DeWitte into their own timeline to act as their agent, and order him to "Bring the child and wipe away the debt." Their bringing in of Booker creates conflicting memories and events within his memories, in which he forgets the alleyway encounter with Comstock and the tear, Anne's dissapearance and a bunch of other stuff, only leaving the prominent memory of "Clearing the debt", which he assumes is his gambling debt.
This is where the game takes off.[/sp]
Wrote this mainly so I can remember it myself, but also for BloodYScar to comprehend the ending.[/QUOTE]
[sp]But I thought DeWitt did remember Anna, but didn't really say anything specific to Elizabeth because he was ashamed.[/sp]
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;40095856][sp]B-but I don't assume that. I hope and pray that it's Elizabeth holding baby Anna, otherwise it's a waste of a wonderfully formed and bonded character (Elizabeth). That way Booker gets to raise up his kid properly, but still has Elizabeth - his stolen child - that has grown up to be a wonderful person, and they've also bonded very well throughout the game. The implication that Elizabeth has popped out of existence (which can only be assumed wrong, really. Considering we don't see our Columbia Elizabeth pop out of existence, and Booker sounds more surprised than curious when he hears the crib stuff post credits. That, and the Elizabeth's we see during the ending don't have any of the necklaces that Elizabeth wore throughout most of the game, aside from that single scene,) would be depressing.[/sp]
elizabeth fanclub no prophets allowed[/QUOTE]
[sp]but they all dissapear after a note is played in the song and after it goes to black we hear another note.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40095914][sp]But I thought DeWitt did remember Anna, but didn't really say anything specific to Elizabeth because he was ashamed.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]He did remember Anna and her dissapearance, but not Robert specifically (hench the garbled voice in the beginning), or the alleyway event. He remembers them differently due to the conflicting memories trying to resolve itself when he passed through to the alternate timeline.[/sp]
Did anyone seem to have 20+ lock picks about 3/4ths of the way through, but no locks to really use them on?
But at the start I was scrambling to even find 5 lock picks and had to back track on myself to reach the nearest safe/lock.
God fuck, I couldn't stop thinking of that Beast of America song while running a 5k today
pls stop tampering with my life bioshock
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