[QUOTE=Jund;28862142]Deeps carry TP does more damage end game but is squishier and isn't great until he gets his items[/QUOTE]
Not really, he might do more constant damage but his range is horrible and all of his abilities will suffer for it
AP TF does more damage period, I just played a game today where I was mid AP TF. The other mid was DPS TF with the same summoner spells (we both even had mag TF). I tore him apart the entire game, and I know I can be vouched for. There's really no reason to build him DPS
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jund;28862207]Would getting SoTD be legit since you can get magic damage errwhere[/QUOTE]
Nah because then you lose out on AP, and you really don't need the ASPD
The bonus is only 100 magic damage every 4 attacks so it's not really worth it, it's better for physical dudes that need armor pen and lots of ASPD
omg dorans so bad they don't even build into anything~
The point of DPS TF is to ult with stun, find someone jungling or some shit, kill them, then haul ass out of there
DPS TF can't fight AP TF early on since he needs expensive items
[QUOTE=Informative Man;28862194]but you have to be close enough to breathe up their asses to do this[/QUOTE]
Yeah but they'll be dead. I guess you could gold card instead if you weren't sure??? By the time your PAC is off CD again, Lich Bane will proc again
tf needs a buff imho
Xin.
Long Sword or Doran's Shield.
Brutalizer t1 boots
Zerker Greaves SoTD
Ghostblade
Tanky Items Banshees or Starks
Start
Q>E>W
Priority R>W>Q>E
harass squishy with QEW
[QUOTE=rilez;28862267]Yeah but they'll be dead. I guess you could gold card instead if you weren't sure??? By the time your PAC is off CD again, Lich Bane will proc again[/QUOTE]
dude bro foshizzle you would have to be facing somebody with relatively low hp as well as having all your ap shit to instakill someone like that
But pick ratio is shit, wild isn't very good and only used as initiation and poking
stop raeping my automerge
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
HOLY SHIT AGAIN YOU ALL SUCK :c
Range doesn't matter for DPS TF since once you stun them they're going to lose like 80-100% hp unless they have cleanse
[QUOTE=Jund;28862186]hidden dislikes
leveling Q
Oh HELL NAW[/QUOTE]
lol wow the guide is on solomid who has Guardsman bob and the guide is nothing like his.
[QUOTE=bionic0n3;28862343]lol wow the guide is on solomid who has Guardsman bob and the guide is nothing like his.[/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=Jund;28862251]The point of DPS TF is to ult with stun, find someone jungling or some shit, kill them, then haul ass out of there
DPS TF can't fight AP TF early on since he needs expensive items[/QUOTE]
Okay, say it's jungle Yi. Your gold card only lasts a few seconds, and it's not like you're going to one shot him as a DPS. The stun wears off, LOL Yi ult and he's gone. Whereas with AP TF you'd be more likely to kill him in one shot if you ulted in with Stacked Deck + Gold + Wildcards, and if he gets away with a little health your Q has ridiculous range and you could still finish him off.
AP TF needs expensive items too (Deathcap is your first item) but he still manages to do more damage in almost every situation. There's not really any reason to build him DPS, and if you honestly want to wait until the very end of the game when you have all your items you would have been better off playing another DPS carry that doesn't suck almost the entire game
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jund;28862311]But pick ratio is shit, wild isn't very good and only used as initiation and poking[/QUOTE]
Wild Cards is amazing
lol and don't talk about range for AP TF since you have to get in range to use your Sheen/LB proc, which is your main source of damage output
Personally I don't find using LB as main damage output very reliable
[QUOTE=Jund;28862360]what[/QUOTE]
Guardsman bob is one of Solomids tournament players and he plays Xin [B]A LOT[/B]. It's a smart build also, let me see if I can find it.
This build is close, but not 100% accurate ill edit with changes he has made.
[url]http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/guardsman-bobs-way-of-xin-zhao-58494[/url]
Yeah but if he survives it he can turn around and kick your ass while you can still kill him if you're DPS
Alright, I'm going to give AP TF a whirl using your tips Rilez. Thanks. Wish me luck.
[QUOTE=bionic0n3;28862416]Guardsman bob is one of Solomids tournament players and he plays Xin [B]A LOT[/B]. It's a smart build also, let me see if I can find it.[/QUOTE]
No I mean
[quote]lol [B]wow the guide is on solomid who has Guardsman bob and the guide is nothing like his[/B].[/quote]
what
fuuuu-
27/5 jax that got 2 triple kills and a penta kill
we got down to nexus to nexus with no nexus turrets left and instead of getting nexus the rest of my team was like HURR LETS KILL EVE
so they did and then jax respawned and killed us all while i was auto attacking the nexus as fast as i could
jax runs to nexus and shen ultis in, we lose
fucking..
[QUOTE=Jund;28862462]No I mean
what[/QUOTE]
someone linked a guide to Xin on solomid.com and and it was the top rated but the build is pretty bad.
I wish they would make Magnificent Twisted Fate slightly more magnificent.
tango TF is pretty fucking sweet though
[QUOTE=Jund;28862394]lol and don't talk about range for AP TF since you have to get in range to use your Sheen/LB proc, [b]which is your main source of damage output[/b]
Personally I don't find using LB as main damage output very reliable[/QUOTE]
no it isnt
[QUOTE=Namaste;28862502]I wish they would make Magnificent Twisted Fate slightly more magnificent.[/QUOTE]
pink leg warmers.
ITT: AP Twisted Fate debates.
Then what is
300 AP Gold does like 265, Red 310
Wild does like 500 ish
LB proc does 400
Wild just isn't reliable enough to hit twice, they'll either run or kill you by then
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
While bursting you proc LB twice, once on ult and once on Wild
[QUOTE=rilez;28861836]My build is dorans ring -> dorans ring -> needlessly large rod -> deathcap -> hourglass (NLR first) and then situational AP items. By the time I get enough gold for the NLR, I'm usually still farming mid. At this point you're not really getting kills, so I really wouldn't take Mejai's first. If you're really desperate, or if you have to blue pill before 1600 gold, you can take Blasting Wand first.
Some good items after Hourglass are Lich Bane, Void Staff, and Abyssal. (99.9% of the time I take Lich Bane after Hourglass)
Skill order would be W at level one, then R>Q>W>E. Take a level of E at some point before 6.
Masteries are just standard 9-0-21. Points in Mpen %, Ghost and Flash. Obviously that means I take ghost and flash as my summoner spells. Twisted Fate is squishy as hell and you need plenty of escape options. Teleport is overkill and you won't really need Ignite, anything else is just a bad choice for him. Runes are really personal preference. You should definitely take Mpen Reds. I take health/level yellows and MR/level blues, and health quintessences. You don't need mana regeneration because your Blue Cards give you everything you need.
I'll update my Leaguecraft guide at some point but there's a quick build.. as for playing him you just need practice. Learn how to aim Wildcards, it's got a huge range, but the cards have pretty small hitboxes. Blue cards are best when you're low on mana. Red Cards when you want to deal maximum damage (this + stacked deck = huge damage output). Gold Cards for ganks/escaping etc. Don't waste your teleport just to clear minion waves. You can use it when you're mid during the laning phase to get back into the lane, but other than that you should save it for ganks
That's all I can think of for now
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
nno[/QUOTE]
You made me want to play AP TF.
I crunched some numbers and DPS TF gets more damage and isn't burst reliant
However he is weak shit before you get BF sword and will have to rely on ks/ulting low enemies to get kills
By that time if you shut him down he's p much fucked, which you can do easy with an AP TF since TF is squishy
I'm looking to buy Janna but my friend says that her Q is impossible to hit with, her ultimate sucks, and that she overall sucks. He also says Katarina is OP.
Oh and AP TF has more survivability because AD is just stack damage and AS and crit all day errday
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Athlias;28862876]I'm looking to buy Janna but my friend says that her Q is impossible to hit with, her ultimate sucks, and that she overall sucks. He also says Katarina is OP.[/QUOTE]
lole
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