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[QUOTE=Nexosz;23749603]Heh. It's funny how CoD series instantly became most horrible games series ever. Nobody remembers first russian mission in CoD? Fake Flaks in CoD2? Fresh idea of MW1? He's rich. In business terms, he's a genius. Stop crying over it. MW2? Bestseller. First DLC? Bestseller on steam. Second DLC? Bestseller on steam. How can a retard do that?[/QUOTE] And where did we say the cod series was ruined? .. Yeah oops we didn't! Go away and troll somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;23750111]And where did we say the cod series was ruined? .. Yeah oops we didn't! Go away and troll somewhere else.[/QUOTE] [quote]Oh look it's our favourite cod fanboy. [/quote] Maybe it's not the best example, but I can't be arsed to find better ones. "Cod fanboy" is an insult here, on fp, since they released MW2. Oh, and guys, can you stop with all these dumb, childish responses "go troll somewhere else", "bitch please", and everything else? I really want to discuss this topic on a good, mature level.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750100]You are not Activisions target audience. As K1ngo64 said or, in better version Right now, MW2 is best game to top these new mountains. Thats why I call Bobby "genius". Wii didn't work that well, but it featured a lot of things for casuals and youngies. The problem with laggy games is actually pretty annoying, but most of the times ping is acceptable. Actually, I encountered bad hosts 5, 6 times. Host migration always did its job, and for the rest of the game I had 3, 4 bars. Huge problem with hackers, I fully agree. Sadly, it's VAC to blame. IT permanently bans, but it takes weeks to ban that goddamn hacker. PB, even if it KICKED innocent players, was better for MW2. Right now, Activision used another amazing tactic. They made "hardcore" players like you, like me very mad about Activision and Infinity ward. Now they took Treyarch and promised Zombie mode and dedis. They are going to get your money again, even if you hated Activision/IW/MW2. And this is goddamn clever.[/QUOTE] Yea, vac was designed to work with a dedicated server system, giving the false impression that the hack is safe to use so that it can be distributed widely amongst the cheating community, and then ban a large number of them in one swoop. Meanwhile server admins can kick and ban cheaters on a server by server basis. The whole system kind of falls apart when there's no admin or votekick feature to kick the obvious cheaters in a matchmaking system.

[QUOTE=froztshock;23750241]Yea, vac was designed to work with a dedicated server system, giving the false impression that the hack is safe to use so that it can be distributed widely amongst the cheating community, and then ban a large number of them in one swoop. Meanwhile server admins can kick and ban cheaters on a server by server basis. The whole system kind of falls apart when there's no admin or votekick feature to kick the obvious cheaters in a matchmaking system.[/QUOTE] It actually is awesome. Look at DoD: S servers. Quake sounds, abusing admins, instaspawn, donator-only features. MW2 would work hell better with PunkBuster + IWNet, I agree that it falls apart with VAC. But well, it's fully integrated into Steam, so no PB. It's horribly hard to find TRUE VANILLIA server in TF2. Every host is full of plugins, abusing admins, and everything. Community destroyed a lot of games. Especially TF2. They whine about everything, even if its for free and is good. Check SPUF. In MW2, most of the games (if it's not hacked lobby) are normal MW2 game. No kicking for no reason, immature admins, grenade launcher and low gravity for donators only. It's pure MW2.

[QUOTE=Legend286;23749974]Is it not?[/QUOTE] It is always.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750266]It actually is awesome. Look at DoD: S servers. Quake sounds, abusing admins, instaspawn, donator-only features. MW2 would work hell better with PunkBuster + IWNet, I agree that it falls apart with VAC. But well, it's fully integrated into Steam, so no PB. [b]It's horribly hard to find TRUE VANILLIA server in TF2.[/b] Every host is full of plugins, abusing admins, and everything. Community destroyed a lot of games. Especially TF2. They whine about everything, even if its for free and is good. Check SPUF. In MW2, most of the games (if it's not hacked lobby) are normal MW2 game. No kicking for no reason, immature admins, grenade launcher and low gravity for donators only. It's pure MW2.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? 90% of TF2 servers I see only have admin plug-ins and nothing else. Either you aren't looking very hard or you are just pulling stuff out of your ass.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750266]It actually is awesome. Look at DoD: S servers. Quake sounds, abusing admins, instaspawn, donator-only features. MW2 would work hell better with PunkBuster + IWNet, I agree that it falls apart with VAC. But well, it's fully integrated into Steam, so no PB. It's horribly hard to find TRUE VANILLIA server in TF2. Every host is full of plugins, abusing admins, and everything. Community destroyed a lot of games. Especially TF2. They whine about everything, even if its for free and is good. Check SPUF. In MW2, most of the games (if it's not hacked lobby) are normal MW2 game. No kicking for no reason, immature admins, grenade launcher and low gravity for donators only. It's pure MW2.[/QUOTE] Yea, not much pisses me off more than donator only features, like those gmod servers that give donators admin. I mean where does that come from? A server admin should be a regular that's proven that they could be trusted with the responsibility, or someone the owner knows and can trust in real life. Worst donator only feature i've seen in team fortress 2 was immunity to auto balance, and i once almost got banned from a cod4 server for shooting a guy through the projector screen in broadcast (my team had uav at the time and i saw him on radar). But still I do miss some of the features that dedicated servers allowed, like larger player limits than the listen server system. Maximum number of players in mw2 is 18 on certain gamemodes, but i find myself longing for the hectic 50 person matches that were available in the original modern warfare. People are probably right when they say that many players on call of duty sized maps is stupid, but i enjoyed it, and still enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750100]You are not Activisions target audience. As K1ngo64 said or, in better version Right now, MW2 is best game to top these new mountains. Thats why I call Bobby "genius". Wii didn't work that well, but it featured a lot of things for casuals and youngies. The problem with laggy games is actually pretty annoying, but most of the times ping is acceptable. Actually, I encountered bad hosts 5, 6 times. Host migration always did its job, and for the rest of the game I had 3, 4 bars. Huge problem with hackers, I fully agree. Sadly, it's VAC to blame. IT permanently bans, but it takes weeks to ban that goddamn hacker. PB, even if it KICKED innocent players, was better for MW2. Right now, Activision used another amazing tactic. They made "hardcore" players like you, like me very mad about Activision and Infinity ward. Now they took Treyarch and promised Zombie mode and dedis. They are going to get your money again, even if you hated Activision/IW/MW2. And this is goddamn clever.[/QUOTE] And the only reason, MW2 sold so well, is because people actually thought it would top MW1, which actually was a good game compared to mw2, and then theres the oblivious people who think any new game they pick up is gods gift to men, the 12 year olds. [editline]03:25AM[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;23750500]Yea, not much pisses me off more than donator only features, like those gmod servers that give donators admin. I mean where does that come from? A server admin should be a regular that's proven that they could be trusted with the responsibility, or someone the owner knows and can trust in real life. Worst donator only feature i've seen in team fortress 2 was immunity to auto balance, and i once almost got banned from a cod4 server for shooting a guy through the projector screen in broadcast (my team had uav at the time and i saw him on radar). But still I do miss some of the features that dedicated servers allowed, like larger player limits than the listen server system. Maximum number of players in mw2 is 18 on certain gamemodes, but i find myself longing for the hectic 50 person matches that were available in the original modern warfare. People are probably right when they say that many players on call of duty sized maps is stupid, but i enjoyed it, and still enjoy it.[/QUOTE] And i don't see how much say you have in claiming donator advantages are that bad, they help pay for the server , and if they end up as terrible admins they usually get de-admind'. Besides everyone is too cheap to donate to pay for anything, i mean, i've put around 2000 euros or something in my server box, and how much have i got back from donations, from people who play on my servers? around 80 euros.

Well, it's really up to them. I don't complain because I'm not forced to get these things. The people who are whining are the people who got tricked by them and bought all this stuff. So really, it's like complaining about guns because people shoot themselves, or complaining about knives because people foolishly cut their fingers off. Now some things are actually fun for some people, like MW2 maps. I can see how people would love the extra maps, but it's their loss or win, depending on the opinion.

[quote]Are you kidding? 90% of TF2 servers I see only have admin plug-ins and nothing else. Either you aren't looking very hard or you are just pulling stuff out of your ass. [/quote] Well then maybe it's just my bad luck. I have huge history of TF2 servers, most vanillia one was FPUK1, but it still had a lot of moments with random admin abuse, like random teleporting, slaying, slapping, pyro tennis, placing random props etc. And to you, froztschock Sadly, server owner isn't something elite or hard to reach. Every person with his wallet/dads wallet can have his own server. I don't have to deal with these problems in MW2. It's pure. I like it. Maximum number of players is capped at 18 because maps aren't bf2-hugeish. They are small, with a lot of chokepoints or huge, open land. 18 players is more than enough. With 12, it feels more "professional". There's a frontline, we are here, they are there. I can walk to that building and flank them, I can walk in that other building freely because its on my side and frontline blocks it, or I can get near that base and get into open fight. I like that. MW2 is different, not worse.

The best part about your argument, Nexosz, is you suggest I think Kotick is an idiot, he isn't. But he is brutal and is damaging the entire games industry for his own gain. The suggestion that the lack of mod-ability or customisation due to lack of dedi servers in MW2 I find hilarious. If anyone thinks what Blizzard-Activision is doing to the gaming industry is wrong, and yet still keeps their WoW subscription or intends on buying Black Ops, they're a massive hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750618]Well then maybe it's just my bad luck. I have huge history of TF2 servers, most vanillia one was FPUK1, but it still had a lot of moments with random admin abuse, like random teleporting, slaying, slapping, pyro tennis, placing random props etc. And to you, froztschock Sadly, server owner isn't something elite or hard to reach. Every person with his wallet/dads wallet can have his own server. I don't have to deal with these problems in MW2. It's pure. I like it. Maximum number of players is capped at 18 because maps aren't bf2-hugeish. They are small, with a lot of chokepoints or huge, open land. 18 players is more than enough. With 12, it feels more "professional". There's a frontline, we are here, they are there. I can walk to that building and flank them, I can walk in that other building freely because its on my side and frontline blocks it, or I can get near that base and get into open fight. I like that. MW2 is different, not worse.[/QUOTE] Because they're smaller, it only adds to the fact that whoever sees who first is going to win that fight, regardless of skill/weapon/tactics.

[qupte]And the only reason, MW2 sold so well, is because people actually thought it would top MW1, which actually was a good game compared to mw2, and then theres the oblivious people who think any new game they pick up is gods gift to men, the 12 year olds. [/quote] Mind telling you that DLCs are topping steam bestseller lists. I don't think that people would think that mw2 with dlcs can top mw1, three goddamn times. [quote]And i don't see how much say you have in claiming donator advantages are that bad, they help pay for the server , and if they end up as terrible admins they usually get de-admind'. Besides everyone is too cheap to donate to pay for anything, i mean, i've put around 2000 euros or something in my server box, and how much have i got back from donations, from people who play on my servers? around 80 euros.[/quote] Making a server shouldn't be a goddamn business. I really appreciate that you put so much money for us, players, but thats it. Even that you called me a troll, I still like and respect you for all your effort. But if you want full-profit bossiness, you can copy saigns.de or do something else.

Tis true

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23748507]Heh Every person who calls Kotick "fool", "idiot", "retard" etc is just a whiny and jealous person. Heh. Give me one good reason why he's an idiot. actually, I'll just write that down He's amazing, clever man with also amazing tactic. He rip-offs casual players. He swims in their money. Is he dumb? Even if you, "real gamers", refuse to buy his products, he just gets richer and richer. I salute Bobby and Activision. It's business, honey. It's all about money. Oh, and you make me laugh with "mw2 is horrible, no dedicated servers". It's just another form of multiplayer, it's worse in some ways (sometimes your ping is huge, sometimes - low) and better in other (you always play game as developers want you to - no quake sounds modded servers, instaspawn, administrator abuse etc). It's really childish how you call Bobby dumb and retarded. And so is bashing MW2. I'm done.[/QUOTE] Pretty much all this. Rating it dumb just gives you more reason to rethink it. Rate it all the dumbs you want, you will never have a good argument to the statement above. Kotick isn't a genius but hes a damn smart fucker. Its much like 4chan, there are some smart people on there, but they use it for dick reasons. Making everyone there in general a dick somehow. Except Kotick uses it not to purposely be a dick, but for cash, and money is something people want.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;23750692]Pretty much all this. Rating it dumb just gives you more reason to rethink it. Rate it all the dumbs you want, you will never have a good argument to the statement above.[/QUOTE] For fuck's sake, we never said he wasn't a genius. No one on the internet uses retarded how it's supposed to be used anymore, and if you're actually taking them literally, then I feel sorry for you. And it isn't his intelligence that's in question anyway. Hitler was intelligent. What's in question is 1) his game design, and 2) his morality.

[quote]Because they're smaller, it only adds to the fact that whoever sees who first is going to win that fight, regardless of skill/weapon/tactics.[/quote] Sorry, but thats just wrong. It really matters what weapon you use, tactics (flanking, stealth, camping), and skill? Goddamn, in "whoever sees who first" skill is very important.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750730]Sorry, but thats just wrong. It really matters what weapon you use, tactics (flanking, stealth, camping), and skill? Goddamn, in "whoever sees who first" skill is very important.[/QUOTE] In every experience I've ever had with that game, on any map, that holds true. Whether I'm the one attacking, or being attacked, or whether I was just starting out, or was fairly high in the ranks. So if you say it isn't true, then obviously one of us is going to have to provide some kind of proof, which will be very hard to do.

[quote]What's in question is 1) his game design, [/quote] MW2 is different, not worse. [quote] and 2) his morality. [/quote] business and dosh, hun. Okay, I have enough of this posting for now, I'll take a nap and return to that discussion later

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750772]MW2 is different, not worse. business and dosh, hun. Okay, I have enough of this posting for now, I'll take a nap and return to that discussion later[/QUOTE] The first is your opinion, so I won't bother with that. I'll say I disagree. The second we've gone over countless times and you refuse to acknowledge the fact that companies can not be gigantic dicks and still make money i.e. Valve.

[QUOTE=Achilles123;23750795]The first is your opinion, so I won't bother with that. I'll say I disagree. The second we've gone over countless times and you refuse to acknowledge the fact that companies can not be gigantic dicks and still make money i.e. Valve.[/QUOTE] goddamn i'm not in mood to take a nap so, well Thats true, it's an opinion, it's cool you understand that, that actually never happens on FP. Second, sure they don't have to be gigantic dicks to make money. But they can be huge dicks and make even more money.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750851]goddamn i'm not in mood to take a nap so, well Thats true, it's an opinion, it's cool you understand that, that actually never happens on FP. Second, sure they don't have to be gigantic dicks to make money. But they can be huge dicks and make even more money.[/QUOTE] True, but the fact is, they have no reason to. No other gaming company besides EA makes that much money. They have no competition and it isn't like they're solving world hunger in Africa with the extra dough they're making.

I, for one quite like cod. [img]http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2008/bortz_nich/Cod6.jpg[/img] :smug:

Main reason is more money thats it

To the people complaining about Starcraft 2 expansions: If the other Starcraft 2 releases are like Frozen Throne was to Warcraft 3(which is what blizzard is suggesting they will be) I would gladly spend $60 on it.

[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;23746082]But at least Wow players keep to themselves. Codfags are like "I got a nuke using my akimbo ac-130's. Lol you don't play mw2? lolfag"[/QUOTE] People don't want to talk about the massive elf armors they bought.

If you think making more money by being a complete dick in business terms is okay, then that's just the person you are, and I'd imagine you'd be in the minority on this forum. Enjoy your sea of incoming, divided, concurrent games from our favourite publisher

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23750919]Main reason is more money thats it[/QUOTE] Then there really isn't any point in continuing the argument. It's a difference in business tactics/morality, and neither of us are going to change our minds.

Kotick is a bit like that guy whose name I can't remember who recently died and owned the NY yankees. That guy was a genius but he ruined the sport in a kind of way because he was the first to give million dollar contracts to players. Then the other teams had to follow because otherwise they wouldn't be competitive at all. Then other owners from other sport leagues caught up with that and did the same thing. In the end it was all about the money, and not teamwork/winning. Now you got Kotick showing if you shit out whatever the target public wants, they'll pay ridiculous amounts for it. It might ruin the game industry to a certain extent, of course, but it's a great business strategy and I'm pretty sure the stockholders love him. Then the other publishers will have to do the same thing otherwise they won't be competitive at all. [editline]11:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=MajestikOrange;23750956]If you think making more money by being a complete dick in business terms is okay, then that's just the person you are, and I'd imagine you'd be in the minority on this forum. Enjoy your sea of incoming, divided, concurrent games from our favourite publisher[/QUOTE] It's not ok. it's a great strategy, but it is awful to the gaming industry. That's what Nexosz has been saying. In the end you could complain, make petitions and everything, but there's still going to be at least 100 000 guys out there who will gladly give 15 $ for 5 maps so they're going to continue until people start realizing it's not worth it and they have to change their strategy, which is what Kotick will do. They're talking about monthly fees for CoD. It is an awful thing to do, but there's still going to be loads of people who will gladly pay that fee, making the strategy work perfectly.

[QUOTE=MajestikOrange;23750956]If you think making more money by being a complete dick in business terms is okay, then that's just the person you are, and I'd imagine you'd be in the minority on this forum. Enjoy your sea of incoming, divided, concurrent games from our favourite publisher[/QUOTE] well yeah it's okay. it's money, hun. As long as it's legal its all right. Thats how this world works. Also to you, batmoutarde - you still have Valve, and I don't see it going bankrupt. Even if they don't hold the majority, and they appeal to "hardcore", not "casuals", they are still getting profits, and its all good. But I, being a normal human, on their place, I'd actually go mad and change developer-players status. I mean, you cheat them, you rage at them for free content, you rage at them for everything. This isn't right. I find it surprising how they still manage to have good going with players, laugh, feel sorry for doing something bad for them (apologies for mass banning ). I respect that, sadly, community will continue to be annoying as fuck.