Starcraft II Megathread V.1 'Hell, It's About Time' - Games

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;24159660]You're absolutely right. "you're pathetic" is not an insult in any way. You are truly the master debater here.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm just resorting to the methods you use to "win" a debate.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159669]Oh I'm just resorting to the methods you use to "win" a debate.[/QUOTE] Because conceding defeat is a victory, right?

I don't see this ending well.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;24159680]Because conceding defeat is a victory, right?[/QUOTE] Your sarcasm knows no bounds. Or maybe it does I have no idea.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159702]Your sarcasm knows no bounds. Or maybe it does I have no idea.[/QUOTE] I just find it bizarre that you can sit there on your high horse and refute claims like "zerg has no t1 aa" and "terran has a versitile aa unit early on" by saying "your claims are completely untrue". Reality is standing right in front of you, but you would rather look away and defend your easy race than face the facts.

The terran units are ridiculous. Let's have a look shall we? Marines, cost 50. Basic unit, the first unit off the block can shoot anything on the map that isn't cloaked. In a group, all they need is a measly 100/100 upgrade (stimpacks) and they can focus fire down anything. Sure they can be countered, but they are by far the most versatile 'starter-unit' that are useful for the entire game. Marauders, relatively costy 25g/100m. But with another measly 50/50 upgrade, they can slow down anything, and in a group (with stimpacks like before) kiss your armour goodbye. So lets review, only looked at TWO units already and they can easily take out enemy air, bio units and armour. Oh wait, that's everything isn't it? :sigh: Vikings, well, 150/75. You can churn out a lot of these, good AA. Oh look at that, they can turn into ground-walking shooters too. Wonderful. What's that you say? 'They'll have to expand eventually, won't they be vulnerable?' Not anymore! Command center's are now flyable! Along with most of their buildings, so if your going to attack terran you'll need AA and AG to take out the base. They don't even need to scout. One 50-cost ability and they can see everything your doing (that isn't hidden). All this (along with siege tanks) make them able to just sit in the base, no need to scout, no need to build outside, no need to think about specific build orders (mainly because it's barracks->Factory-> starport, HEY! YOU CAN BUILD EVERYTHING NOW). :colbert:

Oh I'm sorry I'll guess I'll never play terran again because terran are easy and sure as hell not fun to play as otherwise nope I gotta play as the aryan zerg master-race and the protoss. Really, I enjoy playing terran for the reasons that they have good music, the units are cool and have good voiceovers while being fun and the fact that I just simply prefer humans and playing as them and I am okay with them. What you and your friends need to do is to stop posting stuff about "TERRAN ARE ALWAYS OP HERR" because, fine, if it makes you happy they can be nerfed slightly but do not expect that Blizzard will release a patch either nerfing terran a bit or buffing protoss/zerg.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159702]Your sarcasm knows no bounds. Or maybe it does I have no idea.[/QUOTE] Wow look at that people are actually making posts as to why Terran is ridiculous and you're ignoring those posts. I suggest you start backpedaling.

Great, Battle.net has dropped me out in three games a row now. Thankfully i only lost 2 points for it though.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159844]Oh I'm sorry I'll guess I'll never play terran again because terran are easy and sure as hell not fun to play as otherwise nope I gotta play as the aryan zerg master-race and the protoss. Really, I enjoy playing terran for the reasons that they have good music, the units are cool and have good voiceovers while being fun and the fact that I just simply prefer humans and playing as them and I am okay with them. What you and your friends need to do is to stop posting stuff about "TERRAN ARE ALWAYS OP HERR" because, fine, if it makes you happy they can be nerfed slightly but do not expect that Blizzard will release a patch either nerfing terran a bit or buffing protoss/zerg.[/QUOTE] No really you're completely ignoring proof that is being posted right here. You should REALLY start backpedaling.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159844]Oh I'm sorry I'll guess I'll never play terran again because terran are easy and sure as hell not fun to play as otherwise nope I gotta play as the aryan zerg master-race and the protoss. Really, I enjoy playing terran for the reasons that they have good music, the units are cool and have good voiceovers while being fun and the fact that I just simply prefer humans and playing as them and I am okay with them. What you and your friends need to do is to stop posting stuff about "TERRAN ARE ALWAYS OP HERR" because, fine, if it makes you happy they can be nerfed slightly but do not expect that Blizzard will release a patch either nerfing terran a bit or buffing protoss/zerg.[/QUOTE] No one, not any person here, got mad at you for playing terran. No one says you should play a different race. We never said you should play zerg instead. However, if you're going to say "terran isn't op" we're going to prove you wrong.

I like you guys, our debates shouldn't affect our views on each other. :gbsmith:

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159929]I like you guys, our debates shouldn't affect our views on each other. :gbsmith:[/QUOTE] I love you, wanna get married?

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;24159943]I love you, wanna get married?[/QUOTE] If you are a woman, maybe. But okay, to let this end, I'll be "refreshed" and say; Okay, some things about the Terran are OP but that does not mean any competent zerg or protoss player cannot defeat him or her

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159977]If you are a woman, maybe. But okay, to let this end, I'll be "refreshed" and say; Okay, some things about the Terran are OP but that does not mean any competent zerg or protoss player cannot defeat him or her[/QUOTE] Then all is well in the world. I just enjoy arguing o.O

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;24159991]Then all is well in the world. I just enjoy arguing o.O[/QUOTE] You admit any competent zerg/protoss player can defeat a Terran and all is well.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159977]If you are a woman, maybe. But okay, to let this end, I'll be "refreshed" and say; Okay, some things about the Terran are OP but that does not mean any competent zerg or protoss player cannot defeat him or her[/QUOTE] At lower levels, sure. But as you get better and better the imbalances become more and more apparent. This is why people like Dimaga are starting to switch over to Terran.

Make Hydralisks tier 1.5 again and make them cost 1 food The world will be a better place

[QUOTE=LeonS;24159844]Oh I'm sorry I'll guess I'll never play terran again because terran are easy and sure as hell not fun to play as otherwise nope I gotta play as the aryan zerg master-race and the protoss. Really, I enjoy playing terran for the reasons that they have good music, the units are cool and have good voiceovers while being fun and the fact that I just simply prefer humans and playing as them and I am okay with them. What you and your friends need to do is to stop posting stuff about "TERRAN ARE ALWAYS OP HERR" because, fine, if it makes you happy they can be nerfed slightly but do not expect that Blizzard will release a patch either nerfing terran a bit or buffing protoss/zerg.[/QUOTE] Okay, so you ask for a reason why Terran are overpowered, we give them to you, and then you act like we're calling you a loser for playing Terran or something? Was this ever actually supposed to be a debate?

[QUOTE=Jund;24160029]Make Hydralisks tier 1 again and make them cost 1 food The world will be a better place[/QUOTE] Too drastic, it would make Hydralisks nearly unstoppable.

Also, we CAN expect that Blizzard will buff Zerg/Toss or nerf Terran because the overwhelming consensus even in the pro community is that Terran are overpowered and Zerg are underpowered and the game is pretty damn new and Blizzard is very good about listening to fans and tweaking balance.

I love happy endings.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24160011]You admit any competent zerg/protoss player can defeat a Terran and all is well.[/QUOTE] you don't understand do you if you put 2 persons of equal skill playing a TvZ, the terran will win, because to even bother winning as a zerg you have to have a ridiculously better macro and micro, because all the terran has to do to beat your army is to a+move with a MMM ball with a few tanks and stimpack

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;24160053]Okay, so you ask for a reason why Terran are overpowered, we give them to you, and then you act like we're calling you a loser for playing Terran or something? Was this ever actually supposed to be a debate?[/QUOTE] I just think they are pretty bad reasons, is there a reason you want to bring this up again just when we made peace?

[QUOTE=X-Neon;24160058]Too drastic, it would make Hydralisks nearly unstoppable.[/QUOTE] They'd be like roaches were in early beta Make hydras anti-armor for sure

[QUOTE=hax4543;24158457]Documents//Blizzard//Starcraft 2//Account//-somenumber-//-somemorenumberorletters-//Replays im pretty sure[/QUOTE] You mean /user/documents? Because I don't have a blizzard folder there. I'm on Vista BTW so it might be different from XP or 7.

[QUOTE=LeonS;24160185]I just think they are pretty bad reasons, is there a reason you want to bring this up again just when we made peace?[/QUOTE] Did we?

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;24160210]Did we?[/QUOTE] I made peace with melon and I sure as hell don't want to waste my time anymore on this.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;24160191]They'd be like roaches were in early beta Make hydras anti-armor for sure[/QUOTE] I think the change should be lings doing 6 damage to armored, and 8 after the first damage upgrade. That would reduce the number of hits to kill a stalker from 32 to 20.

[QUOTE=X-Neon;24160058]Too drastic, it would make Hydralisks nearly unstoppable.[/QUOTE] They cost 1 food in SC1 and they were stoppable. The Zerg isn't special any more because both the Protoss and the Terrans can churn out units just as fast, if not faster with Warp Gates and Reactors. When the Protoss can outnumber the Zerg you know something's wrong. Just make them like SC1 Hydras, except keep the extended build time and higher build cost.