[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;29867301]I'm surprised people argued that someone's sexuality, wether it is straight or gay or somewhere inbetween, is a major part of thier personality[/QUOTE]
The argument feeds heavily off of the distaste many had for how Bioware handled romances in Dragon Age 2. The worry that Bioware could potentially turn the entire cast into the same ambiguous sexuality to pander, is one that isn't so far fetched. It bothers some more than it does others, but it is still an issue in terms of how the community relates to the game and the characters involved. There are two completely different teams that work on the game, but it is still feeding off the 'all under one roof' set of logic.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;29867301]I'm surprised people argued that someone's sexuality, wether it is straight or gay or somewhere inbetween, is a major part of thier personality and that the instant they're available for romancin' every dude would be on their knees for Shepard's rifle and every chick will be causing flash floods thinking about imagining their hand was a Mako and Shepard's breasts were an alien planet.[/QUOTE]
You have to remember, in Mass Effect 2, if you didn't fuck a character they had nothing to say. If that happens with every bloody character that'll suck.
[QUOTE=DX_V;29867823]The argument feeds heavily off of the distaste many had for how Bioware handled romances in Dragon Age 2. The worry that Bioware could potentially turn the entire cast into the same ambiguous sexuality to pander, is one that isn't so far fetched. It bothers some more than it does others, but it is still an issue in terms of how the community relates to the game and the characters involved. There are two completely different teams that work on the game, but it is still feeding off the 'all under one roof' set of logic.[/QUOTE]
I haven't played DA2...
It's too bad you can't kill both Kaidan and Ashley, they both suck pretty bad, but Ashley's worse. :v:
Still pissed I can't beat the final boss in ME1, I feel like an idiot because ME2's final boss was so easy.
[QUOTE=DX_V;29867823]The argument feeds heavily off of the distaste many had for how Bioware handled romances in Dragon Age 2. The worry that Bioware could potentially turn the entire cast into the same ambiguous sexuality to pander, is one that isn't so far fetched. It bothers some more than it does others, but it is still an issue in terms of how the community relates to the game and the characters involved. There are two completely different teams that work on the game, but it is still feeding off the 'all under one roof' set of logic.[/QUOTE]
People asked for bi-romances on Origins, so they did on DA2, yet people bitched in every way. In relation to ME, male Shepard could be romanced by Thane(scrapped, of course), and Tali really likes female Shepard and her flirting. So that's relative, I guess.
It's not a issue to me because, to me, makes sense. In DA2, it works like if [i]you[/i] demonstrate interest on them, they will as well. But I understand how people feel about this, and, if done poorly, it can ruin character development very badly.
[QUOTE=Ceiling Man;29868229]It's too bad you can't kill both Kaidan and Ashley, they both suck pretty bad, but Ashley's worse. :v:
Still pissed I can't beat the final boss in ME1, I feel like an idiot because ME2's final boss was so easy.[/QUOTE]
Meaning Saren or..Other Saren
No matter what, [B]Keep moving and fire every weapon you got. When one overheat, Switch[/B]
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29868142]You have to remember, in Mass Effect 2, if you didn't fuck a character they had nothing to say. If that happens with every bloody character that'll suck.[/QUOTE]
Because romances are sidequests, they are not vital to the game. But yes, if that happens to every character, then it's not romance, it's just 3D sex (semi-)simulator.
[QUOTE=BreenIsALie;29868291]Meaning Saren or..Other Saren
No matter what, [B]Keep moving and fire every weapon you got. When one overheat, Switch[/B][/QUOTE]
What's that one ammo that punches through shields and damages HP directly?
[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;29868235]People asked for bi-romances on Origins, so they did on DA2, yet people bitched in every way. In relation to ME, male Shepard could be romanced by Thane(scrapped, of course), and Tali really likes female Shepard and her flirting. So that's relative, I guess.
It's not a issue to me because, to me, makes sense. In DA2, it works like if [i]you[/i] demonstrate interest on them, they will as well. But I understand how people feel about this, and, if done poorly, it can ruin character development very badly.[/QUOTE]
Zevran and Leliana could be romanced by their sex in DA:O.
[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;29868235] But I understand how people feel about this, and, if done poorly, it can ruin character development very badly.[/QUOTE]
Not only that but if you remember in ME2, if the you shot down the characters who wanted to romance you, there was fucking nothing after that. They didn't talk to you, it was almost like the 'friendship' dynamic completely died off. That sucked, to say the least. The fear that they could all of a sudden make Garrus or any other beloved character bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, whatever you'd like to call it, and have a 'straight' Shepard's bromance/friendship be heavily affected by that change is a real issue.
[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;29868330]Because romances are sidequests, they are not vital to the game. But yes, if that happens to every character, then it's not romance, it's just 3D sex (semi-)simulator.[/QUOTE]
My problem was that, in ME1, if I talked to Ash as a girl she had a lot to say, some stories and so on, I could get to know her. If I talked to Tali as a girl in ME2, I would get two conversations and then she'd clean the engine forever.
Same as a dude, you could talk to Kaidan, get his opinion on a lot of things, etc etc. But Garrus in ME2? He got a couple of short boring conversations, and you only really got to know him if you were a girl and boned the bugger.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29868334]What's that one ammo that punches through shields and damages HP directly?[/QUOTE]
Oh shit what was it called in ME1. Disruptive ammo ? or something along those lines
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;29868343]Zevran and Leliana could be romanced by their sex in DA:O.[/QUOTE]
Morrigan and Alistair couldn't.
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[QUOTE=Shibbey;29868368]My problem was that, in ME1, if I talked to Ash as a girl she had a lot to say, some stories and so on, I could get to know her. If I talked to Tali as a girl in ME2, I would get two conversations and then she'd clean the engine forever.
Same as a dude, you could talk to Kaidan, get his opinion on a lot of things, etc etc. But Garrus in ME2? He got a couple of short boring conversations, and you only really got to know him if you were a girl and boned the bugger.[/QUOTE]
ME1: Actual character development
ME2: Fan-service simulator
And Tali and Garrus were nothing but fanservice. Jack and Thane are far better characters to 'develop'.
By making one character bisexual, they get defined as "that one you can pork as both genders".
By making them all or most of them bisexual, it seems unrealistic.
By making none of them bisexual, it's a bit unfair on people who are homosexual, and people will complain.
Lose/Lose/Lose scenario.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29868578]By making one character bisexual, they get defined as "that one you can pork as both genders".
By making them all or most of them bisexual, it seems unrealistic.
By making none of them bisexual, it's a bit unfair on people who are homosexual, and people will complain.
Lose/Lose/Lose scenario.[/QUOTE]
Or stay with the character traits as they are. I have always had a feeling that Kaidan wanted some Shepards Pie but it would feel weird if Zaeed started to get his moves on
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29868578]By making one character bisexual, they get defined as "that one you can pork as both genders".
By making them all or most of them bisexual, it seems unrealistic.
By making none of them bisexual, it's a bit unfair on people who are homosexual, and people will complain.
Lose/Lose/Lose scenario.[/QUOTE]
Strange thing is, DA2 is all that, at once.
[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;29868432]Morrigan and Alistair couldn't.[/QUOTE]
Why does every character have to be available to everyone for romance purposes?
[QUOTE=guicool-BR-;29868432]
And Tali and Garrus were nothing but fanservice.[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes they were.
The ME1 romances felt more organic and like part of the story.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29868578]By making one character bisexual, they get defined as "that one you can pork as both genders".
By making them all or most of them bisexual, it seems unrealistic.
By making none of them bisexual, it's a bit unfair on people who are homosexual, and people will complain.
Lose/Lose/Lose scenario.[/QUOTE]
heh heh pork
I was sad to find my fish dead, at least my space hamster is cute.
[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;29868738]I was sad to find my fish dead, at least my space hamster is cute.[/QUOTE]
You should get Kelly to feed them, Assuming she has not turned into goo
[QUOTE=DX_V;29868631]Why does every character have to be available to everyone for romance purposes?
Yes, yes they were.
The ME1 romances felt more organic and like part of the story.[/QUOTE]
Don't know, I'm just glad that Shale wasn't one of them, because [sp]she[/sp] is a fucking golem.
Agreed on the ME1 romances, mostly went with Liara. What do you want more in ME3, female turians/krogans/salarians, or more new aliens.
I am more focused on new enemies, and weapons to kill enemies, including the new Thresher Maw.
[QUOTE=DX_V;29868631]Why does every character have to be available to everyone for romance purposes?
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People are crazy. And horny.
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Yes, yes they were.
The ME1 romances felt more organic and like part of the story.[/QUOTE]
Tali in ME2 was Liara in ME1. Same thing really.
Also I found this, could be more related to the DA2 thread, but...
[url]http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6576620&lf=8[/url]
[quote=David Gaider, lead writer DA2]I'll say this much and be done with it:
For Anders and Isabela it was decided they would initiate the romance, but only if the player was showing themselves at all receptive (beyond actively flirting with them, I mean) -- in Anders' case, for instance, there's only one option (the Diplomatic one) when you speak to him that leads to this. The other two options do not. Otherwise it's up to the player to initiate.
If that's not what you're interested in, then turn him down. You may get rivalry points (you don't always), but that's not a "punishment". There are plenty of other ways to get friendship points if the Friendship path is what you're interested in. Rivalry is not a punishment-- it's an alternate follower path with its own dialogue, romance and gameplay bonuses.
Beyond that, if the concern is you might accidentally be exposed to an unwelcome sexual advance-- oh well. One would hope you'd deal with it in the same mature manner you'd do so in real life. There are numerous other times in Dragon Age where you might be confronted with uncomfortable situations, and you don't get to dictate those, either.
Fenris and Merrill don't initiate a romance with any gender, and really their sexuality is the most subjective since they don't discuss it. Regardless, why someone would be concerned about what other people might do in their playthroughs is difficult to say. If the idea that a character might be having hypothetical sex with someone of the same gender in an alternate dimension bothers you, then by all means don't continue with their romance. That's why they're optional.
In DA2 specifically, one of the strongest elements of choice in the game is your choice of relationship-- with friends, family as well as with romances--and we feel that's important to retain. That's why it's there. It's not political correctness that drives this, but an effort to provide freedom in the places we feel it's most important.
And I'll leave it at that. Enjoy. [/quote]
EDIT: Nice, I have the 5000th post of the thread
Gaider isn't writing for Mass Effect 3. He's had a few other responses like this on the forums that just causes more conflict between the fanbase. It's sad because people are beginning to stereotype the situation as hetero vs. homos, instead of listening to the concerns of both sides and considering the implications of having or lacking a bisexual cast of romance options. If anyone in this thread would really like an interesting read, go to the Bioware boards and browse through the Mass Effect 2 general discussion boards, it's where all the arguments and disagreements are really coming up.
It's a lose lose situation for Bioware, you alienate a group of people either way you go about this situation.
I just started playing ME1. I was six hours into the game and had seen hardly any combat. Now I have left the Citadel and I'm doing a mission on Noveria that pits me up against Geth juggernauts and Krogen with some sort of regenerating health. I'm getting my ass kicked and barely have a handle on the combat. I feel the game didn't properly prepare me for this.
[QUOTE=BreenIsALie;29868609]but it would feel weird if Zaeed started to get his moves on[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding that would be fucking hilarious.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29869114]Are you kidding that would be fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes it would be
But it would be wierd
Can't be worse than Rule 34, right?
[QUOTE=Shibbey;29869114]Are you kidding that would be fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE]
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I don't even, what the fuck is going on in here?
I tried looking for something on Youtube. I though that someone had to had done some body replacements. Could not find anything. Anyone with the PC version up for some body replacement and then Shep on Zaeed action :q:
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[QUOTE=DX_V;29869219]I don't even, what the fuck is going on in here?[/QUOTE]
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