Bioshock Infinite VIII: Please, call me Booker.

[Sardonus]

[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;40183054]Yesterday my brother told me he'd read that you can [sp]Hear Songbird die in bioshock 1, is this true?[/sp][/QUOTE]

while more evidence leads to no, it's most likely a sound re-used for Infinite.

However, it's fun to pretend.

[Scot]

[QUOTE=meppers;40183065]When's the dlc coming out[/QUOTE]

I think the first two are out this year with the last one coming out next year.

[theMatherson]

For the people saying this game is a generic FPS, I genuinely want to know your opinions on modern military shooter campaigns (CoD, BF, MoH) if you think, of all games, Infinite is what a generic FPS is. It's a shooter with a some neat features ie. Skyrails, vigors, and a few unique enemies. What else do you want it to be? Don't single out one game just because you're tired of the genre.

[Sardonus]

I think Infinite is a clever game with a lot of ideas that borrows from realistic shooters like 2 guns and shields and stuff

it's not generic at all thogh

[Scot]

From the thanks section of the credits

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cGnHq6V.jpg[/IMG]

[fritzel]

So, someone hired Booker from future to do the mission and Booker is the younger self of the one who hired him ?

Am I deducing right ? I am at the aerodrome level.

[Magikoopa24]

[QUOTE=fritzel;40183243]So, someone hired Booker from future to do the mission and Booker is the younger self of the one who hired him ?

Am I deducing right ? I am at the aerodrome level.[/QUOTE]

Wait until the end of the game, it'll be explained there (at least more concisely.)

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40182998]the game specifically shows you this in the ending. i don't think you get the plot as much as you thought you did.
[sp]the whole thing was an experiment, because of how badly the comstock universe turned out, man lutece wanted to set things right. girl lutece was under the impression that it was unfixable but went along anyway because her brother was convinced they could set things right. they brought booker into the comstock universe. you literally have it happen to you in the game in the ending. and they're not gods exactly, they can just create tears. it doesn't grand them supreme control of anything, just the ability to go anywhere that exists as a possibility. they want to set everything right, prevent the whole thing from happening presumably because of how many lives are lost and people are hurt, including elizabeth, because it's their fault in the first place for creating the technology. they feel responsible. they opened up a tear and brought booker there to try and set things right.

how did you not get this? it's explicitly stated a shitload of times.[/sp][/QUOTE]

They are gods though. Technically, they can have infinite tries at setting things the way they want.

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=Killuah;40183446]They are gods though. Technically, they can have infinite tries at setting things the way they want.[/QUOTE]

they're just people who learned how [sp]to fuck with the universe. that still doesn't make them gods.[/sp]

[RobiePAX]

Ok... I'm a little confused now:

[sp]Killing Comstock is useless because his atrocities are already committed.
Killing him before he does something is useless because you are changing only one timeline, not all of them.
Letting Booker live(assuming after all that experience he won't become a Comstock) is useless because only his timeline will be spared of his future "deeds".

Then why killing him before he accepts or rejects baptism affects all dimensions, not only the one where he is from. How is it different than killing other dimension Booker, surely in one of other timelines he also rejected the baptism.[/sp]

[The Gubefather]

[QUOTE=fritzel;40183243]Spoilers[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the spoilers.

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40183450]they're just people who learned how [sp]to fuck with the universe. that still doesn't make them gods.[/sp][/QUOTE]

I think [sp]"people who learned how to fuck with the universe"[/sp] is the closest that any being that actually exists can come to being a god.
In the end it doesn't really matter if you change the universe by snapping your fingers or [sp]creating a googol universes or timelines or whatever[/sp]

[editline]6th April 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=RobiePAX;40183507]Ok... I'm a little confused now:

[sp]Killing Comstock is useless because his atrocities are already committed.
Killing him before he does something is useless because you are changing only one timeline, not all of them.
Letting Booker live(assuming after all that experience he won't become a Comstock) is useless because only his timeline will be spared of his future "deeds".

Then why killing him before he accepts or rejects baptism affects all dimensions, not only the one where he is from. How is it different that killing other dimension Booker, surely in one of other timelines he also rejected the baptism.[/sp][/QUOTE]

That's the point. [sp] The whole story is pointless when you stay consequent with the basic timeline premises. Also it makes Anna a cruel and not very smart bitch. [/sp]

[guicool]

[QUOTE=RobiePAX;40183507]Ok... I'm a little confused now:

[sp]Killing Comstock is useless because his atrocities are already committed.
Killing him before he does something is useless because you are changing only one timeline, not all of them.
Letting Booker live(assuming after all that experience he won't become a Comstock) is useless because only his timeline will be spared of his future "deeds".

Then why killing him before he accepts or rejects baptism affects all dimensions, not only the one where he is from. How is it different than killing other dimension Booker, surely in one of other timelines he also rejected the baptism.[/sp][/QUOTE]

[sp]If he rejects, he doesn't become Comstock, the point was killing him after the accepts the baptism.[/sp]

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=RobiePAX;40183507]Ok... I'm a little confused now:

[sp]Killing Comstock is useless because his atrocities are already committed.
Killing him before he does something is useless because you are changing only one timeline, not all of them.
Letting Booker live(assuming after all that experience he won't become a Comstock) is useless because only his timeline will be spared of his future "deeds".

Then why killing him before he accepts or rejects baptism affects all dimensions, not only the one where he is from. How is it different than killing other dimension Booker, surely in one of other timelines he also rejected the baptism.[/sp][/QUOTE]

things branch off. if you stop a branch half way, it can just start again. you have to cut it off before the branch. you stop it before the branch point, you remove the possibilities.

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;40183564][sp]If he rejects, he doesn't become Comstock, the point was killing him after the accepts the baptism.[/sp][/QUOTE]

[sp]assuming that there are endless universes means "if we can think of it, it exists".
There's bound to be a universe where everything plays exactly as we played the game(thinking of it, every players playthrough is an own universe too) and Anna has her hands on his throat and doesn't kill him for some reason. A fly flying in her eye. Whatever.

You can't draw a moral conclusion from the prevention of an atrocity when you're dealing with endless universes where everything happens and does not happen at the same time(in the greater overview of all universes). And she should've known that.[/sp]

[Kirbyfactor]

I wonder [sp]Is there not a timeline where Booker pushed Elizabeth off him when she drowned him?[/sp]

[RobiePAX]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40183607]things branch off. if you stop a branch half way, it can just start again. you have to cut it off before the branch. you stop it before the branch point, you remove the possibilities.[/QUOTE]

[sp]That's a religious crap to believe that the moment Booker is drowned(baptized) he becomes a completely new man(Comstock), as if only at THAT moment new universes are being created and linked together...[/sp]

[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;40183676]I wonder [sp]Is there not a timeline where Booker pushed Elizabeth off him when she drowned him?[/sp][/QUOTE]

[sp]Could be... There might be a universe where he banged her, and only later found out she's his daughter. All possibilities are possible in "millions of alternative worlds". Though pushing away 5+ people when they are drowning you is a bit hard :P[/sp]

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40183607]things branch off. if you stop a branch half way, it can just start again. you have to cut it off before the branch. you stop it before the branch point, you remove the possibilities.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://i.imgur.com/mkD66ve.png[/url]

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=RobiePAX;40183695][sp]That's a religious crap to believe that the moment Booker is drowned(baptized) he becomes a completely new man(Comstock), as if only at THAT moment new universes are being created and linked together...[/sp]
[/QUOTE]
[sp]religious crap? are you kidding me? the game is hugely anti religion. it's not a religious thing. the booker that was WILLING to undergo the baptism was WILLING to believe, and WANTED to change. His willingness to accept the baptism is what matters. He accepts it because he wants to, and he becomes a new man because he want to. the baptism is just symbolic. the booker that turns it down DOESN'T want to be a new man. he thinks he deserves to live in his own guilt. he thinks he's a bad man that can't change. it has nothing to do with any real religious shit at all. it just comes down to the variables in the bookers. the possibilities of his mental state.[/sp]

[ElectronicG19]

I don't think the ending is sad because [sp] Booker dies, I think it's really sad because Elizabeth is killing herself. She'll never be Elizabeth who can open tears, just Anna who lives in New York. [/sp]

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=Killuah;40183745][URL]http://i.imgur.com/mkD66ve.png[/URL][/QUOTE]

[sp]that requires another point in his life that could lead to his decision to become comstock, which a broken booker does not allow. he's already made the decision on who he wants to be. there isn't going to be another comstock branch.[/sp]

you can discuss possibility all day, but at the end of the day, this is what the game's story implies. this is the story it's telling. there's no point in arguing about the possibility of other branches because a) it can't happen in real life and b) isn't going to happen in the game universe.

[Killuah]

My point of arguing is that exploring everyones thoughts about it is fun. After all that's probably what Levine and the game want us to do.

[Scot]

This nigguh best not be makin a move on my lady

[t]http://i.imgur.com/cxum6XW.jpg[/t]

[swebonny]

I've read that [sp]Elizabeth's brooch changes after passing through the different lighthouses, to imply that after entering the first light tower you're not longer with the initial Elizabeth.[/sp]. True?

[Winters]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;40183974]I've read that [sp]Elizabeth's brooch changes after passing through the different lighthouses, to imply that after entering the first light tower you're not longer with the initial Elizabeth.[/sp]. True?[/QUOTE]

Well [sp]None of the Elizabeths are wearing a broach at the drowning so it is possible[/sp]

[CaptainJL]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;40183974]I've read that [sp]Elizabeth's brooch changes after passing through the different lighthouses, to imply that after entering the first light tower you're not longer with the initial Elizabeth.[/sp]. True?[/QUOTE]
[sp]I only saw her brooch change (disappear) when we got to the drowning scene. Booker even comments that the Elizabeth who drowns him isn't the same one, which is something I missed the first time.[/sp]

[King]

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;40183820]I don't think the ending is sad because [sp] Booker dies, I think it's really sad because Elizabeth is killing herself. She'll never be Elizabeth who can open tears, just Anna who lives in New York. [/sp][/QUOTE]

[sp]But Anna wouldn't exist because shes Bookers daughter?[/sp]

[guicool]

Here's something fun:

On the China Broom Shotgun and the Vox Heater, there's a engraving saying 'Memento Mori', as seen below.

[t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7211550/Images/Gaems/BioShockInfinite%202013-04-04%2013-03-34-14.png[/t]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_mori]Translation[/url]: [sp]remember that you will die[/sp]

[TonyJZX]

just out of interest...there are number roundtable discussions on youtube from a groups of apparently intelligent guys which runs for 15-25-45 mins...

who does that for any game? at all? so close to the release date?

face it... this game is has somehow hooked into the gaming 'consciousness' and really... no one cares if it has crap fps mechanics...

[guicool]

[QUOTE=Sommoch;40184058][sp]But Anna wouldn't exist because shes Bookers daughter?[/sp][/QUOTE]

[sp]Elizabeth is Anna that was taken to another universe. Anna would still exist, just not as Elizabeth.[/sp]