[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518078]You realize she acts like an asshole due to the way she was raised and abused, right? They come from her problems, they stem from them.[/QUOTE]
Since we're getting into how a person's personality develops, why does anyone become an asshole? Is it because everyone around them was an asshole? Is it because they had to be an asshole in order to not be taken advantage of? Is it because that's just what worked for them and how they got ahead? Do they just enjoy beating other people up?
There is more to this than just what happened to her long ago. It doesn't matter what happened, she was shaped by them and that's who she is. There's no point rooting through her past and getting rid of everything that's related to that aspect.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29518208]Since we're getting into how a person's personality develops, why does anyone become an asshole? Is it because everyone around them was an asshole? Is it because they had to be an asshole in order to not be taken advantage of? Is it because that's just what worked for them and how they got ahead? Do they just enjoy beating other people up?
There is more to this than just what happened to her long ago. It doesn't matter what happened, she was shaped by them and that's who she is. There's no point rooting through her past and getting rid of everything that's related to that aspect.[/QUOTE]
You're misunderstand me, my point is that by the time of ME3, she would have had treatment and time to reflect on her life and change a bit. That's what people do.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518189]As I said, experience changes and molds you. It's not "who" she is, people change. It just so happens that a lot of your foundations are during child-hood. I think a child-hood of abuse would make anyone a fuck up asshole.
I'm also sure in their spare time the characters would think and do their own thing, considering she also can get access to Cerberus files.
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Well I'm going to assume that because it's a game, she has no real "mental" disorder and just some plot emotional shit.
And yes, I suffer depression as does my boyfriend, so thanks. I do know what it's like to have a disorder where I want to kill myself at random times.[/QUOTE]
Christ, will you stop whinging about you and your boyfriend. I don't give a fuck, and it has no bearing on the discussion.
Hell, what is the point of this conversation anyway?
[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518189]As I said, experience changes and molds you. It's not "who" she is, people change. It just so happens that a lot of your foundations are during child-hood. I think a child-hood of abuse would make anyone a fuck up asshole.
I'm also sure in their spare time the characters would think and do their own thing, considering she also can get access to Cerberus files.[/QUOTE]
And what, are people better when they overcome these issues or when they erase their existence? Who cares if that's what shaped her, it doesn't hold any power over her. Her aggression is all her own.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29518244]Christ, will you stop whinging about you and your boyfriend. I don't give a fuck, and it has no bearing on the discussion.
Hell, what is the point of this conversation anyway?[/QUOTE]
first off, I'm not whining, (it's not whinging), second. I'm just using it as an example. You wanted to know if I knew about mental disorders, why yes. Yes I do. You got your answer, what more do you want?
There is no point to this discussion and I'm getting bored of it anyway
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;29518267]And what, are people better when they overcome these issues or when they erase their existence? Who cares if that's what shaped her, it doesn't hold any power over her. Her aggression is all her own.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Maybe, but I'm going to assume her issues fuel her aggression.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518238]You're misunderstand me, my point is that by the time of ME3, she would have had treatment and time to reflect on her life and change a bit. That's what people do.[/QUOTE]
Unless she didn't. And spent it faffing about killing people, or brooding at the bottom of the normandy torturing cats or some shit.
Stop assuming that people naturally want to become better members of society and actively seek out treatment. That's complete nonsense. Ed Gein didn't spend his spare time looking for a psychiatrist, he spent it killing women and turning them into furniture.
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[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518273]first off, I'm not whining, (it's not whinging), second. I'm just using it as an example. You wanted to know if I knew about mental disorders, why yes. Yes I do. You got your answer, what more do you want?
There is no point to this discussion and I'm getting bored of it anyway
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Maybe Maybe, but I'm going to assume her issues fuel her aggression.[/QUOTE]
whinge [wɪndʒ] Informal
vb whinges, whingeing, whinged (intr)
1. to cry in a fretful way
2. to complain
n
a complaint
[from a Northern variant of Old English hwinsian to whine; related to Old High German winsan, winisan, whence Middle High German winsen]
whingeing n & adj
whinger n
You have a real big ego, you know that.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29518300]Unless she didn't. And spent it faffing about killing people, or brooding at the bottom of the normandy torturing cats or some shit.
Stop assuming that people naturally want to become better members of society and actively seek out treatment. That's complete nonsense. Ed Gein didn't spend his spare time looking for a psychiatrist, he spent it killing women and turning them into furniture.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to assume Jack isn't absolutely bat shit insane, and it isn't about "better member of society" it's wanting to get help with your problems.
Either way, we can assume jack shit whatever. Doesn't matter.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518238]You're misunderstand me, my point is that by the time of ME3, she would have had treatment and time to reflect on her life and change a bit. That's what people do.[/QUOTE]
Reflecting on her life is not changing who she is. She isn't a softie with a tough shell she can just take off, that shell is as much a part of her as anything else. She can make it better, but casting it off completely would fuck her over big time. She may change a bit, but the core of who she is isn't going to change a hell of a lot, or at least it shouldn't if Bioware know what they're doing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29518300]Unless she didn't. And spent it faffing about killing people, or brooding at the bottom of the normandy torturing cats or some shit.
Stop assuming that people naturally want to become better members of society and actively seek out treatment. That's complete nonsense. Ed Gein didn't spend his spare time looking for a psychiatrist, he spent it killing women and turning them into furniture.
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whinge [wɪndʒ] Informal
vb whinges, whingeing, whinged (intr)
1. to cry in a fretful way
2. to complain
n
a complaint
[from a Northern variant of Old English hwinsian to whine; related to Old High German winsan, winisan, whence Middle High German winsen]
whingeing n & adj
whinger n
You have a real big ego, you know that.[/QUOTE]
Well where I come from, we say Whine. Regardless, I'm not complaining. I was using it as an example.
You asked if I knew anything about mental disorders, I told you I do. What more do you want? You're at the point where you have no argument left anyway if all you can do is attack me.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;29518318]I'm going to assume Jack isn't absolutely bat shit insane, and it isn't about "better member of society" [B]it's wanting to get help with your problems.[/B]
Either way, we can assume jack shit whatever. Doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
Jack doesn't really seem to think they're problems.
Isn't it Jack that says something along the lines of, "It's who I am, you can't change that" when Shepard asks why she's such a dick all the time?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29518329]Reflecting on her life is not changing who she is. She isn't a softie with a tough shell she can just take off, that shell is as much a part of her as anything else. She can make it better, but casting it off completely would fuck her over big time. She may change a bit, but the core of who she is isn't going to change a hell of a lot, or at least it shouldn't if Bioware know what they're doing.[/QUOTE]
Depends on perspective I guess, we're not going to get anywhere so I'm done with this argument, none of us are psychiatrists nor are we Bioware.
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29518354]Jack doesn't really seem to think they're problems.[/QUOTE]
Well I haven't played the game in awhile, so silly me.
[editline]29th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29518354]Jack doesn't really seem to think they're problems.
Isn't it Jack that says something along the lines of, "It's who I am, you can't change that" when Shepard asks why she's such a dick all the time?[/QUOTE]
People also refuse or fight a lot when it comes to help. Trust me on that. (Yet again, herp durp personal experience). Not even talking about Jack on this one, just in general.
... so... how 'bout dem Reapers.
[QUOTE=sltungle;29520444]... so... how 'bout dem Reapers.[/QUOTE]
i like sovereign's voice more than harbinger's
Sovereign is an imposing being who threatens you just by talking. Harbinger is an annoying little super enemy who won't shut up. Less is more and Harbinger just talks too much.
Oh god yes. I hope Harbinger isn't the boss Reaper. I hope there's a more menacing sounding, Sovereign-esque Reaper who's maybe more important than him. I miss Sovereign's voice.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29521015]Sovereign is an imposing being who threatens you just by talking. Harbinger is an annoying little super enemy who won't shut up. Less is more and Harbinger just talks too much.[/QUOTE]
the way i [I]hope[/I] it is is that sovereign was like a lord, harbinger is like a messenger, and there's some other reaper that's like a king.
i just hope they don't turn the reapers into the borg from star trek voyager. "WE ARE EVIL AND WE WILL KILL YOU AND YOU ARE DEAD BECAUSE WE ARE STRONG WHAT IS THAT IS THAT A GUN IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE WE ARE EVIL OH NO WE HAVE BEEN SHOT NOW TO TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T WIN ALSO WE ARE EVIL DID WE MENTION THAT"
I miss when the Reapers were just pseudo-religious demonic Eldritch abominations, when they revealed how Reapers are built it seemed more silly then creepy to me, personally.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY[/media]
They tried to make the Reapers sound [I]WAY[/I] too organic when they did Harbinger.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29508771]No, it's not a Dues Ex Machina. A proper Dues Ex Machina would be going into the final fight and suddenly the Reapers all go into hibernation or every race suddenly believes in you and they all show up regardless of what you did and that's somehow good enough. A Dues Ex Machina would be something that happens in the final moment.
What this is is either use of a previous Chekhov's gun to create a plot element and structure the entire game around that or just make something new for this game, either way it is not clumsily thrown in and is the core part of the game. It may be a magical solution to it but what did you think was going to happen? How would they do anything if a solution to the problem was not introduced? This is not in the final moment, this is throughout the entire game and has a proper buildup, definitely not a Dues Ex Machina.
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ME3 is based completely around this solution to the problem. By definition is you have been searching for it the entire plot, discover it halfway through and implement it in the last part, that can't be a Dues Ex Machina.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but, it's the fact that we're obviously going to destroy the Reapers that shits me off. This ruins the entire premise that they're huge, unstoppable, and in countless numbers. It completely nullifys the fact that for 2 billion years they've remained unbeatable, and only a few Reapers have ever been killed. It destroys the credibility of the entire plot if the Reapers can just be beaten now because 'HUMANS ARE THE BEST SPECIES EVER AND SHEPARD IS A MAN-GOD'
You'd think since the beginning of spacefaring races somebody would have figured out the secret, but no, we conviently figure that out now, and it's going to kill off the credibility of the enemy. I honestly don't want the Reapers to be destroyed, to be frank.
They're probably going to explain why previous civilizations failed.
Also, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. The Reapers have plowed through countless civilizations, all it takes is one successful resistance effort to put a screeching halt on that. Perhaps the ME galaxy races aren't really any more special than previous civilizations, just odds and luck have finally landed in their favor after millions of years of extinctions.
[QUOTE=ThePutty;29521481]Yeah but, it's the fact that we're obviously going to destroy the Reapers that shits me off. This ruins the entire premise that they're huge, unstoppable, and in countless numbers. It completely nullifys the fact that for 2 billion years they've remained unbeatable, and only a few Reapers have ever been killed. It destroys the credibility of the entire plot if the Reapers can just be beaten now because 'HUMANS ARE THE BEST SPECIES EVER AND SHEPARD IS A MAN-GOD'
You'd think since the beginning of spacefaring races somebody would have figured out the secret, but no, we conviently figure that out now, and it's going to kill off the credibility of the enemy. I honestly don't want the Reapers to be destroyed, to be frank.[/QUOTE]
well to be fair, the only reason we're able to even fight them at all is because we're lucky enough to have had the protheans cockblock them at the citadel
Hopefully whatever it is that obliterates the reapers isn't just some giant red off button floating in space
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besides sherpard is a man god
I know the game is also not coming out until november and we know like one smudge of the story, so it might not even result in that, but if it does..
Fuck
If it weren't for the Protheans, as was said, we'd all be doomed anyway. It's not so much that humanity is inherently special as it is that one individual, Shepard, got lucky and managed to catch a message from the past.
The Reapers main advantage in all prior cycles was the element of surprise. With that gone humanity and the rest of the species currently inhabiting the galaxy actually stand a fighting chance.
If anything, in the whole Mass Effect trilogy the Protheans are the species ones. They were the only ones we know of who managed to figure out how Mass Relays work, and they did all that they could to prevent the cycle from happening again.
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29521370]I miss when the Reapers were just pseudo-religious demonic Eldritch abominations, when they revealed how Reapers are built it seemed more silly then creepy to me, personally.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY[/media]
They tried to make the Reapers sound [I]WAY[/I] too organic when they did Harbinger.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, though, if the Reapers actually existed and you came across the Collector base, and, eventually, the human Reaper... it'd probably be one of the single scariest things you'd ever gain knowledge of in your entire life. Just imagine the end of ME2 played out in a more Dead Space like atmosphere and it suddenly becomes a factor of infinity more terrifying.
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Just killed the Rachni on Nepmos in ME1 and it got me wondering: what the fuck do Rachni eat? They're always found on barren worlds with no indigenous lifeforms, so what the fuck are they consuming? Maybe they use the acid they spit to melt down rocks and consume raw minerals or something.
[QUOTE=ThePutty;29521481]Yeah but, it's the fact that we're obviously going to destroy the Reapers that shits me off. This ruins the entire premise that they're huge, unstoppable, and in countless numbers. It completely nullifys the fact that for 2 billion years they've remained unbeatable, and only a few Reapers have ever been killed. It destroys the credibility of the entire plot if the Reapers can just be beaten now because 'HUMANS ARE THE BEST SPECIES EVER AND SHEPARD IS A MAN-GOD'
You'd think since the beginning of spacefaring races somebody would have figured out the secret, but no, we conviently figure that out now, and it's going to kill off the credibility of the enemy. I honestly don't want the Reapers to be destroyed, to be frank.[/QUOTE]
They have been unbeatable because no-one has ever tried to fight them. With them coming through the Citadel relay and shutting down all other relays, other species were separated and helpless. They are strong but they rely on destroying their opponents capabilities before even facing them. They try to avoid a direct confrontation with an entire species' fleet as it gives them the possibility of destruction. They can be destroyed, and they know it. There's even the derelict Reaper to show they can be.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29522676]They have been unbeatable because no-one has ever tried to fight them. With them coming through the Citadel relay and shutting down all other relays, other species were separated and helpless. They are strong but they rely on destroying their opponents capabilities before even facing them. [B]They try to avoid a direct confrontation with an entire species' fleet as it gives them the possibility of destruction.[/B] They can be destroyed, and they know it. There's even the derelict Reaper to show they can be.[/QUOTE]
It'd take an entire species' fleet to take out 2-3 Reapers, saying nothing of the thousands the Reapers have at their disposal (which if they committed into a pitched battle could probably annihilate the entire opposing fleet before they can get into range to fire at them anyway.)
It took a species to make an impossibly large mass accelerator cannon to allow them to take out Reapers in a single shot, even with this it apparently didn't end well for them.
Who knows, maybe there's a reason the Reapers are so concerned about not losing their numbers for reasons other then, "it's hard as hell to make more" and that's why they go through the trouble of shutting down the Citadel relay first.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29521553]They're probably going to explain why previous civilizations failed.
Also, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. The Reapers have plowed through countless civilizations, all it takes is one successful resistance effort to put a screeching halt on that. Perhaps the ME galaxy races aren't really any more special than previous civilizations, just odds and luck have finally landed in their favor after millions of years of extinctions.[/QUOTE]
Ah, take it you've never played a video game before or ever read pop scifi?
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;29522676]They have been unbeatable because no-one has ever tried to fight them. With them coming through the Citadel relay and shutting down all other relays, other species were separated and helpless. They are strong but they rely on destroying their opponents capabilities before even facing them. They try to avoid a direct confrontation with an entire species' fleet as it gives them the possibility of destruction. They can be destroyed, and they know it. There's even the derelict Reaper to show they can be.[/QUOTE]
Except the game directly contradicts you, they've been fought plenty of other times.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29518300]Unless she didn't. And spent it faffing about killing people, or brooding at the bottom of the normandy torturing cats or some shit.
Stop assuming that people naturally want to become better members of society and actively seek out treatment. That's complete nonsense. Ed Gein didn't spend his spare time looking for a psychiatrist, he spent it killing women and turning them into furniture.
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whinge [wɪndʒ] Informal
vb whinges, whingeing, whinged (intr)
1. to cry in a fretful way
2. to complain
n
a complaint
[from a Northern variant of Old English hwinsian to whine; related to Old High German winsan, winisan, whence Middle High German winsen]
whingeing n & adj
whinger n
You have a real big ego, you know that.[/QUOTE]
For someone who wants to correct people, yep, you got a big ego. We all do.
[QUOTE=Saren;29523257]For someone who wants to correct people, yep, you got a big ego. We all do.[/QUOTE]
im not damn well correcting her im just showing that "whinging" is in fact a word
oh shit now i'm correcting you, ive fallen into your cunning trap
Well you are right to spell something that people can't spell. But don't let it get to your head. But anyway, moving on.
What does Zaeed say if he dies on the suicide mission?
All I can picture happening is he gets shot, he falls to the ground fatally wounded (obviously so), and goes, "... this takes me back."
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29521573]well to be fair, the only reason we're able to even fight them at all is because we're lucky enough to have had the protheans cockblock them at the citadel
Hopefully whatever it is that obliterates the reapers isn't just some giant red off button floating in space
[editline]30th April 2011[/editline]
besides sherpard is a man god[/QUOTE]
£5 says some sort of MAC like the one that took out the derelict Reaper.
also, nice page engulfing shitstorm
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