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i cant wait for 1.7 which only adds pistons and breaks everything from the last ten updates

Wouldn't you "bitch" if someone took a shit on your food for example. I mean im not really giving a good analogy here but the jist of it is criticism and whining are two different things.

[QUOTE=Paramud;30080277]Whether or not bitching is warranted, it's still bitching.[/QUOTE] True, but since he isn't open to criticism either way, this is just the easier way for us to discus the matter. [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] It would be good for Minecraft if Notch assembled some closed team of dedicated nightly testers to thoroughly test the game before pushing the update to everybody. Obviously the team would have to consist of intelligent people who are actually able to determine what is wrong with the game. I'd much rather wait a few extra days because of nightly testing than a few extra weeks because Notch thinks no errors while compiling means no bugs in the game.

[QUOTE=CrabC;30080322]Wouldn't you "bitch" if someone took a shit on your food for example. I mean im not really giving a good analogy here but the jist of it is criticism and whining are two different things.[/QUOTE] It'd be more like if someone tried to fix your car and add stuff to it and you got it back and it ran worse. Except mine is still fine so obviously the mechanic doesn't break everybody's stuff.

[QUOTE=Zedicus Mann;30080430]It'd be more like if someone tried to fix your car and add stuff to it and you got it back and it ran worse. Except mine is still fine so obviously the mechanic doesn't break everybody's stuff.[/QUOTE] It's more like buying a car that hasn't even finished being designed yet, and not having any say in the creative design.

When they said 1.6 would be announced I thought i'd be playing allot again. Now it's released it doesn't even look interesting enough to load up MC. :smith:

[QUOTE=Paramud;30080481]It's more like buying a car that hasn't even finished being designed yet, and not having any say in the creative design.[/QUOTE] And every once in a while you can take it back for new features and stuff if you want. However if you don't take it back for the new features the roads will be updated and you won't be able to drive your car on the roads.

[QUOTE=Zedicus Mann;30080558]And every once in a while you can take it back for new features and stuff if you want. However if you don't take it back for the new features the roads will be updated and you won't be able to drive your car on the roads.[/QUOTE] And you can pirate it if you don't have the money, but everyone thinks you're a fag because you're pirating a good game. [i]Even though they all seem to hate it anyways.[/i]

[QUOTE=Paramud;30080146]You imply that he didn't put out four patches afterwards to try and fix the bugs.[/QUOTE] Trying and doing are two very different things.

[QUOTE=E-102 Gamma;30074722]I just don't understand how you people can keep defending Notch. 1.6 was a DISASTER. I don't see how anyone can call it anything else. It "fixed" several useful "bugs", added a handful of new features (hatches, tall grass, shrubs, and maps, mostly), and completely broke absolutely everything else. Chunks don't load in SMP, from what I hear. Tools break instantly if you drop them and pick them back up. Grass isn't generated in already-existing chunks. 1.6 and its FOUR hotfixes were absolutely riddled with bugs. Game-breaking bugs that completely outweigh what they added and supposedly fixed. Now knock it off. Notch has no excuses.[/QUOTE] Did I mention the exploding beds in the Nether? Seriously, read through 1.6 and its hotfixes in the [url=http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history]version history[/url] page at Minecraft wiki if you haven't already. If you still think we're being way too demanding, explain to me how these bugs happened: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz62g4Lm80k[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTU0wjRzmDE[/media] This isn't just bandwagon effect. We are not exaggerating. Notch really did mess Minecraft up.

[QUOTE=Chilean;30077312]If I was a taste tester and the chef shat all over his food I'd complain there's beta testing, and then there's "are you an idiot or something"[/QUOTE] Taste testers test finished food your analogy makes zero sense. Are you an idiot or something.

Why doesn't notch stop being such a prick and actually start including the community in testing, you know, the community who made him what he is now. Why can't he just release a test client, people then feed back to him the bugs, and when they're ironed out he implements the update across all the regular clients? Christ.

Hey guys: Survival Test was buggy, not many people complained. Indev was buggy, not many people complained. Infdev was buggy, not many people complained. Alpha was buggy, not many people complained. Beta is buggy, suddenly the world is going to end. Indev, Infdev, Alpha, and Beta all brought bugs when a new patch was released and people only really complain about Beta. You got what you payed for in whatever stage you bought it from. You didn't NEED the updates, the game would still be rather popular if we were still on Infdev with nothing much more added. I bought minecraft a little bit after Indev came out, and I enjoyed it. Even with the bugs that were in there I still had plenty of fun. This goes with Infdev, Alpha, and Beta. Even with game breaking bugs I can still have a fun time with my game, its not ruined. I paid about 15 dollars for Indev and I got what I wanted, a fun survival experience with a sandbox aspect. I still get this experience with the buggy 1.6.4. You don't NEED the new updates, they are just a nice thing to have.

[QUOTE=The freeman;30081264]Hey guys: Survival Test was buggy, not many people complained. Indev was buggy, not many people complained. Infdev was buggy, not many people complained. Alpha was buggy, not many people complained. Beta is buggy, suddenly the world is going to end. Indev, Infdev, Alpha, and Beta all brought bugs when a new patch was released and people only really complain about Beta. You got what you payed for in whatever stage you bought it from. You didn't NEED the updates, the game would still be rather popular if we were still on Infdev with nothing much more added. I bought minecraft a little bit after Indev came out, and I enjoyed it. Even with the bugs that were in there I still had plenty of fun. This goes with Infdev, Alpha, and Beta. Even with game breaking bugs I can still have a fun time with my game, its not ruined. I paid about 15 dollars for Indev and I got what I wanted, a fun survival experience with a sandbox aspect. I still get this experience with the buggy 1.6.4. You don't NEED the new updates, they are just a nice thing to have.[/QUOTE] Survival Test was just buggy but that was early development so its understandable, Indev had around 3 or 4 game breaking bugs, alpha had 2 which were quickly fixed, beta as it currently stands at 1.6 has over 20 game breaking bugs on both client and server side. Yeah.

[QUOTE=The freeman;30081264]Hey guys: Survival Test was buggy, not many people complained. Indev was buggy, not many people complained. Infdev was buggy, not many people complained. Alpha was buggy, not many people complained. Beta is buggy, suddenly the world is going to end. Indev, Infdev, Alpha, and Beta all brought bugs when a new patch was released and people only really complain about Beta. You got what you payed for in whatever stage you bought it from. You didn't NEED the updates, the game would still be rather popular if we were still on Infdev with nothing much more added. I bought minecraft a little bit after Indev came out, and I enjoyed it. Even with the bugs that were in there I still had plenty of fun. This goes with Infdev, Alpha, and Beta. Even with game breaking bugs I can still have a fun time with my game, its not ruined. I paid about 15 dollars for Indev and I got what I wanted, a fun survival experience with a sandbox aspect. I still get this experience with the buggy 1.6.4. You don't NEED the new updates, they are just a nice thing to have.[/QUOTE] No lol shut up, we paid for the game that we want to be able to play. It's not like he gives us the choice on whether we want to update or not.

[QUOTE=Jasun;30081375]It's not like he gives us the choice on whether we want to update or not.[/QUOTE] Stop using the old launcher.

[QUOTE=Jasun;30081375]No lol shut up, we paid for the game that we want to be able to play. It's not like he gives us the choice on whether we want to update or not.[/QUOTE] I can still play the game fine. I am on 1.6.4 and the only problems I have had were all the water on my map was gone but that was because I had a water replacement mod.

[QUOTE=Jasun;30081231]Why doesn't notch stop being such a prick and actually start including the community in testing, you know, the community who made him what he is now. Why can't he just release a test client, people then feed back to him the bugs, and when they're ironed out he implements the update across all the regular clients? Christ.[/QUOTE] That's [b]exactly[/b] what he's fucking doing. I'm sorry, did you think that the game was fucking finished or something? [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jasun;30081375]No lol shut up, we paid for the game that we want to be able to play. It's not like he gives us the choice on whether we want to update or not.[/QUOTE] I have never been this angered by a series of posts

[QUOTE=EDDY TT;30081406]Stop using the old launcher.[/QUOTE] but I use the old launcher and I'm not playing 1.6.4

[QUOTE=devon_wargod;30081503]but I use the old launcher and I'm not playing 1.6.4[/QUOTE] Only because of the patcher I showed you, it stops the launcher updating due to editing the registry.

[QUOTE=Paramud;30081416]That's [b]exactly[/b] what he's fucking doing. I'm sorry, did you think that the game was fucking finished or something? [/QUOTE] No modern game is truly finished, look at all the updates Valve are cranking out. Do they break the game and make it unplayable in the majority of cases? No. Why? They test it properly. The way Notch is going about things I don't believe minecraft will ever be 'released'.

While Notch is fucking Minecraft for PC up, Jeb is rebuilding most of Minecraft from scratch for mobile. Maybe Notch should ask Jeb to fix Minecraft for PC too, while he's at it :v:

[QUOTE=Jasun;30081558]No game is truly finished, look at all the updates Valve are cranking out. Do they break the game and make it unplayable in the majority of cases? No. Why? They test it properly.[/quote] Valve has an entire building working round the clock for their games. Mojang has a group of people that you can count on one hand. Don't even fucking try to compare an Indie dev to a big budget developer. If you honestly have similar expectations between the two, you need to get the hell out, because you obviously don't have a firm grasp of reality. Mojang is better than Valve either way.

Honestly, I just want something that I can actually play. That's it. I don't care how long it takes him, or what he has to do... I just want something that isn't unequivocally broken, so much so that, in many cases, it renders the game absolutely unplayable. I've tried to be nice. I really have. But now I'm just disappointed. It's actually kind of sad.

[QUOTE=Paramud;30081669]Valve has an entire building working round the clock for their games. Mojang has a group of people that you can count on one hand. Don't even fucking try to compare an Indie dev to a big budget developer.[/QUOTE] I think you missed the point. I'm not saying that Notch should be rolling out such regular updates as Valve, I'm saying years later after the 'release' the games valve have released are still being tweaked and worked on.

[QUOTE=Jasun;30081690]I think you missed the point. I'm not saying that Notch should be rolling out such regular updates as Valve, I'm saying years later after the 'release' the games valve have released are still being tweaked and worked on.[/QUOTE] What you're saying is that, since Valve can do it, Mojang should be able to do it. [B]No.[/b] Valve and Mojang are nothing alike.

Hm, can anyone test a completely new world and see if they encounter the horrid bug there? I'm trying myself. I want to see if this is just based entirely on a level's new generation code that's scaring the program with old levels.

[QUOTE=E-102 Gamma;30080953]Did I mention the exploding beds in the Nether? [/QUOTE] Exploding beds in the nether is intentional because you weren't meant to be able to sleep there.

[QUOTE=Paramud;30081749]What you're saying is that, since Valve can do it, Mojang should be able to do it. [B]No.[/b] Valve and Mojang are nothing alike.[/QUOTE] No.. what I said is that the game will never truly be 'complete' and we shouldn't have to be putting up with game-breaking updates because of the fact it's not been 'released' yet. The Valve comparison was to show that despite the fact that games such as L4D2 and TF2 have had an official release, they still continue to be worked on and don't tend to release updates that render parts of the game unplayable.

:sigh: I don't know... Minecraft was so much better during Infdev. Sure it didn't have fences or doors and all the rest of that stuff, but it was fun, in my opinion. I'm kind of giving up on it nowadays.