S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Series Megathread: If nobody will make it I will
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The fact that people can't do without a minimap or crosshair is stupid.
[QUOTE=Thorny;24486235]You totally don't get the [I]point[/I] of Redux.[/QUOTE]
Haven't had a go a it yet but I can only agree, specific mod choices should be accepted and players focus should be on the big picture.
I'm all fine with the absence of stashes, that sure wasn't realistic for the most part (there where some really hard ones to find that were pretty sweet to discover by urself but all those under trees and obivous holes or cracks where honnestly dum), maybe add some new near impossible ones would be appreciated. Not to sure what to think of the lack of achievements, I loved that new feeling of actually impacting the world by our presence, I can only invite you to reconsider even if I haven't tried the mod yet (dam, can't wait!)
In fact Melnek you only mentioned three things that you have a problem with, the lack of easy-mode HUD, no crosshair and poor-condition weapons.
The first two I'm not even going to go into, they're just exactly what Redux is against.
The poor condition weapons make sense. Do you really think every weapon in the Zone is in pristine condition? Hell no.
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[QUOTE=Spetsnazer;24486395]Haven't had a go a it yet but I can only agree, specific mod choices should be accepted and players focus should be on the big picture.
I'm all fine with the absence of stashes, that sure wasn't realistic for the most part (there where some really hard ones to find that were pretty sweet to discover by urself but all those under trees and obivous holes or cracks where honnestly dum), maybe add some new near impossible ones would be appreciated. Not to sure what to think of the lack of achievements, I loved that new feeling of actually impacting the world by our presence, I can only invite you to reconsider even if I haven't tried the mod yet (dam, can't wait!)[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
Achievements aren't gone, by the way. The only changes are that you no longer get medical supplies poured into your stash after finishing the Tremor missions, and you don't get ammo poured in after finishing the Trapper hunting missions.
[QUOTE=Thorny;24486407]The poor condition weapons make sense. Do you really think every weapon in the Zone is in pristine condition? Hell no.[/QUOTE]
I'd expect that somebody would have at least a 50-90% condition weapons if they just left a safe area or are in their own base(like the checkpoint or Pripyat bookstore or the Waste Processing factory), while those that are on a raid or in a small encampment should have at least 30-70% condition. The guns that are rotting for some time should have a 0-30% condition.
[QUOTE=Thorny;24486407]
The first two I'm not even going to go into, they're just exactly what Redux is against.
The poor condition weapons make sense. Do you really think every weapon in the Zone is in pristine condition? Hell no.[/QUOTE]
Do you think traders wont accept weapons with a couple of scratches on them? The only choice left is to collect artifacts and you nerf'd them as well. Redux is not really a hard mod, it's just frustrating to an unenjoyable level where I dont even feel like overcoming an obstacle but prefer to just forget about it. Saying things like "DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT" is basically a douchebag-ish move that ignores every single bit of criticism.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24486449]Do you think traders wont accept weapons with a couple of scratches on them? The only choice left is to collect artifacts and you nerf'd them as well. Redux is not really a hard mod, it's just frustrating to an unenjoyable level where I dont even feel like overcoming an obstacle but prefer to just forget about it. Saying things like "DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT" is basically a douchebag-ish move that ignores every single bit of criticism.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that a weapon with 50% condition is damaged with more than 'a couple of scratches'.
I've rebutted every piece of criticism you've given me so far, far from ignoring any. It's you that can't play without a crosshair or minimap, remember.
[QUOTE=Thorny;24486461]I'm pretty sure that a weapon with 50% condition is damaged with more than 'a couple of scratches'.
I've rebutted every piece of criticism you've given me so far, far from ignoring any. It's you that can't play without a crosshair or minimap, remember.[/QUOTE]
Lack of crosshair and minimap were far from my main issues with the mod.
Plus, why can the player keep a perfectly good above 80% condition weapon at all times but the NPC's cant? that certainly isn't realistic. I'd expect stalkers to take perfect care of their weaponry since that's the main thing protecting them against huge amounts of threats all around the zone.
Then please, tell me what the main issues were. Don't accuse me of ignoring criticism when you don't even give it to me :downs:
Unrealistic economy system and unrealistic weapon conditioning. And "unrealistic" should be a pretty big issue if your mod is all about the damn realism.
Melnek is actually right, not maintaining your equipment your equipment in the Zone is like a death wish. besides, if you don't repair your stuff, you don't deserve it.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24486521]Unrealistic economy system and unrealistic weapon conditioning. And "unrealistic" should be a pretty big issue if your mod is all about the damn realism.[/QUOTE]
:frogdowns:
Call me a fan boy but I'm with Thorny here, it's his (his team's) mod. Don't like it, don't play it, but don't come in here shitting everything up. I don't want to see another LURK-style flame-war. Oh, I loved LURK as well btw, although that is unrelated.
Just tried the mod out for an hour, and I'm loving it. It [I]feels[/I] like I'm in the Zone. No minimap, no crosshair, constantly wondering whether that guy on the horizon is a friend or foe, struggling for supplies. I couldn't care less about the achievements crap because the mod is good enough as it is. Really glad the first patch is out for that crash.
[QUOTE=gnoob;24486737]Call me a fan boy but I'm with Thorny here, it's his (his team's) mod. Don't like it, don't play it, but don't come in here shitting everything up. I don't want to see another LURK-style flame-war. Oh, I loved LURK as well btw, although that is unrelated.
Just tried the mod out for an hour, and I'm loving it. It [I]feels[/I] like I'm in the Zone. No minimap, no crosshair, constantly wondering whether that guy on the horizon is a friend or foe, struggling for supplies. I couldn't care less about the achievements crap because the mod is good enough as it is. Really glad the first patch is out for that crash.[/QUOTE]
See now this is a real Stalker :ussr:
Also it's actually just me, no team :)
Silent Hill atmosphere is spooky.
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Redux is tough stuff.
Watch out for that pseudodog :ohdear:
His eyes are still glowing :ohdear:
I meant the one rapidly approaching from within the fog :3:
:froggonk: Oh snap , I didn't notice that
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BTW so far Redux full is great
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:coolfish:
[QUOTE=gnoob;24486737]Call me a fan boy but I'm with Thorny here, it's his (his team's) mod. Don't like it, don't play it, but don't come in here shitting everything up. I don't want to see another LURK-style flame-war. Oh, I loved LURK as well btw, although that is unrelated.
Just tried the mod out for an hour, and I'm loving it. It [I]feels[/I] like I'm in the Zone. No minimap, no crosshair, constantly wondering whether that guy on the horizon is a friend or foe, struggling for supplies. I couldn't care less about the achievements crap because the mod is good enough as it is. Really glad the first patch is out for that crash.[/QUOTE]
What people fail to see is that I'm in no way against Thorny or his great mod. It's just that if he wants to further expand his fanbase then he should appeal to them a little more. It's not like I'm the only one who has an opinion that goes slightly against it.
Also since when is a decent discussion called "shitting everything up"?
[QUOTE=Melnek;24487089]What people fail to see is that I'm in no way against Thorny or his great mod. It's just that if he wants to further expand his fanbase then he should appeal to them a little more. It's not like I'm the only one who has an opinion that goes slightly against it.
Also since when is a decent discussion called "shitting everything up"?[/QUOTE]
Redux is a pretty niche mod for a very niche game, so it's obviously not going to be to everybody's liking. That's fine, everyone has a right to a choice.
That said, I'm not going to go against what the mod stands for to appeal to a few more people. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24487089]Also since when is a decent discussion called "shitting everything up"?[/QUOTE]
Sorry I kinda suck at getting my message across occasionally, I was (wrongly) anticipating a bit of fighting in here, ala Leon vs Holden a couple threads ago. My bad
We're all bros here bro :ussr:
[QUOTE=Thorny;24486684]:frogdowns:[/QUOTE]
Sure can see you not ignoring criticism there
I already answered it, but good job bringing the topic back up after we'd finished.
I didn't see a clear end to the argument.
That aside, it's a cool mod, I'll probably chop up the parts I like and try to integrate them with my current collection.
As long as you don't make it public, sure, go for it.
Of course I won't make it public :geno:
It's just a folder in which I have ten thousand minimods and I'm currently working on dissecting SGM.
Tonight, on SGM
Crab ascends to Heaven
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Dawn gets an RPG and helmet
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2 dogs get their head stuck in a door
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and a young couple of pseudogiants learn what buckshot is.
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