[QUOTE=Riutet;28808066]Typical "I can't argue against what he just said so I'll attack his character that'll get me winners."
[editline]25th March 2011[/editline]
I don't understand, I've not once implied nor said that any of my suspicions are 100 percent correct and that's how the game is going to be all the way through, I'm merely suggesting the possibility that it may be. In fact I've had to re-iterate this multiple times in this very thread because people just keep jumping to conclusions about what I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
people have jumped to conclusions about what you're saying because you continue to post in this thread (and others, is there no end to your shitness) with pieces of media, always accompanied by a snarky comment about how shit the game's going to be
I think that we're perfectly within our rights to complain about your character, since from my experience of your posts you seem like a massive dickhead who can't take no for an answer, also since caring about ratings is apparently acceptable now, here's another one for the collection tin:
[h2]die in a fire[/h2]
[url]http://vividgamer.com/2011/03/25/highlighting-feature-in-human-revolution-could-be-optional/[/url]
Wow, developers that actually give one fuck about their customers? I may pre-order it for that alone.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;28810636][url]http://vividgamer.com/2011/03/25/highlighting-feature-in-human-revolution-could-be-optional/[/url]
Wow, developers that actually give one fuck about their customers? I may pre-order it for that alone.[/QUOTE]
I just can't see riutet bitching about this not being true
and i've never been happier that i can't see something
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;28810187]people have jumped to conclusions about what you're saying because you continue to post in this thread (and others, is there no end to your shitness) with pieces of media, always accompanied by a snarky comment about how shit the game's going to be[/quote]
The short snarky comments I make accompanying news pieces are over exaggerated so it's obvious I'm not serious about them. :v:
[quote]I think that we're perfectly within our rights to complain about your character, since from my experience of your posts you seem like a massive dickhead who can't take no for an answer, also since caring about ratings is apparently acceptable now, here's another one for the collection tin:
[h2]die in a fire[/h2][/QUOTE]
So disagreeing with you makes me a dickhead huh, well frankly sir I think I'd rather be a dickhead than wrong.
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28811922]I just can't see riutet bitching about this not being true
and i've never been happier that i can't see something[/QUOTE]
Actually I was going to post that yesterday but I couldn't think of a sufficiently snarky comment, it's nice that they're listening to the forums finally, especially in wake of the whole Bioware fiasco, I just hope it's not too little too late.
I kinda wish they'd consulted the forums much earlier, like before they'd even started the game, because their pillars of Deus Ex are all wrong, though whether that will reflect in the final product is yet to be seen.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;28810636][url]http://vividgamer.com/2011/03/25/highlighting-feature-in-human-revolution-could-be-optional/[/url]
Wow, developers that actually give one fuck about their customers? I may pre-order it for that alone.[/QUOTE]
Wow almost all the comments in that story is just people bitching.
I just remembered, Thi4f still exists and Thief is one if not my most favourite series of two games and one console spin off that wasn't that good except for one level.
:(
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lucinice;28816485]Wow almost all the comments in that story is just people bitching.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Eidos Montreal aren’t receptive to feedback at all. Fans have been giving feedback on their forums for over three years now, and up until this, every single issue, without exception, has been ignored. Every. Single. One. The fact that they’ve not banned someone for starting a thread highlighting (no pun intended) the issue does not, by any means, make them a shining example of fan interaction: they’re bloody terrible.
Also, the thread’s not stickied (at time of writing, at least: there’s an overzealous mod who’ll probably sticky it if they see this article) it’s just at the top of the non-stickied threads because people keep posting in it.[/quote]
It ain't bitching if they're making a valid criticism.
The thing is, the fans on the DX forums make tons of shitty recommendations, like removing the take-down system, third-person elements, etc.
They seriously expected them to remove features they've been showing off since the game was announced?
[QUOTE=redBadger;28816651]shitty recommendations[/quote]
[quote]removing the take-down system, third-person elements, etc.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it customary to provide some shitty recommendations to backup your claim? Those are all very legitimate.
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lucinice;28816696]They seriously expected them to remove features they've been showing off since the game was announced?[/QUOTE]
I believe those features were being complained about ever since they very first announced the game, can't expect them to complain about them before knowing about them can we? Takedowns in a game like Deus Ex though? Thirdperson camera needlessly abused in a first person game? I doubt anyone thought Eidos would be dumb enough to add those features into a game like Deus Ex, now that we know better we can more efficiently complain about Thief 4.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28816699]Isn't it customary to provide some shitty recommendations to backup your claim? Those are all very legitimate.
[/QUOTE]
look I don't want to insult your intelligence but you are a massive retard
I just watched the 8 minute long commented gameplay.
Suddenly I have yet another game to buy this year... :sigh:
European release is same day as my birthday
neat
Third Person and Take-down system work hand in hand with all the other gameplay elements and level design so they're balanced. The way people talk about it and scrutinize it, its like they've just thrown them in without any care which is obviously not the case.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;28817198]look I don't want to insult your intelligence but you are a massive retard[/QUOTE]
Don't flame me bro.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28808066]I don't understand, I've not once implied nor said that any of my suspicions are 100 percent correct[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Riutet;28816128]I'd rather be a dickhead than wrong.[/QUOTE]
:effort:
[QUOTE=spekter;28817298]Third Person and Take-down system work hand in hand with all the other gameplay elements and level design so they're balanced. The way people talk about it and scrutinize it, its like they've just thrown them in without any care which is obviously not the case.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they've put a lot of love and care into making the third person view and the takedown system work, but one just has to ask why they would even bother adding third person and a takedown system when they only create more problems that need to be accommodated for with consistency breaking mechanics and skewed level design.
Why did they remove an entire specialisation and replace it with a takedown system? It worked great in Deus Ex and meant every encounter didn't end the same way.
Why do you need to go into third person for a takedown? First person takedowns work just as well and don't need a jarring transition to function.
Why do you need to enter third person on a ladder? From what I've seen you actually get less situational awareness than you would if you were in first. I don't know whether you're locked down to the ladders while climbing either, I hope not as that'll suck ass, I wonder how they'd handle the transition from jumping off a ladder in third person and going back into first.
Why are you invincible or nigh-invincible during a takedown? This one is clear, it'd be a cheap death if you landed the takedown only to get discovered before the 3 second animation had played out with nothing you can do about it.
Just, why has melee combat been reduced to a single button to end a fight? Melee combat in Deus Ex forced you to use stealth to get behind an enemy if you wanted to take him without a stun rod, a stun rod gave you ability to deal with enemies without having many points in low-tech but was a fairly limited resource so either you specialised or you learned to manage your stock and pick your fights. Most importantly though it was possible to screw up a melee attack, and be forced to fight an enemy who now was aware of your presence, and as a result the possible outcome of each fight became more varied.
For me, third person breaks my immersion, reminds me I'm playing a game and that I'm not performing the actions that are happening in the game, that my character is. It's a significant disconnect. Some people may like it, but I'd rather there was an option to disable it entirely, the most they could do is add in a first person cover system, the least they could do is let you disable the cover system entirely from the options and let you take cover yourself like they said was a viable option too in multiple videos. I'm not sure whether it requires a button to activate it or you just go into cover by walking against a surface firmly, if it's a button then cool I'll just unbind it.
However as for your initial statement:
[quote]Third Person and Take-down system work hand in hand with all the other gameplay elements and level design so they're balanced.[/quote]
Whether that is true or not, we will know in time, but I do not see why you feel qualified to make this unconfirmed statement yet find issue with me making unconfirmed predictions that I do not claim to be truth. I do not mean to take another jab at Bethesda as I already have a lot (never gets old), but just because it's a professional studio, doesn't mean the final product will be of immaculate design, Oblivion being a prime example of a game with many many elements that all don't really work at all, nevermind together.
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;28817640]:effort:[/QUOTE]
[quote]you seem like a massive dickhead who can't take no for an answer[/quote]
"No" implies that they are certain I am incorrect, which is a position of certainty, which is wrong. Therefore I am valid in what I have said and it does not contradict what I have previously said.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28818050]"No" implies that they are certain I am incorrect, which is a position of certainty, which is wrong. Therefore I am valid in what I have said and it does not contradict what I have previously said.[/QUOTE]
Except it does.
"(than) wrong" implies a position of certainty, that you're completely right, directly contradicting your statement that you've never flatout stated you're correct.
None of the other posters in this thread have done so. While our affirmations of our correctness may not be legitimate, we are at least not hypocrites by claiming otherwise.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;28818462]Except it does.
"(than) wrong" implies a position of certainty, that you're completely right, directly contradicting your statement that you've never flatout stated you're correct.[/quote]
Except it doesn't, "than wrong" implies that your position of certainty is fallacious, but does not also implicate that my position is correct.
Example: "I think this baby might be a boy." "Yeah well, it's not gonna be." "How can you know that for certain? You're wrong in saying that."
[quote]None of the other posters in this thread have done so. While our affirmations of our correctness may not be legitimate, we are at least not hypocrites by claiming otherwise.[/quote]
Neither hypocrisy nor unfounded certainty is a position to be proud of.
I think that if we stop feeding the troll, it will eventually go away.
Or better yet:
[img]http://gyazo.com/3a2f89007d65e655dfce94f07e21099a.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Riutet;28818862]Except it doesn't, "than wrong" implies that your position of certainty is fallacious, but does not also implicate that my position is correct.[/QUOTE]
[h2]Shut up.[/h2]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXxB_FxLbQ[/media]
Relevant to what's going on in this thread.
[QUOTE=Dr Bob;28819003][h2]Shut up.[/h2][/QUOTE]
I don't know why you're getting mad at me, Generic.Monk started it. :v:
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pixelnator;28819057][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXxB_FxLbQ[/media]
Relevant to what's going on in this thread.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go so far as to call Monk a troll, I've seen a couple of his posts in various threads and he is abrasive sure, but I doubt he's doing it on purpose.
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=redBadger;28818876]I think that if we stop feeding the troll, it will eventually go away.
Or better yet:
[img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/3a2f89007d65e655dfce94f07e21099a.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
I am not trolling, so I cannot feasibly stop something I am not doing in the first place.
I love the Skyrim thread for this reason, we all just ignored riutet and now an average page looks like 10 riutet posts just completely neglected. I suggest you all do the same, just let him keep posting and don't respond, it's a beautiful sight in the skyrim thread.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28820789]I love the Skyrim thread for this reason, we all just ignored riutet and now an average page looks like 10 riutet posts just completely neglected. I suggest you all do the same, just let him keep posting and don't respond, it's a beautiful sight in the skyrim thread.[/QUOTE]
I suggest this too, if my posts offend you sticking your head in the sand is a good solution.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28820856]I suggest this too, if my posts offend you sticking your head in the sand is a good solution.[/QUOTE]
No. not the case. you like to espouse your opinion as fact, and I'd like to not listen to someone who thinks they're good enough to tell everyone else how things really are when in this world, we're all limited by our perception of things, where you can't tell me objectively something is bad and something isn't worth while
Your opinion is fine, I don't fucking care about your opinion, it's that fucking attitude, it's that fucking way of posting that annoys people here. You're not an authority on anything but your own opinions, and that's all you have, opinions. I don't want to argue with you anymore, and I can't hope to be able to knock down an ego so inflated as yours, it could probably fly the fucking hiddenberg, but all the same, you've gotta grow up, the world doesn't work on the standards of a 12 year old who demands the world be the way he says it is.
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
I mean, the issue really is, people have argued with you rationally and what do you do? rather than let us possibly have a good discussion, you post snide remarks and your opinion of the game as if it was more than just an opinion. You turn the possibility of a good discussion into an impossibility as you just start annoying people with repetition of the same shit.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28818862]but does not also implicate that my position is correct.[/quote]
Yes it does. You could not have picked a more strong adjective than "wrong". The opposite of wrong is right, or correct, and by saying "[you'd] rather be a dickhead than wrong" you imply that in being a dickhead, you are correct.
Furthermore, the condition for being a dickhead is disagreeing with Monk's opinion. Therefore it follows that disagreeing with his opinion = correctness, a clear logical fallacy which I shouldn't have to even explain.
You can't have this both ways.
[quote]Example: "I think this baby might be a boy." "Yeah well, it's not gonna be." "How can you know that for certain? You're wrong in saying that."[/quote]
I'm not sure whether this is meant to apply to us or you, either way it's dumb.
[quote]Neither hypocrisy nor unfounded certainty is a position to be proud of.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that you're doing both while we're doing only one.
[editline]26th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Riutet;28820856]I suggest this too, if my posts offend you sticking your head in the sand is a good solution.[/QUOTE]
but then I'd have to change my avatar
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28820973]No. not the case. you like to espouse your opinion as fact, and I'd like to not listen to someone who thinks they're good enough to tell everyone else how things really are when in this world, we're all limited by our perception of things, where you can't tell me objectively something is bad and something isn't worth while
Your opinion is fine, I don't fucking care about your opinion, it's that fucking attitude, it's that fucking way of posting that annoys people here. You're not an authority on anything but your own opinions, and that's all you have, opinions. I don't want to argue with you anymore, and I can't hope to be able to knock down an ego so inflated as yours, it could probably fly the fucking hiddenberg, but all the same, you've gotta grow up, the world doesn't work on the standards of a 12 year old who demands the world be the way he says it is.[/quote]
"just let him keep posting and don't respond"
Well I'm sorry I have offended you HumanAbyss, but I have said on multiple occasions that although Oblivion is technically and objectively a poor game, that does not mean it's impossible to enjoy it for what it is. It's mechanics are all broken, it's world lacks wonder, if you were to dissect it and evaluate it based not on experience (i.e not subjectively), it would and does fail in many categories, and in a way you can quantify with evidence.
Of course different people will take different things away from the game, I took away from it that it was a nice adventure game that ultimately was pretty shallow and looking at it in hindsight (and replaying it after doing a re-run of a lot of older RPGs) was actually pretty bad. Considering it's quality relative to many other older and newer RPGs, it IS very poor. If Oblivion is your first RPG or openworld game, you'll probably be blown away though. I solidified this position after looking at the game relative to other games, as well as taking into account other people's evaluations of the game doing the same.
[quote]I mean, the issue really is, people have argued with you rationally and what do you do? rather than let us possibly have a good discussion, you post snide remarks and your opinion of the game as if it was more than just an opinion. You turn the possibility of a good discussion into an impossibility as you just start annoying people with repetition of the same shit.[/QUOTE]
Rationally? You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means. Some people have presented a rational argument, but most others are just like, "ur rong dude i rate u dumb dats proof positive".
You for example, instead of trying to refute what I've said in the past, go on about "Oh no one can know anything everything is subjective nothing can be quantified" as if objectivity in any way is an impossibility.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28821400]"just let him keep posting and don't respond"
Well I'm sorry I have offended you HumanAbyss, but I have said on multiple occasions that although Oblivion is technically and objectively a poor game, that does not mean it's impossible to enjoy it for what it is. It's mechanics are all broken, it's world lacks wonder, if you were to dissect it and evaluate it based not on experience (i.e not subjectively), it would and does fail in many categories, and in a way you can quantify with evidence.
Of course different people will take different things away from the game, I took away from it that it was a nice adventure game that ultimately was pretty shallow and looking at it in hindsight (and replaying it after doing a re-run of a lot of older RPGs) was actually pretty bad. Considering it's quality relative to many other older and newer RPGs, it IS very poor. If Oblivion is your first RPG or openworld game, you'll probably be blown away though. I solidified this position after looking at the game relative to other games, as well as taking into account other people's evaluations of the game doing the same.
Rationally? You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means. Some people have presented a rational argument, but most others are just like, "ur rong dude i rate u dumb dats proof positive".
You for example, instead of trying to refute what I've said in the past, go on about "Oh no one can know anything everything is subjective nothing can be quantified" as if objectivity in any way is an impossibility.[/QUOTE]
You can say it's objectively bad, but you're still 100% fucking wrong, even if you go by how you did that, because that's again, just your perception of it. Who the fuck cares what you think is, all you do is say "nope, i'm objectively right"
And how do you argue with someone saying they're right? You can't.
And now I see i'm slipping back into the argument of pure and unadulterated stupidity.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;28821024]Yes it does. You could not have picked a more strong adjective than "wrong". The opposite of wrong is right, or correct, and by saying "[you'd] rather be a dickhead than wrong" you imply that in being a dickhead, you are correct.
Furthermore, the condition for being a dickhead is disagreeing with Monk's opinion. Therefore it follows that disagreeing with his opinion = correctness, a clear logical fallacy which I shouldn't have to even explain.
You can't have this both ways.[/quote]
Ah, I see how you can see it this way. Perhaps this is the result of my poor wording. I viewed dickhead as "presenting an opinion that does not sit well with Monk", not necessarily a directly opposite opinion, but one that he just does not agree with in any way, shape or form. I didn't wish to imply that I was right in holding a contrary position to Monk, just that Monk was wrong in holding his position of certainty on his view.
[quote]I'm not sure whether this is meant to apply to us or you, either way it's dumb.[/quote]
Was about Monk. Was highlighting how he was taking a position of certainty on that which is not known to be either way currently.
[quote]The difference is that you're doing both while we're doing only one.[/quote]
The only thing I will ever claim certainty about, is that which is known, I do not know how Deus Ex will turn out, I have not seen the game for myself, I can only make predictions based on what is currently known. About a game that I have played, I can break it down and evaluate it, separate it's elements and compare it to other games to acquire knowledge as to the quality of the game relative to every other game in the same genre.
I can not argue whether or not it will be enjoyable for everyone, I can only gauge whether it achieves an adequate level of success in what the developers have attempted, especially in comparison to what has been done by others. The possibility of being hypocritical however is there, although my memory is so poor that I cannot recall how I have been hypocritical in the past few pages.
Riutet can you name a thing that's good about this game
if possible
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