Bioshock Infinite VIII: Please, call me Booker. - Games

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40174773]I think it was the bombardment of "dumbs" he received, none of which are justified really.[/QUOTE] Some people take ratings way too seriously. Especially the dumb rating, since it doesn't have a clear cut meaning.

On the topic of one versus Infinite, probably gonna get lynched for this but overall I find it more compelling and interesting Ryan is in a different UNIVERSE compared to Comstock (in terms of character) Sander Cohen is one of the craziest characters in a game and i love him to death Tenenbaum, Steinman, Suchong, Fontaine, Atlas, they all BLED character whenever they spoke. I remember each one of them vividly. In Infinite, the only characters I liked were Booker and Lizzy. I could give less of a shit about Comstock, Slate or Fitzroy. I'm willing to also say the Lutece's were very interesting and fun. Bioshock for me had more raw emotional moments too. Seeing a little sister sobbing over the corpse of her father you just bludgenoned to death? Hearing drug abused psychos run up at you, screaming "I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU" through broken teeth and misshapen jaws? Horryifing. The opening of Bioshock, from the descent into Rapture with that awe-inspiring speech to your first encounter with a splicer to your first kill is as fresh in my memory as it was 6 years ago. Obviously we'll have to wait and see for Infinite, but I don't think it will have the same effect. The storyline's a bit prettier, I think. A man creates a paradise of a city, eventually ruined and corrupted by the very greed he wanted to escape from. Infinite more or less ignores Columbia and the whole civil war thing in exchange for an episode of quantum leap.

[QUOTE=coverop;40174630]Welcome to 2013. Where your opinion means shit and you have to get use to other opinion. Same goes to EA and other companies that wants to scam. I liked this game. You didn't. You shut up.[/QUOTE] dude, you said the game was disappointing becase they removed too many good features, then you list only 4 features and they were totally minimal to the series. Bioshock series features are : Great and unique visuals, Great story, A mindblowing plot twist. I miss hacking too on BS2 and Infinite, but i also agree with wulfe8857, it gets boring later. BS1 actualy had too many flying turrets and there was more than 2 on infinite.

holy shit I just finished the game I even accidentally spoiled the ending for myself, and I still loved how it all fit together in the end.

I think both games strive in certain areas and fail in others. I cannot say I like one 100% more than the other because I like both of them a lot. I'll agree that a lot of the characters you meet in bioshock (like Sander Cohen) are extremely interesting and involving that's not to say infinite is without said characters it's just that bioshock does a better job of it.

Personally, I find Bioshock 1 and Infinite to be different enough to the point where I can't really decide which is "better". Although I do think Infinite was better in the sense that they knew to stop when they ran out of ideas. Also, the combat in Infinite doesn't get fucking tedious in the later parts of the game.

[QUOTE=Winters;40174951]I think both games strive in certain areas and fail in other. I cannot say I like one 100% more than the other because I like both of them a lot. I'll agree that a lot of the characters you meet in bioshock (like Sander Cohen) are extremely interesting and involving that's not to say infinite is without said characters it's just that bioshock does a better job of it.[/QUOTE] how can we not all agree though that it's SS2>Bioshock / Infinite > Bioshock 2 THIS IS THE RIGHT TIER LIST

[QUOTE=Flapjacks;40174833][sp] Slate, or rather the one we encounter in the game, exists in a universe where Booker is reborn as Comstock and builds Columbia. Comstock is the version of Booker that fought with him at Wounded Knee yet, Slate is convinced that Comstock's making up his past military service. So is it that Blake believes Comstock is a completely different person, or did I miss something there?[/sp] Sorry if this was discussed in a previous thread.[/QUOTE] [sp]Yes; Comstock doesn't look at all like Booker (old, bearded, voice, etc.), so when Comstock claims to have led the 7th, Slate called bullshit because he knew that BOOKER led it (I doubt Comstock talked to anyone about the rebirth). I'm assuming that the battle of Peking was made up like Slate said, though (as Booker wasn't mentioned in the Peking exhibit).[/sp] [sp]This actually brings up something to me; you can decide what exhibit you can go to first, right? If so, it's another variable that, in the end, doesn't change anything.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40174959]how can we not all agree though that it's SS2>Bioshock / Infinite > Bioshock 2 THIS IS THE RIGHT TIER LIST[/QUOTE] Didn't you just a moment ago say opinions are subjective. There is no right tier. That's stupid.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40174959]how can we not all agree though that it's SS2>Bioshock / Infinite > Bioshock 2 THIS IS THE RIGHT TIER LIST[/QUOTE] Agreed, SS2 is better than all of them. I wish they'd make a real System Shock 3, but at the same time I don't because they'd probably screw it up.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40174959]how can we not all agree though that it's SS2>Bioshock / Infinite > Bioshock 2 THIS IS THE RIGHT TIER LIST[/QUOTE] Sorry, but I feel the same about SS2, in regards to be it being different enough for me to not compare it. Also Bioshock 2 is underrated. I think it gets much more hate than it deserves.

[QUOTE=Ghost101;40174985]Agreed, SS2 is better than all of them. I wish they'd make a real System Shock 3, but at the same time I don't because they'd probably screw it up.[/QUOTE] And I disagree, I liked BS1 and BSI a lot more than SS2. What does that make me, wrong?

i've had some time to chill out and brush all the hype off all in all, i'd give BSI a 7/10. this is on a legit-tier scale, not a ign scale where 8 = average. it did a lot of things right, but i felt like it could have been so much more. after seeing certain bits of the game, i had this weird feeling that the developers were planning something huge but had to cut that shit. i recall irrational's heath ledger talking about that a few months ago. i was fusturated at the game because it said "hey look all this cool shi- SIIIIIIIIIIIIKE, we're only giving you a bit." there's also a few minor bits in BS1 that i prefer to BSI, like the plasmids felt much better than the vigors, the weapons felt more static and less disposable, and the upgrades you could get at the gatherer's gardens were much more in depth than the fucking macy's catalogue shit you got in BSI. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Winters;40174980]Didn't you just a moment ago say opinions are subjective. There is no right tier. That's stupid.[/QUOTE] it's clearly a joke dude.

I think the real reason Bioshock 1 is better than infinite is because of the adam stuff by the end of the game you are basically "JACK RIPHEART, NORDIC GOD OF THUNDER" Hurling BEES out one hand and crushing skulls in one with the other, all the while gliding about on roller skate feet discharging electricity at any poor son of a bitch who had the bad judgement to tap you on the shoulders. And come on. Bees > crows

[QUOTE=Ghost101;40174985]Agreed, SS2 is better than all of them. I wish they'd make a real System Shock 3, but at the same time I don't because they'd probably screw it up.[/QUOTE] There is absolutely no way they could possibly make another System Shock without pissing people off. It would have be much, much less complex, because we all know that a game like SS2 wouldn't sell too well these days.

[QUOTE=C4rnage;40174937]dude, you said the game was disappointing becase they removed too many good features, then you list only 4 features and they were totally minimal to the series. Bioshock series features are : Great and unique visuals, Great story, A mindblowing plot twist. I miss hacking too on BS2 and Infinite, but i also agree with wulfe8857, it gets boring later. BS1 actualy had too many flying turrets and there was more than 2 on infinite.[/QUOTE] Those 4 points were my first main points. Later I just realized that you can have only 2 guns (Hey ho! New school style). The Bioshock Infinite shows amazing graphic and art-style combining Uniqueness and Old Times (not that I'm saying Bioschock 1 didn't, he did also great but maybe HUD was kinda too big).

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40175004]i've had some time to chill out and brush all the hype off all in all, i'd give BSI a 7/10. this is on a legit-tier scale, not a ign scale where 8 = average. it did a lot of things right, but i felt like it could have been so much more. after seeing certain bits of the game, i had this weird feeling that the developers were planning something huge but had to cut that shit. i recall irrational's heath ledger talking about that a few months ago. i was fusturated at the game because it said "hey look all this cool shi- SIIIIIIIIIIIIKE, we're only giving you a bit." there's also a few minor bits in BS1 that i prefer to BSI, like the plasmids felt much better than the vigors, the weapons felt more static and less disposable, and the upgrades you could get at the gatherer's gardens were much more in depth than the fucking macy's catalogue shit you got in BSI. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] it's clearly a joke dude.[/QUOTE] holy shit this man gets it Infinite is a very good 7/10 I'd put the original as a 9/10 and 2 as a 6/10 2 does not get as much hate as it deserves since it's a corporate whore

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40175009]I think the real reason Bioshock 1 is better than infinite is because of the adam stuff by the end of the game you are basically "JACK RIPHEART, NORDIC GOD OF THUNDER" Hurling BEES out one hand and crushing skulls in one with the other, all the while gliding about on roller skate feet discharging electricity at any poor son of a bitch who had the bad judgement to tap you on the shoulders. And come on. Bees > crows[/QUOTE] Except that they ran out of ideas in the later parts of the game and just decided to send dudes with guns and a shitload of health at you, making the combat way more tedious than it should be. Also, in Infinite you don't need to constantly buy "better" versions of the same plasmids you already have. That was really annoying in BS1.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40174912]On the topic of one versus Infinite, probably gonna get lynched for this but overall I find it more compelling and interesting Ryan is in a different UNIVERSE compared to Comstock (in terms of character) Sander Cohen is one of the craziest characters in a game and i love him to death Tenenbaum, Steinman, Suchong, Fontaine, Atlas, they all BLED character whenever they spoke. I remember each one of them vividly. In Infinite, the only characters I liked were Booker and Lizzy. I could give less of a shit about Comstock, Slate or Fitzroy. I'm willing to also say the Lutece's were very interesting and fun. Bioshock for me had more raw emotional moments too. Seeing a little sister sobbing over the corpse of her father you just bludgenoned to death? Hearing drug abused psychos run up at you, screaming "I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU" through broken teeth and misshapen jaws? Horryifing. The opening of Bioshock, from the descent into Rapture with that awe-inspiring speech to your first encounter with a splicer to your first kill is as fresh in my memory as it was 6 years ago. Obviously we'll have to wait and see for Infinite, but I don't think it will have the same effect. The storyline's a bit prettier, I think. A man creates a paradise of a city, eventually ruined and corrupted by the very greed he wanted to escape from. Infinite more or less ignores Columbia and the whole civil war thing in exchange for an episode of quantum leap.[/QUOTE] I can barely remember a thing from Bioshock. I don't even remember when I played it.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;40175036]Except that they ran out of ideas in the later parts of the game and just decided to send dudes with guns and a shitload of health at you, making the combat way more tedious than it should be. Also, in Infinite you don't need to constantly buy "better" versions of the same plasmids you already have. That was really annoying in BS1.[/QUOTE] That wasn't really annoying. That's upgrading. You know. With upgrades. You didn't have enough money for all of them so you only bought the ones you needed. And they got visually cooler too, like the weapons! Your shotgun by the end of Bioshock is like, a steampunk murder rifle and it's radical as heck. Booker's just looks like a gun. Also.... Infinite... does... literally... the exact same thing. The last half of the game is non stop gunfights against the Vox and a lot of scrappy mechanics. (Need I mention the Siren?) Honestly, I found the last half of Bioshock still enjoyable, Infinite I was like "come on, I have places to be"

[QUOTE=Muntu;40174908]Some people take ratings way too seriously. Especially the dumb rating, since it doesn't have a clear cut meaning.[/QUOTE] Agreed, but there's no denying that the ratings influence and/or stifle conversation. It's a major problem when someone simply has an opinion that goes against the majority and everyone assaults them for it. Then there's the issue where a lot of people seem to think that "dumb" = "disagree," which it definitely doesn't.

Just because hacking was tedious did not mean they had to remove it completely. They should've found a way to improve on it. Also, [sp]How did Booker not see the resemblance between Elizabeth and his mistress?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mingebox;40175066]I can barely remember a thing from Bioshock. I don't even remember when I played it.[/QUOTE] I have this too which is weird. One of my favorite games this gen and I just can't seem to remember anything about it.

possibly my #1 biggest issue with BSI is that it really felt like a shooting gallery compared to BS1. there's barely any optional areas you can go to, and you're forced to kill (or run away from depending on which area you're in) every enemy you run into. the heavy hitters, unlike the big daddies, were just power enemies you HAD to kill. in BS1, if you were a total loser who didn't want ADAM, you could just flat out ignore the big daddies if you were too scared or didn't want to waste ammo. i really liked in BS1 how you had a quest arrow telling you where to go, but at the same time there was a ton of stores and areas with rad enemies and sweet hidden items you could find, like a cache of special ammo for your guns or [I]medkits/mana potions you could carry around instead of frantically swiping off of the floor[/I], not just a "increase stats" potions. my favorite bit from BS1 was at that one point where that one fucker, forgot his name, wanted you to take snapshots of some splicers, and how you had to venture to different plazas and fight somewhat unique dudes and go frank west on their ass. that felt way cooler than any of the side missions i've probably already forgotten about in BSI. all i can remember is "hey, red writing on the wall. let's go to another area to find the book, come back and get money." there were, what, 3 of those? wish they ditched a lot of those pointless lockpick areas and replaced them with puzzles or hidden shit.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40175105]Agreed, but there's no denying that the ratings influence and/or stifle conversation. It's a major problem when someone simply has an opinion that goes against the majority and everyone assaults them for it. Then there's the issue where a lot of people seem to think that "dumb" = "disagree," which it definitely doesn't.[/QUOTE] Reddit has literally the same problem FP has, which makes the hatred all the more ironic. If you go against the opinion of the month, you get downvoted into oblivion, and your post obviously isn't worth reading and you're a tosser. I want to be able to have discussions about Infinite where we can acknowledge design flaws, but I can't, since Infinite is currently more popular than Christianity, and saying you didn't like every part of it is grounds for execution. I will wait a few months until the Hype train slows down and we can start talking about it critically. I think we're all a little high from having such a great experience after being bogged down with so much shit recently we're willing to hold it to such high standards. NOW I STILL THINK IT WAS REALLY FUCKIN' GOOD I just don't think it'll be on my top 10 list.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40175031]holy shit this man gets it Infinite is a very good 7/10 I'd put the original as a 9/10 and 2 as a 6/10 2 does not get as much hate as it deserves since it's a corporate whore[/QUOTE] BS2 was definitely unnecessary, but it gets way too much hate because it's still pretty good.

[sp]how does the final confrontation of slate play out if you choose to kill slate?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Muntu;40174996]And I disagree, I liked BS1 and BSI a lot more than SS2. What does that make me, wrong?[/QUOTE] Nope, you're entitled to your opinion. I think we're just getting into ME3 territory with the ending discussion, it's not *that* deep; everyone is just repeating the same stuff over and over now. I would prefer to see people actually talk about the gameplay and other aspects of the game. That's part of what makes me think it's not this 10/10 a lot of people are saying, all I ever see is talk about the ending or Elizabeth or Booker, nobody cares about the rest of the game.

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40175143]Reddit has literally the same problem FP has, which makes the hatred all the more ironic. If you go against the opinion of the month, you get downvoted into oblivion, and your post obviously isn't worth reading and you're a tosser. I want to be able to have discussions about Infinite where we can acknowledge design flaws, but I can't, since Infinite is currently more popular than Christianity, and saying you didn't like every part of it is grounds for execution. I will wait a few months until the Hype train slows down and we can start talking about it critically. I think we're all a little high from having such a great experience after being bogged down with so much shit recently we're willing to hold it to such high standards. NOW I STILL THINK IT WAS REALLY FUCKIN' GOOD I just don't think it'll be on my top 10 list.[/QUOTE] BSI really reminds me of the Darkness 2. relatively short and sweet, with a nice story that's perfect for a single playthrough. i can't really see myself playing through BSI after i've beaten 1999 mode, just because there's really nothing new to experience because there's virtually no upgrade paths or secrets worth reexploring save for the stat-increase cola bottles

[QUOTE=Sardonus;40175143]Reddit has literally the same problem FP has, which makes the hatred all the more ironic. If you go against the opinion of the month, you get downvoted into oblivion, and your post obviously isn't worth reading and you're a tosser. I want to be able to have discussions about Infinite where we can acknowledge design flaws, but I can't, since Infinite is currently more popular than Christianity, and saying you didn't like every part of it is grounds for execution. I will wait a few months until the Hype train slows down and we can start talking about it critically. I think we're all a little high from having such a great experience after being bogged down with so much shit recently we're willing to hold it to such high standards. NOW I STILL THINK IT WAS REALLY FUCKIN' GOOD I just don't think it'll be on my top 10 list.[/QUOTE] I'm not disagreeing with you because of hype. I've played the game twice, and it has given me plenty of time to analyze it critically. I just really disagree with all the stuff you're saying about Bioshock 1. If anything, you seem to be the one who is incapable of acknowledging BS1's flaws.