[QUOTE=Shrapnel :3;23393786]As it stands the rogue trees seem very bloated. Assassination has 3 talents I wouldn't like for PvP, and even then one of them is pretty good in certain combos. As for combat you could pretty much fill the entire tree and be happy given the points. I don't see the benefit of these smaller trees, other than simplicity for new-comers. They only cause problems for more interested players (lack of hybrid specs etc.). In addition to this many skills which are considered vital are being removed e.g Scatter Shot.
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No more hybrids?[/QUOTE]
nope hybrids are a thing of the past well for now adleast
So a level 85 only has 41 points to spend now?
Thats a bit of a dissapointment :'(
I liked the current system
actually i tell a lie at 31 ponts you can then spend the rest that you get as you please
but this system makes you think alot more
[QUOTE=jacc0s;23387276]Stop crying everyone, it's all for the good, and it will be better else they wouldn't change it[/QUOTE]
lol did you not see what they tried to do with real id?
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;23395258]lol did you not see what they tried to do with real id?[/QUOTE]
I doubt the lead WoW devs were the ones in charge of that crap.
[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;23394717]nope hybrids are a thing of the past well for now adleast[/QUOTE]
I know... I was saying that's a reason why it's being dumbed down.
It's a real shame, there have been many times hybrid specs have arisen as great specs, and usually they're a breath of fresh air due to you gaining two different abilities you'd normally not have.
Why Blizzard Why! :Dawkins102:
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;23395258]lol did you not see what they tried to do with real id?[/QUOTE]
As far as I've heard it was just Activision.
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;23395258]lol did you not see what they tried to do with real id?[/QUOTE]
I didn't, please tell me.
[QUOTE=Elexar;23401113]I didn't, please tell me.[/QUOTE]
They were going to make it so that it was compulsory that when you post on the forums each post would be marked with you real life name. This caused much whining (understandably) and they backed out of that change.
Oh I thought they were still going through with that.
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Good to hear, even though I never visit those forums.
I always liked the real ID thing, not on the forums though. I am glad it is optional in game so you can get your real life friends on it and tell what game they are on so you can go play with them or just add your world of warcraft friends only.
[QUOTE=Waffle99;23405536]I always liked the real ID thing, not on the forums though. I am glad it is optional in game so you can get your real life friends on it and tell what game they are on so you can go play with them or just add your world of warcraft friends only.[/QUOTE]
Now if they'd only allow you to turn off the 'friends of friends' thing there wouldn't be any problems.
[QUOTE=JerryK;23367305]what is Lunar/Solar energy?[/QUOTE]
Right now it procs randomly while casting. Solar eclipse buffs nature spells and Lunar eclipse buffs arcane spells.
Honestly though, I'm in the beta and the new talent system isn't nearly as bad as some of you guys are making it out to be.
Is it just me, or have they ruined blood spec Dks?
I would like the specs a lot more if they didn't make you combine things like pvp and pve talents, like you have to get most of the talents in one tree to even get to 31 and some have stuff that combines specs. Mainly the warlock one. I play destro and you never combine shadow and fire unless its dots.
Also, im sure they will edit these a lot more before they release them.
[QUOTE=Flon22;23423564]Is it just me, or have they ruined blood spec Dks?[/QUOTE]
It's a tanking spec now, how do you mean they have ruined it?
If for dps yes.
It's major bullshit, this is the most stupid change they've ever done/going to do IMO.
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The idea is to open up choices, which is exactly what they're removing.
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[QUOTE=Flon22;23423564]Is it just me, or have they ruined blood spec Dks?[/QUOTE]
Ruined, no. But they've really reduced the fun of all talent specs, they're dumbing it down so that they can get a wider player-base(more kids).
[QUOTE=jiggu;23432202]It's major bullshit, this is the most stupid change they've ever done/going to do IMO.
[editline]12:28AM[/editline]
The idea is to open up choices, which is exactly what they're removing.
[editline]12:29AM[/editline]
Ruined, no. But they've really reduced the fun of all talent specs, they're dumbing it down so that they can get a wider player-base(more kids).[/QUOTE]
have you tried the new specs or are you just saying its shit because youve read it somewhere on a forum
[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;23443870]have you tried the new specs or are you just saying its shit because youve read it somewhere on a forum[/QUOTE]
When I heard the idea, I was like, "Wow, they're taking out all the stupid shit from my trees! This is gonna be great!"
Then I looked at the trees and fooled around with them for about two hours.
Now I think they're shit. Hoping to god this isn't the final version.
[QUOTE=Street_Wolf;23382876]As a very casual, on-off player of WoW, I don't think this is too terribly bad. The one thing that I have a HUGE problem with though is not being allowed to invest in other trees until you have 31 points in one of your trees. To me, that seems like they're forcing most characters into cookie cutter builds.[/QUOTE]
This is the major flaw, and severely screws up any chance of multi-spec hybrid builds while levelling..
[QUOTE=JordyV;23487829]This is the major flaw, and severely screws up any chance of multi-spec hybrid builds while levelling..[/QUOTE]
but you really shouldnt need hybrid builds for leveling
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[QUOTE=Applecrap;23466786]When I heard the idea, I was like, "Wow, they're taking out all the stupid shit from my trees! This is gonna be great!"
Then I looked at the trees and fooled around with them for about two hours.
Now I think they're shit. Hoping to god this isn't the final version.[/QUOTE]
this is the beta so ofc its not the final version but they have removed all the shit and in my eyes improved all of the classes
So, what is up with thise talents trees? Current talent trees are going to be replaced with something similiar to thise ?
[QUOTE=KarvaBopi;23491955]So, what is up with thise talents trees? Current talent trees are going to be replaced with something similiar to thise ?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=Shrapnel :3;23393786] In addition to this many skills which are considered vital are being removed e.g Scatter Shot.
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Scattershot is baseline, as are many other talents.
A lot of the 5 point filler talents are going to be automatically given to your spec as well as some of the skills that used to be at 41 points so people can feel the spec as soon as they hit level 10 which sounds amazing. The problem is that might be condensing down too much and restricting people to one spec when some people like to make hybrid specs.
[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;23491721]but you really shouldnt need hybrid builds for leveling
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this is the beta so ofc its not the final version but they have removed all the shit and in my eyes improved all of the classes[/QUOTE]
I dont have a beta key, so I cant take a look for myself and I havent seen the beta class trees either.
Hybrid builds for levelling were quiet handy. There was a good hybrid build based on a mix of Mut, Combat and Subltey for Rogues which was well known in the community.
Its a bit short sighted to force players into a single tree. I can understand what they are trying to achieve but I dont think it will make playing easier.
prot paladin is broken. where the FUCK is spiritual attunement.
[QUOTE=frankie penis;23595568]prot paladin is broken. where the FUCK is spiritual attunement.[/QUOTE]
They removed it. They're gonna give you the ret talent that gives you mana on Judgements.
Also, they were gonna give versatily, but talent trees are very cookie cutter at the moment.
I'll post the specs that you will currently use if they go in as they're in now, on both characters I have an 80 with.
See how you have no option except 1 or 2 things which doesn't have that much PVE use anyway:
Blood DK: [url]http://www.wowtal.com/#k=YfWjhx81.9q4.deathknight[/url]
Frost DK: [url]http://www.wowtal.com/#k=ee_14sKh.9q4.deathknight[/url] (having to put Hungering Cold for Howling Blast?)
Unholy DK: [url]http://www.wowtal.com/#k=75FZdIwK.9q4.deathknight[/url]
See how you literally have no choice by DPS talents? Only small amount of choice is in the tanking tree.
Mages:
Arcane (PVE, Arcane PVP is p. much killed anyway): [url]http://www.wowtal.com/#k=W3o-EoKuP.9q4.mage[/url] You have to take Slow for barrage. The blink talent can be quite good (I'm aware rank 2 is worse atm, but that's obviously switched by accident) I guess, since arcane mages were horrible while having to move.
Fire: [url]http://www.wowtal.com/#k=ZYWYV9Kz.9q4.mage[/url] Again, you have to take Dragon's Breath which is bad for PVE. :/
Frost (PVP): [url]http://www.wowtal.com/#k=Vtzcsu2J.9q4.mage[/url]
You take one Piercing Chill because you'll never really have 3 together in 3v3 anyway. I suppose Frost is fine, but yet again, very little choice.
love them
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