[QUOTE=Thom12255;29236607]I'm suddenly on the Reaper side![/QUOTE]
Well it's kind of a slippery moral slope if it is their reasoning. Technically in the end I guess they're letting more lives exist in the first place, but, in the end, they're still killing them anyway, so... it's kind of a morally grey area.
If that's their reasoning and it's revealed in ME3 and we have the option to submit to them (maybe even willingly join with them and not have to go through the whole horrible liquification process either): I'm still fighting them to the very end. There's always another way, and I'm sure given the time we could find a way to get around the dark energy problem. And if not? So be it. We tried. We failed. Whatever. At least we didn't become monsters in the process, though. We stuck to the principles we set ourself, we never faltered and we refused to compromise them. We stuck by our moral and ethical guidelines to the end.
Whatever the Reapers reasoning is: I'm ending them.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;29234317]Bullshit, it only records from the mic. I want it to record from the sounds playing on my PC.[/QUOTE]
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Fucking Noveria, I got killed by benezia then got sent back to hanshan in quiin's office!
[QUOTE=jackattack;29237016]Fucking Noveria, I got killed by benezia then got sent back to hanshan in quiin's office![/QUOTE]
*cough* save game *cough*
I wonder if dere's gonna be an option where I can go like "Fuck dis shit make me a reapah."
[QUOTE=sltungle;29236935]Well it's kind of a slippery moral slope if it is their reasoning. Technically in the end I guess they're letting more lives exist in the first place, but, in the end, they're still killing them anyway, so... it's kind of a morally grey area.
If that's their reasoning and it's revealed in ME3 and we have the option to submit to them (maybe even willingly join with them and not have to go through the whole horrible liquification process either): I'm still fighting them to the very end. There's always another way, and I'm sure given the time we could find a way to get around the dark energy problem. And if not? So be it. We tried. We failed. Whatever. At least we didn't become monsters in the process, though. We stuck to the principles we set ourself, we never faltered and we refused to compromise them. We stuck by our moral and ethical guidelines to the end.
Whatever the Reapers reasoning is: I'm ending them.[/QUOTE]
There won't be an option to submit to them. As I've said a million times before, the ME series is not KOTOR. The storyline follows a path and Shepard is the same person at the core regardless of how renegade/paragon you are. No matter what choices you make, Shepard kills Saren and stops Sovereign. No matter what choices you make, Shepard attempts to stop the Collectors. Yes, you can fail, but his motives never change. In ME3, Shepard will be trying to stop the Reapers and will either succeed or fail, there won't be any third option "join the dark side" style choices, that's not the style of Mass Effect.
Reapers use perfectly sound reasoning. They are computers, completely devoid of morals. Their goal is to ensure their survival. They harvest organic species, find the strongest ones, then use their genetics to make more Reapers since they can't reproduce on their own. Rinse, dry, repeat. It's only morally wrong in the eyes of us because we're the ones being exterminated. What if the only way for us to reproduce was to harvest a lot of single celled organisms and somehow turn them into a fetus? Would that be morally wrong?
We are like bacteria to Reapers. Insignificant. To the Reapers, exterminating organics is like someone taking antibiotics to exterminate millions of bacteria.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29237129]There won't be an option to submit to them. As I've said a million times before, the ME series is not KOTOR. The storyline follows a path and Shepard is the same person at the core regardless of how renegade/paragon you are. No matter what choices you make, Shepard kills Saren and stops Sovereign. No matter what choices you make, Shepard attempts to stop the Collectors. Yes, you can fail, but his motives never change. In ME3, Shepard will be trying to stop the Reapers and will either succeed or fail, there won't be any third option "join the dark side" style choices, that's not the style of Mass Effect.
Reapers use perfectly sound reasoning. They are computers, completely devoid of morals. Their goal is to ensure their survival. They harvest organic species, find the strongest ones, then use their genetics to make more Reapers since they can't reproduce on their own. Rinse, dry, repeat. It's only morally wrong in the eyes of us because we're the ones being exterminated. What if the only way for us to reproduce was to harvest a lot of single celled organisms and somehow turn them into a fetus? Would that be morally wrong?
We are like bacteria to Reapers. Insignificant. To the Reapers, exterminating organics is like someone taking antibiotics to exterminate millions of bacteria.[/QUOTE]
In ME1 and 2, the story obviously had to lead to the next game, but seeing as this is the last game in the series, we might get to make bigger choices, with larger differences in endings.
Just because they can change it so you can do whatever doesn't mean they will. Even if running on the Paragon/Renegade scale, there is no option to submit to the Reapers. A Paragon would save everyone and be all happy while a Renegade would just kill everything and say fuck you to the Reapers. It is character breaking to give players the option to do so.
Um, what.
Paragon would find a way to save as many people as possible through diplomacy and being nice.
Renegade would find a way to save as many people as possible through tactical sacrifices.
Shepard is always the good guy set out to save as many people as possible regardless of which path you take. His goals do not change, just his means of achieving those goals.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29237187]Just because they can change it so you can do whatever doesn't mean they will. Even if running on the Paragon/Renegade scale, there is no option to submit to the Reapers. A Paragon would save everyone and be all happy while a Renegade would just kill everything and say fuck you to the Reapers. It is character breaking to give players the option to do so.[/QUOTE]
People (real people as well as characters in fictional media) make decisions seemingly completely out of character when they come across some kind of eye-opening revelation. It's not too much to imagine that Shepard could submit to the Reapers. Hell, maybe not intentionally. Maybe the Reapers are slowly indoctrinating Shepard throughout the game and if you didn't make the right decisions/have high enough paragon/renegade points you can't fight the indoctrination and end up indoctrinated by them.
[QUOTE=***zer0***;29235697]Am i the only one who is sort of scared how Mass Effect 3 will turn out after Dragon Age 2?[/QUOTE]
EA up BW's butt, yes, it's produced nothing but crap. Was EA up BW's butt before ME3 was announced? I'm quite sure they were. Though it's a different team and a different design paradigm, EA's idiocy is found in a couple of decisions already to "condense"... but it's not like you can get around it. EA isn't going to stop fucking with their devs, BW has had a game plan for a long while. Are we going to lose content and have other things commodotized? Yeah, we are. But if we don't know about it we won't miss it. That's the price of doing things the EA way. If BW had known their track record up to know they might not have sold, but then again it's pretty clear the Brothers Doctor were also hella tired of running the logistics side of things.
Edit: Seeing as I'm contact with a couple folks on the team, Phaedon; I'll keep my opinion thanks. When you've got a couple games under you belt you can get back to me.
[QUOTE=27X;29237499]EA up BW's butt, yes, it's produced nothing but crap. Was EA up BW's butt before ME3 was announced? I'm quite sure they were. Though it's a different team and a different design paradigm, EA's idiocy is found in a couple of decisions already to "condense things"... but it's not like you can get around it. EA isn't going to stop fucking with their devs, BW has had a game plan for a long while. Are we going to lose content and have other things commodotized? Yeah, we are. But if we don't know about it we won't miss it. That's the price of doing things the EA way. If BW had known their track record up to know they might not have sold, but then again it's pretty clear the Brothers Doctor were also hella tired of running the logistics side of things.[/QUOTE]
EA's been doing a better job recently. I doubt they're back to their old micromanaging ways and forcing changes onto games being produced by them. Especially in the case of BioWare. I think they realise BioWare know what they're doing (ESPECIALLY with the Mass Effect IP) and are gonna leave them to do their thing.
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[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29237129]There won't be an option to submit to them. As I've said a million times before, the ME series is not KOTOR. The storyline follows a path and Shepard is the same person at the core regardless of how renegade/paragon you are. No matter what choices you make, Shepard kills Saren and stops Sovereign. No matter what choices you make, Shepard attempts to stop the Collectors. Yes, you can fail, but his motives never change. In ME3, Shepard will be trying to stop the Reapers and will either succeed or fail, there won't be any third option "join the dark side" style choices, that's not the style of Mass Effect.
Reapers use perfectly sound reasoning. They are computers, completely devoid of morals. Their goal is to ensure their survival. They harvest organic species, find the strongest ones, then use their genetics to make more Reapers since they can't reproduce on their own. Rinse, dry, repeat. It's only morally wrong in the eyes of us because we're the ones being exterminated. What if the only way for us to reproduce was to harvest a lot of single celled organisms and somehow turn them into a fetus? Would that be morally wrong?
We are like bacteria to Reapers. Insignificant. To the Reapers, exterminating organics is like someone taking antibiotics to exterminate millions of bacteria.[/QUOTE]
You keep talking as if you are the authority on Mass Effect and as if what you say is fact. You are not.
Truth is, we don't know what the Reapers goals are. We have had hints at their goals, but nothing has been outright confirmed. To be honest, I think it's gonna be a little bit bigger than JUST reproduction (although obviously they WILL facilitate reproduction if they have the chance. Why wouldn't you try to strengthen your numbers? Having an extra Reaper during each and every cycle would make things slightly easier). I mean, come on, as if the hints that dark energy causes premature ageing of stars WASN'T foreshadowing (especially given that mass effect technology works by manipulating dark energy).
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;29235879]DA2 was made by Bioware in Edmonton, ME3 is made by Bioware in Montreal. The two teams are completely seperate. They're almost 3,000KM apart.[/QUOTE]
Which reminds me that one of my friends is friends with a bioware employee.
Jesus this thread is slow tonight.
Gurkha squadmate? Rushing collectors with a kukri erryday
[QUOTE=Anton1k;29231828]Heh, the thing is I'm playing off my old saves from last year. I saved them when I reformatted a while ago. I didn't even remember that I picked a class, where can I see which class I am?
I started off now right after I became a Spectre, so far I've saved that Liara girl and I'm currently on this snowy planet where I'm driving around in my car, the one where theres a lot of corporations or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Well I haven't played ME1 in a while, and my xbox is kaput so I can't check. But if you go onto the squad screen, if it doesn't say which class you are, it should list your skills and that would show what class you are.
Do you have stuff like decryption/hacking, biotics, or just weapons skills?
Do you have Shotgun skill?
[QUOTE=sltungle;29237216][B]People (real people as well as characters in fictional media) make decisions seemingly completely out of character when they come across some kind of eye-opening revelation. [/B]It's not too much to imagine that Shepard could submit to the Reapers. Hell, maybe not intentionally. Maybe the Reapers are slowly indoctrinating Shepard throughout the game and if you didn't make the right decisions/have high enough paragon/renegade points you can't fight the indoctrination and end up indoctrinated by them.[/QUOTE]
Example: How TIM is trying to kill you in ME3. That is completely out of character for a man that, at the very least, coldly respects Shepard and would much rather deal with him after the Reaper threat.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29240372]Example: How TIM is trying to kill you in ME3. That is completely out of character for a man that, at the very least, coldly respects Shepard and would much rather deal with him after the Reaper threat.[/QUOTE]
Well out of character for now. We don't know the exact circumstances surrounding TIM's attempted murder of Shepard.
Hence why I said 'seemingly out of character'. It normally makes sense when you find out the whole story.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29240372]Example: How TIM is trying to kill you in ME3. That is completely out of character for a man that, at the very least, coldly respects Shepard and would much rather deal with him after the Reaper threat.[/QUOTE]
Evolution hints as to why TIM suddenly wants to kill Shepard.
Considering that it's kept secret from Bioware, I don't think that the explanation that they'll give is stupid.
[QUOTE=phaedon;29240634]Evolution hints as to why TIM suddenly wants to kill Shepard.
Considering that it's kept secret from Bioware, I don't think that the explanation that they'll give is stupid.[/QUOTE]
Isn't Evolution set PRIOR to the events of the main ME trilogy?
What if you gave him the base? Would it be the alliance trying to kill you?
ok so since my xbox is broke, my mates are now trying to get me to buy a PS3, so I can play COD and other such fun games online with them.
If I were to get ME2 on the PS3, would I be missing out on a lot without the ME1 save? I know there's the little comic at the beginning, but that covers major plot points. Am I still gonna get characters like Conrad Verner, the undercover cop on illium, and random characters I decided to not kill?
I've finally finished Metro 2033 (the book) so now I'm thinking I might move on to Retribution. Anyone else read it? Got anything to say about it?
[QUOTE=sltungle;29240481]Well out of character for now. We don't know the exact circumstances surrounding TIM's attempted murder of Shepard.
Hence why I said 'seemingly out of character'. It normally makes sense when you find out the whole story.[/QUOTE]
Part of me thinks that Shepard's Reaper implants will play into this, didn't [sp]Paul Grayson[/sp] get the same amount of implants and became a [sp]Reaper thrall[/sp] because of it?
[QUOTE=sltungle;29240924]Isn't Evolution set PRIOR to the events of the main ME trilogy?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it is.
Although that complicates matters it may still a connection to the reason that he is after Shepard. You can read a description of the story in the Mass Effect wiki.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29241250]I've finally finished Metro 2033 (the book) so now I'm thinking I might move on to Retribution. Anyone else read it? Got anything to say about it?[/QUOTE]
It's interesting, and it ties in with the previous book.
It may make you see Cerberus from another viewpoint, and the motives of the Reapers are further analyzed towards the end.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29241373]Part of me thinks that Shepard's Reaper implants will play into this, didn't [sp]Paul Grayson[/sp] get the same amount of implants and became a [sp]Reaper thrall[/sp] because of it?[/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah but wasn't Paul Grayson also a Red Sand addict?[/sp] Shepard's got a fucking strong personality. Hell, it's probably even stronger after having received the data on the Prothean beacon, gaining the cipher, learning what the Reapers are, and having gone through death and resurrection. I'd imagine Shepard would be fucking hard to indoctrinate.
I was thinking maybe TIM's exposure to Reaper tech may actually be the reason he's after Shepard. Not the other way around.
[QUOTE=sltungle;29241604]Yeah but wasn't Paul Grayson also a Red Sand addict? Shepard's got a fucking strong personality. Hell, it's probably even stronger after having received the data on the Prothean beacon, gaining the cipher, learning what the Reapers are, and having gone through death and resurrection. I'd imagine Shepard would be fucking hard to indoctrinate.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think there was some theories that the Prothean beacons and the cipher basically made Shepard resistant to indoctrination. Grayson was also pretty resistant, but as you said, he was addicted to Red Sand.
[QUOTE=sltungle;29241604]Yeah but wasn't Paul Grayson also a Red Sand addict? Shepard's got a fucking strong personality. Hell, it's probably even stronger after having received the data on the Prothean beacon, gaining the cipher, learning what the Reapers are, and having gone through death and resurrection. I'd imagine Shepard would be fucking hard to indoctrinate.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily indoctrinate, maybe it will just play into how he's able to beat the Reapers (would be a cop-out, not really looking forward to it if it involves the implants.)
Also, would you say Shepard's magnetic personality during the events of ME2 is due to his strong will, a mild indoctrination effect caused by his implants, or both?
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