[QUOTE=NoShogun;29044879]Turtling is so easy in this game for one class of champs: Tanky DPS.
They can just turtle till they get the farm to do the whole "ignore you till you engage us in which case we will hit you like we're yi and take slightly more damage than your rammus" thing
NO strategy, no fun involved. Just brain dead. yes, it's beatable but it takes 70 times more skill to beat a tanky DPS team than it does to win as one. It's stupid.
Aydin, I try not to yell at you as much as other FPers do but if you don't think Tanky DPS is a problem you are ignorant[/QUOTE]
Tanky DPS is balanced. Yes, it's annoying but it's not overpowered. Stun chaining and stacking CC heavy champs is biggest balance problem in this game. The team with more CC wins, as simple as that.
I was bad.
Also Brand looks fun.
[QUOTE=Namaste;29044875]Having you on a team?
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[QUOTE=Namaste;29044958]Seriously. Put Renekton, Xin Zhao, Sion, Morgana, and Jarvan IV on a team, and let your dog play. You will win.[/QUOTE]
Which goes back to my point. That team will often win because it's got more CC, not because it's 'tankier'.
Annie and Brand would be an awesome lane, I'm sure.
Why do everyone hate playing tank, I feel so alone playing them w/out love :(
No it will win because it's tankier.
Put Twisted Fate, Kennan, Veigar, Gangplank, and Annie on the opposing team. They have more hard CC. They're gonna lose.
[QUOTE=aydin690;29044961]Tanky DPS is balanced. Yes, it's annoying but it's not overpowered. Stun chaining and stacking CC heavy champs is biggest balance problem in this game. The team with more CC wins, as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Deep breaths, Shogun. You don't want to get banned for flaming...
Okay, here we go...
You are insane. Use some logic please. WHY is CC so valuable? Because it lets you stop an enemy from acting so you can kill him before he can kill you. When tanky DPS gets CC'd but they don't die, they just get out and kick your asses and now your stuff is on cooldown, making it worse.
If a tanky DPS team feeds earlygame they can make up for it by just drooling all over their towers till its lategame and the early advantage is gone and then they can just walk in to you and say "fuck the police" and proceed to win every teamfight. Tanky DPS has hard CC which they can actually USE because when they CC you they can actually kill you instead of just tickle you. CC a tanky DPS team and it's more like procrastinating the inevitable.
CC is strong but tanky dps is stronger and far easier, and more often than not they come in the same package.
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Split pushing is not exactly fun but at least it's a semi-viable counter to tanky DPS. And what do we see on the horizon? Nerfs to teemo's split pushing. Teemo, a champ with minimal teamfight presence
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Point is tanky DPS will get CC'd and LIVE and then do damage when those spells are off cooldown. Other champs get CC'd and actually *gasp* suffer the consequences
By the team we hit late game and tanky dps has their items up, the stuns and amounts off cc we do may take off 200-400 health which we then get crushed. Aydin you're wrong.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;29045119]Deep breaths, Shogun. You don't want to get banned for flaming...
Okay, here we go...
You are insane. Use some logic please. WHY is CC so valuable? Because it lets you stop an enemy from acting so you can kill him before he can kill you. When tanky DPS gets CC'd but they don't die, they just get out and kick your asses and now your stuff is on cooldown, making it worse.
If a tanky DPS team feeds earlygame they can make up for it by just drooling all over their towers till its lategame and the early advantage is gone and then they can just walk in to you and say "fuck the police" and proceed to win every teamfight. Tanky DPS has hard CC which they can actually USE because when they CC you they can actually kill you instead of just tickle you. CC a tanky DPS team and it's more like procrastinating the inevitable.
CC is strong but tanky dps is stronger and far easier, and more often than not they come in the same package.
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Split pushing is not exactly fun but at least it's a semi-viable counter to tanky DPS. And what do we see on the horizon? Nerfs to teemo's split pushing. Teemo, a champ with minimal teamfight presence[/QUOTE]
Because that's the only way of making melee champs viable. They can't just hide behind the team tank and dps the shit out of you like ashe. Melee champs must be able to survive random pokes and die to focus fire (which is exactly how it is now). How else would you change them without turning them into glorified glass cannon yi's? And we all know yi isn't really a good champ.
You're beyond frustrating. Done with this discussion. Enjoy being shitty.
Moving along, Brand looks... bland.
[QUOTE=aydin690;29045225]Because that's the only way of making melee champs viable. They can't just hide behind the team tank and dps the shit out of you like ashe. Melee champs must be able to survive random pokes and die to focus fire (which is exactly how it is now). How else would you change them without turning them into glorified glass cannon yi's? And we all know yi isn't really a good champ.[/QUOTE]
Except they don't die to focus fire unless it's all 4 or 5 of your team and while you're all busy trying to take down udyr, ren kennen morg and xin will be tearing you a new asshole. And good luck being able to act as a team and do a 4 or 5 man focus anyway because you'll have half your team CC'd.
You know who's a balanced example of tanky DPS? Olaf. Yes, Olaf. He has CC but it's a skillshot slow. He does good damage and survives well wit his itemization and ult but doesn't jungle GODLIKE or lane GODLIKE (he's a good jungler but he's no Udyr/Shaco). He doesn't have this Gap-closer into hard reliable CC bullshit that most of the problem champs do.
[QUOTE=aydin690;29045225]Because that's the only way of making melee champs viable. They can't just hide behind the team tank and dps the shit out of you like ashe. Melee champs must be able to survive random pokes and die to focus fire (which is exactly how it is now). How else would you change them without turning them into glorified glass cannon yi's? And we all know yi isn't really a good champ.[/QUOTE]
Urgot to be kidding me
Lee Sin is actually a good balanced tanky DPS.
Yi's actually pretty decent last time I checked, too. So is olaf. So is Warwick. So is Shaco. So is Garen. So is Blitz.
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[QUOTE=Namaste;29045468]Lee Sin is actually a good balanced tanky DPS.[/QUOTE]
yeah him too
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Melees that aren't broken are still viable, Aydin.
[QUOTE=ProgramFiles;29045448]Urgot to be kidding me[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's rather Miss Fortunate that we're living throughtout this generation.
Trundle: another balanced tanky DPS.
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And mages are becoming a bit of a problem, too.
I'd have to disagree with the mage comment shogun. They're easily countered and generally fall off late game.
Anyone up for a game or something.
[QUOTE=Namaste;29045580]I'd have to disagree with the mage comment shogun. They're easily countered and generally fall off late game.[/QUOTE]
tanky mages like Sion or Morg or Kennen I mean who are more of CC wagons than mages. Y/N?
Annie, Fidds, even anivia, etc are okay
Morgana can be a pain, but she doesn't dish out the damage. Same with Kennan really, it's his stuns and then team that mop you up. He's easily focused out.
Sion I'd agree with.
Those champs all have CC but the top row can pull of tankiness
[QUOTE=aydin690;29044961]Tanky DPS is balanced. Yes, it's annoying but it's not overpowered. Stun chaining and stacking CC heavy champs is biggest balance problem in this game. The team with more CC wins, as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
no.. nope, im pretty sure tanky dps is op.
and that you're dumb.
"herp can i buy dis game on teh steamsz0rz?!?!?!?!"
"OMG GUYS IVE BEEN PLAYING DIS GAME FOR LEIK A HOLE WEAK SO OBVIOUSLY I KNOW EXACLTY WHUT IM TALKING ABOOT DERP DERP DERP"
Anivia is manageable if you can right click. Dodge her q
I play sion, too. I feel that he's OP but I don't really know how to fix him.
I'd say make his stun scale into levels. Not 2/2/2/2/2. Maybe 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2.
Then take his shield and nerf its AP ratio on how strong the sheild is, not the damage, but the amount of fire it can take.
[QUOTE=Namaste;29045702]I'd say make his stun scale into levels. Not 2/2/2/2/2. Maybe 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2.
Then take his shield and nerf its AP ratio on how strong the sheild is, not the damage, but the amount of fire it can take.[/QUOTE]
I'd say the opposite for the shield.
Considering riot anti-fun formula thats mostly how its going to be nerfed if it happens.
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