I don't know, while I think that there's an increasing amount of games with random uses of swears, it happens in real life too. Like when I went to buy textbooks, I heard two girls talking next to me. They used fuck like 5 times in 30 seconds to describe the books. Like I just don't get how its become such a part of life when its so unneeded in most situations.
[QUOTE=markfu;29190918]I don't know, while I think that there's an increasing amount of games with random uses of swears, it happens in real life too. Like when I went to buy textbooks, I heard two girls talking next to me. They used fuck like 5 times in 30 seconds to describe the books. Like I just don't get how its become such a part of life when its so unneeded in most situations.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather hear "Fuck" than "Like"
Because swearing is cool. :frogc00l:
As long as it fits with the character/setting I'm fine with it.
Strange how Half Life 2 was M-Rated and had awesome action and an "adult" story but didn't resort to F bombs... will Half Life 3 be different? Interesting trend either way..
[QUOTE=digitalforce;29191246]Strange how Half Life 2 was M-Rated and had awesome action and an "adult" story but didn't resort to F bombs... will Half Life 3 be different? Interesting trend either way..[/QUOTE]
Combine snipers sometimes yell "Shit!" if you throw grenades at them.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;29190864]Besides, once you see this, you know bulletstorm isn't meant to be serious.
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I don't know whether to laugh at the dialog or the remote control dinosaur.
[QUOTE=digitalforce;29191246]Strange how Half Life 2 was M-Rated and had awesome action and an "adult" story but didn't resort to F bombs... will Half Life 3 be different? Interesting trend either way..[/QUOTE]
Getting an M rating has nothing to do with it having swearing or not. I don't think I've played a single game were the language was the reason alone that a game got an M-rating.
The story in HL2 wouldn't have been better or worse if it had FUCK thrown into its dialog, as long as it made sense. Whenever a character casually swears or swears under stress can tell a lot about the character.
No swearing were swearing actually would have made sense can feel equally forced as swearing were it doesn't make sense. For example: A person is probably not going to say "gosh darn" it when someone gets shot in the head next to them, just as much as a kid wouldn't swear every other sentence during a casual conversation.
People are horny. Want to fuck all the time
As long as it's not like Bulletstorm, I don't have a problem with it in games.
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It's just words.
The scene in Black Ops where [sp]the guy who was going to clear up all the questions everyone had gets his head shot off[/sp] wouldn't have been the same without Weaver going, "[I][B]FUCK[/B][/I], let's go."
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;29191655]The scene in Black Ops where [sp]the guy who was going to clear up all the questions everyone had gets his head shot off[/sp] wouldn't have been the same without Weaver going, "[I][B]FUCK[/B][/I], let's go."[/QUOTE]
So.. in that mindset, no narrative is impactful or meaningful if they don't drop the f bomb?
Same with Half Life 2.. why didn't they include a ton of f bombs? Would it made it more dramatic or emotional?
Well having guys say 'Oh Fudgecicles' after a close call isn't realistic at all in a game like, Battlefield...
Example: This is slightly graphic. US Army shoot point blank 2 Taliban guys on a motorcycle just after they roll up on them, luckily (And unluckily) the guy on the bike forgot to chamber a round
[quote]You see that fucking motherfucker pull up on me? You see that dude draw down on me?[/quote]
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People in that type of situation swear. Plain and simple. If you want to capture that type of feeling in a movie, or a game, you can't soften it or you completely lose the tone
Swearing in games like Bulletstorm, done to excess like it is, is for comedic purposes, and works. They're just words, who decided they're BAAAAD to say and hear?
Only time I remember characters swearing in HL2 was when [sp]Alyx called Mossman a bitch after seeing her conversation with Breen.[/sp] I'm not sure about this one.
[QUOTE=digitalforce;29191707]So.. in that mindset, no narrative is impactful or meaningful if they don't drop the f bomb?
Same with Half Life 2.. why didn't they include a ton of f bombs? Would it made it more dramatic or emotional?[/QUOTE]
Good point. That game didn't even have language on the rating, but the game still had some swears. I guess it's only put on the rating if it's excessive.
If I hear "they are just words" reasoning one more time.. I am gonna commit societal suicide.
"Your mom is a dirty skank" -- They are just words right?
The term "profanity" comes from "profane".. if the term profane means nothing to anyone, that's quite a statement.
I have nothing against cussing. I'm shooting people in the face why would I care about some profanities?
Characters swearing in every sentence though, e.g Kane and Lynch, is not okay- terrible writing in other words.
We aren't talking about personal insults, we're talking foul language. The word Skank isn't the same as 'Your mom is a skank'
Also,
Your mom is a fucking whore
Your mom sleeps around with lots of men
They mean the same thing really, foul language or not, so why is one worse than the other? And if it isn't, then case closed. Also, one is a lot shorter than the other, making swearing practical!
[QUOTE=kevlar jens;29192081]I have nothing against cussing. I'm shooting people in the face why would I care about some profanities?
Characters swearing in every sentence though, e.g Kane and Lynch, is not okay- terrible writing in other words.[/QUOTE]
THIS^^^^
I am using the example of "just words" because words is all we have. If we have to resort to pure profanity to express emotion and impact in games, I'm depressed.
I am not telling people how to think or that I don't think that people in "the real word" don't swear but look at gaming in just the past 5 years. There a LOT more profanity.. is it making for better or more emotional impactful games?
Games that are rated T or higher should not have a swearing law or rule. It's rated for mature people, for fuck sakes. It's like having a server on a fps game for "kids".
"I can kill people with extreme gore, hearing my enemies scream BUT i cannot swear since that's bad!"
Which goes further into the same discussion but on a different topic. If I am playing a Battlefield game, do I need to see entrails and brains fly out, or is a simple blood spray sufficient? So what I am getting at here?
With the current trend, it won't be long before I am shooting an enemy in Battlefield and I am saying F**** YOU! at every trigger pull and brains and eyes are being splattered on the pavement. Does this make it a better game?
Dead Space 2, Bulletstorm and Killzone 3. Nuff said.
Terrible dialogue writing to be honest, even in the case of Bulletstorm.
Swearing adds an immersive experience. Sometimes an f bomb fits better than some of the alternatives they throw out.
[QUOTE=digitalforce;29193061]Which goes further into the same discussion but on a different topic. If I am playing a Battlefield game, do I need to see entrails and brains fly out, or is a simple blood spray sufficient? So what I am getting at here?
With the current trend, it won't be long before I am shooting an enemy in Battlefield and I am saying F**** YOU! at every trigger pull and brains and eyes are being splattered on the pavement. Does this make it a better game?[/QUOTE]
There is nothing as excessive swearing or excessive gore. It either fits or it doesn't. If blood and gore coupled with lots of swearing is what happens in real war, then a game that tries to provide an authentic war experience will have lots of blood, gore and swearing.
A game based around some sort of 19th century murder mystery and the devs went for something that reflects the time period it probably won't have lots of swearing or blood.
It's the same with movies. War movies will often have a lot of blood, gore and swearing as that is how is. Action movies don't focus on the horrors of war therefore don't need lots of blood or gore as it would pull the focus of the audience away from the action.
Swearing and gore can make a game worse, and it can make a game better it just depends if you think it fits or not.
Good points clanratc.
It makes me wonder how far we'll go to make a game more "immersive" -- Vietnam anyone? :O
I think one big case for me is Battlefield 1942. Was there gore in Word War II? Yes. Was there a lot of profanity amongst soliders? Yes. Would including a lot of gore, dismemberment and f bombs make Battlefield 1942 a much better and immersive game? I really don't think so but that is just my opinion.
Depends entirely on the story.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;29190967]I'd rather hear "Fuck" than "Like"[/QUOTE]
I heard both
[QUOTE=Chekko;29192756]Games that are rated T or higher should not have a swearing law or rule. It's rated for mature people, for fuck sakes.[/QUOTE]
Having characters constantly curse at the drop of a hat isn't very mature. I can accept some cursing when it's needed, *Something explodes suddenly* OH SHIT! or something like that. When it's hurr shit fuck cunt balls all the time, it just sounds stupid and makes me think the writers were trying to appeal to kiddies or retarded fratboys.
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