Dota 2 General Chat XXIII - You can't go wrong with 6 boots - Games

[QUOTE=Jrock455;40283969]He actually has 62% magic resist because that includes the base magic resistance[/QUOTE] add Pipe and he's immune to all magic

core items on antimage: phase boots, diffusal blade, hood of defiance, and blink dagger

Randomed OD(happens like every other game but fuck it he's my fav carry) Enemy team picks Sniper, Riki, Drow One shot ults galore

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40284272] Highly irregular build that can be annihilated by good nukers (fucking Bounty Hunter), but makes you near immortal mid-game against practically anyone else. [/QUOTE] Irregular builds best builds, Eul's on Axe really made me go WTF at first but now I'm never building him without it. Sometimes you get those oddities that shouldn't work but in reality turn out to be fucking strong. [QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40285855]In a way it makes him a really hard freaking carry, by not just gaining damage himself, but also by crippling the enemy's mana pools and int here's damage as well. He's absolutely horrifying in a very indirect way. His ult really feels not that strong compared to other non-ult silences, but both that and all his other skills are very powerful in indirect ways. But eventually he'll become a monster that you'll have no way to confront, since you have no mana.[/QUOTE] Silencer is imo one of the stronger heroes in the game. His spells synergise with eachother extremely well, they're incredibly strong early-midgame and if you do it well he scales exceptionally well into lategame due to the Glaives being Pure damage - and a fucking LOT of it too. He's very teamwork-reliant though, unless you build him like I do and even then it's only lategame that he'll reach that (Force Staff, Orchid, Atos, Heart. Fuck you I've got 3500hp and deal 250 Pure bonus damage).

I fucking love to play Silencer. Mostly as a support though. Nothing beats supporting a lane mate by spamming lvl1 Pure Damage at enemy's face, especially if you have the edge over the harassing, say a solo-laner against you or two melee's. I always try to keep up with 1 int stolen per 1 minute of the match. But it doesn't always work, and this one time enemy silencer just chose to steal a whopping 80 intellect by 20 minutes in, or so. Fuck him, I want to do that!

You know what's better than getting a triple kill with ODs ult? Getting a rampage with refresher. HUEHUEHEUHUHUEHUE

I wonder, how viable would be a DK built - Power Treads->AC->Shivas? Gives a heckload of armor and AS slow. Although maybe just 3 platemails would be better instead of the Shivas? On unrelated notes, it's really sad how little voice lines the heroes that have been added long time ago have. Sven, DK, Antimage -they have little to none rival lines. Ok, Invoker's lack of those is totally understandable, but other guys?

[QUOTE=maxumym;40287380]I wonder, how viable would be a DK built - Power Treads->AC->Shivas? Gives a heckload of armor and AS slow. Although maybe just 3 platemails would be better instead of the Shivas? On unrelated notes, it's really sad how little voice lines the heroes that have been added long time ago have. Sven, DK, Antimage -they have little to none rival lines. Ok, Invoker's lack of those is totally understandable, but other guys?[/QUOTE] Since DK already gets a lot of armor, I would rather go for HP then into armor items. Nothing wrong with shivas nor AC, both of them are great on DK, just that you would want to have more HP to be able to get more EHP in the end. Depending on what you are up against, a Halberd could work nice.

God damn it, halfway through a game as Disruptor a storm starts up and my net cuts out, I missed 2 static storms due to lag spikes from the actual storm ruining my connection. Dis raptor, I swear to god.

Feeling under the weather?

[QUOTE=maxumym;40287380]I wonder, how viable would be a DK built - Power Treads->AC->Shivas? Gives a heckload of armor and AS slow. Although maybe just 3 platemails would be better instead of the Shivas? On unrelated notes, it's really sad how little voice lines the heroes that have been added long time ago have. Sven, DK, Antimage -they have little to none rival lines. Ok, Invoker's lack of those is totally understandable, but other guys?[/QUOTE] it really depends.. and Lifestealer with Desolator would eat through your bones like butter, whereas for example the evasion from Heaven's Halbred might go a longer way in standing in team fights. it depends, a lot. last time I played DK, I built very basic items, but at start I was forced to build a Soul Ring and max out my Dragon's Breath to work with Visage as a killer suicide-lane duo. After that I just went Treads, Helm of Domi, Drum, really basic and boring stuff, I wasn't even the main carry who carried the match so.. I'm not a big fan of DK to start with.

[QUOTE=maxumym;40287380]I wonder, how viable would be a DK built - Power Treads->AC->Shivas? Gives a heckload of armor and AS slow. Although maybe just 3 platemails would be better instead of the Shivas? On unrelated notes, it's really sad how little voice lines the heroes that have been added long time ago have. Sven, DK, Antimage -they have little to none rival lines. Ok, Invoker's lack of those is totally understandable, but other guys?[/QUOTE] armor has diminishing returns, i'd say it's probably not worth buying armor items past 30 [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] i'm wrong!

[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40287497]armor has diminishing returns, i'd say it's probably not worth buying armor items past 30[/QUOTE] disregard what this guy says stack platemails

no stack movement speed s&y, euls, mask of madness be the fastest knight in dota [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] and three phase boots, two for your feet and one for your tail

[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40287532]no stack movement speed s&y, euls, mask of madness be the fastest knight in dota[/QUOTE] Razor, Keeper of the Light, Death Prophet, Dragon Knight(Or bristleback) and Dark Seer team racecar

[QUOTE=ThatSprite;40287508]disregard what this guy says stack platemails[/QUOTE] Ah, I remember these calculations me and you made. Judging by this graph, just 4 platemails and Dragon Blood lvl4 equals what, 70% phys. damage reduction? [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40287497]armor has diminishing returns, i'd say it's probably not worth buying armor items past 30 [img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/thumb/4/4c/Armor2dm.svg/512px-Armor2dm.svg.png[/img][/QUOTE] I consulted this page:[url]http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/damagearmor[/url] [quote]It is generally conceived that armor gets less and less effective the more you have (since the extra damage reduction gets less and less). That a Plate Mail gives you less extra protection from attacks if you already have 20 armor than if you would have only 5. This is false. If one Plate Mail makes the hero survive 3 extra attacks, then 4 Plate Mails will make the hero survive a total of 12 extra attacks before dying. Each Plate Mail gives the same amount of extra protection, which is in this case 3 more attacks before dying.[/quote] [quote]Every armor point adds an additional 6% of your maximum HP to your EHP.[/quote] Disregard damage and Hp, stack armor.

[QUOTE=Jetamo;40286116]Learn how to use Blink Dagger on Meepo. Start the rest of them poofing, blink into someone with the other one, instant nook.[/QUOTE] Meepo is my one favourite hero and honestly I've never found Blink Dagger worth the gold. That's 2150 gold you could have saved for a Heart of Tarrasque, an Armlet of Mordiggian or an Ethereal Blade, all of that just for initiating teamfights or ambushing lone heroes. I don't think Meepo is even supposed to be an initiator in the first place. Of course I haven't played many matches yet and maybe I got matched against bad players, but I've yet to see a situation where Blink Dagger would help in any way. I usually prefer investing in raw stats, seems to make much more of a difference to me. [editline]a[/editline] Also I'd rather build an Ethereal Blade than an Assault Cuirass. It's cheaper, it gives you and all your clones +5.6 armor, +40 damage and +40 attack speed, some extra strength and intelligence, and it has a nifty active that can let you greatly amplify your Poof damage on one specific target, or save one of your own clones from death. Auras on Meepo are overrated anyway.

[QUOTE=maxumym;40287380]I wonder, how viable would be a DK built - Power Treads->AC->Shivas? Gives a heckload of armor and AS slow.[/QUOTE] Core against Enchantress.

[QUOTE=maxumym;40287572]Ah, I remember these calculations me and you made. Judging by this graph, just 4 platemails and Dragon Blood lvl4 equals what, 70% phys. damage reduction? [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] I consulted this page:[url]http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/damagearmor[/url] Disregard damage and Hp, stack armor.[/QUOTE] tested this ingame and by golly you're right

But enemies also have magical damage Boots -> Platemail -> Platemail -> Hood -> (Pipe) -> Tarrasque -> Shivas -> AC -> Tarrasque Enjoy being tanky as all hell but dealing no real damage, and enjoy farming with low damage Alternatively, Boots -> Morbid Mask -> Skadi -> MoM -> Skadi -> Skadi -> Skadi Enjoy being tanky as all hell and dealing respectable damage, plus your inventory screen looks rad as heck And before anyone says anything, Lifesteal and Orb of Venom/Skadi stack with each other, melee or ranged

I usually go Treads -> Hood -> Armlet -> Basher and from there I build attack speed/armor or more hp/damage.

If Skadi stacks with Dragon Knight's slow, damn; that's like a complete Upheaval on every autoattack.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8iINGpd.png[/IMG] He wasn't kidding either. He had 600+ games.

[QUOTE=Liquidrocks;40287925]If Skadi stacks with Dragon Knight's slow, damn; that's like a complete Upheaval on every autoattack.[/QUOTE] It does. Doesn't apply to the splash targets, but main one goes to crawl.

I love pubseekers who still try the rupture+forcestaff combo. One kept doing it although we kept telling him it doesent work (even while he was building it and he was mocking us can calling us shit). He would also put rage on auto attack carries on the other team.

[QUOTE=l l;40285909]I've seen some Troll Warlord's run out of mana for their abilities due to his steal.[/QUOTE] That's happened to me before :v: [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40287230]Irregular builds best builds, Eul's on Axe really made me go WTF at first but now I'm never building him without it. Sometimes you get those oddities that shouldn't work but in reality turn out to be fucking strong. Silencer is imo one of the stronger heroes in the game. His spells synergise with eachother extremely well, they're incredibly strong early-midgame and if you do it well he scales exceptionally well into lategame due to the Glaives being Pure damage - and a fucking LOT of it too. He's very teamwork-reliant though, unless you build him like I do and even then it's only lategame that he'll reach that (Force Staff, Orchid, Atos, Heart. Fuck you I've got 3500hp and deal 250 Pure bonus damage).[/QUOTE] I don't like Heart on him, just get more Int or a Butterfly for tankiness AND attack speed. He eventually does the single highest amount of damage in the game and it's truly horrifying. His skills are perfectly synergized with each other, it's insane how powerful he is when he gets his combo off. I realized why Silencer's ult is so powerful recently; it's not powerful because it's a good silence (it's really not), it just guarantees that his full combo goes off and his raping is uncontested while the duration is active.

Speaking of Butterfly, does anyone else like it as non-agility heroes? That thing grants +60 attack speed, +30 damage (additional +30 if agility) and 30% evasion and about 4 armor. Pretty fun item for someone like Furion. Haven't bought on Axe but it seems like a solid item choice if he doesn't need to go full tank.

[QUOTE=Quinnjdq;40287982][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8iINGpd.png[/IMG] He wasn't kidding either. He had 600+ games.[/QUOTE] This makes me sad

Its okay, the ghost of Outworld got his revenge. I just had the most frustraiting lane of my life against a OD mid, he had 38 last hits, 8 denies by 5 minutes. I had 3 of both.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40288027] I don't like Heart on him, just get more Int or a Butterfly for tankiness AND attack speed. He eventually does the single highest amount of damage in the game and it's truly horrifying. His skills are perfectly synergized with each other, it's insane how powerful he is when he gets his combo off. I realized why Silencer's ult is so powerful recently; it's not powerful because it's a good silence (it's really not), it just guarantees that his full combo goes off and his raping is uncontested while the duration is active.[/QUOTE] I like getting a Heart because it means you're almost impossible to kill, Butterfly 'only' offers protection against regular attacks but great improves his attack speed. Tradeoff attack/defense I suppose. Global Silence is insane not just because it guarantees his combo, but also because it goes through Magic Immunity (unless you pop BKB AFTER he's used it).