Activision strongly considers monthly bill for portion of Multiplayer - Games

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30178960]Doubt anyone is going to pay the subscriptions. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] It'll fail.[/QUOTE] oh you'd be surprised

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;30167387]This isn't surprising. Guitar Hero has pretty much run it's course, and now Bobby Kotick has realized that he now has less money lining his solid gold wallet, so now he charges for multiplayer on a slowly dying FPS. Luckily enough, I don't play multiplayer, so I couldn't care much about the bill, but seriously. Charging folks just to play multiplayer online? That's a shit move.[/QUOTE] Activision isn't doing that. Actually, fuck it. No matter how many times you say it, you guys will never understand what the multiplayer actually is like and what you pay and don't pay. Just hop on the bandwagon and say shit like "You will have to sell your house to start playing CoD at all"

[QUOTE=dass;30180312]Activision isn't doing that. Actually, fuck it. No matter how many times you say it, you guys will never understand what the multiplayer actually is like and what you pay and don't pay. Just hop on the bandwagon and say shit like "You will have to sell your house to start playing CoD at all"[/QUOTE] I think the main complaint against this move from Activision is that if we as customers pay a premium price of $60 for a game (considering you can buy other FPS games with just a big communities for $20) then the game shouldn't be restricted in any way. So if you pay $60, you should have access to everything. This subscription thing just shouts out "i'm making a sly move to get more money outta you guys". You must be blind not to see it.

[QUOTE=dass;30180312]Activision isn't doing that. Actually, fuck it. No matter how many times you say it, you guys will never understand what the multiplayer actually is like and what you pay and don't pay. Just hop on the bandwagon and say shit like "You will have to sell your house to start playing CoD at all"[/QUOTE] Halo has just as large a community and Bungie offer stat tracking, video and image uploading for free. Activision can suck a dick.

[QUOTE=KableX;30180396]I think the main complaint against this move from Activision is that if we as customers pay a premium price of $60 for a game (considering you can buy other FPS games with just a big communities for $20) then the game shouldn't be restricted in any way. So if you pay $60, you should have access to everything. This subscription thing just shouts out "i'm making a sly move to get more money outta you guys". You must be blind not to see it.[/QUOTE] Well said, yet, you aren't forced to pay that subscription. What they are mentioning is CoD Elite. Its basically having to pay monthly for access to map packs and other tools and shit. Stuff that, if you don't really need, you wont have to pay for it, and it wont block multiplayer from you with the exception of a few map packs. Nothing else. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;30180491]Halo has just as large a community and Bungie offer stat tracking, video and image uploading for free. Activision can suck a dick.[/QUOTE] Good for them. Doesn't really makes my gaming experience any more joyfull tbh.

It's amazing to me how many people DEFEND Activision, COD and it's practices. It's one thing just to like a game but people seem to take it personally and see nothing wrong with the whole picture. I don't know if it's blind love, ignorance or just a short memory of games, especially FPS' that used to get FREE maps, updates, etc. Even if the market evolves and companies start charging $5 for maps packs, COD started pushing $15 map packs. If you are ok with this and defend charging for stats, etc, then you deserve it.

[QUOTE=dass;30180532]Well said, yet, you aren't forced to pay that subscription. What they are mentioning is CoD Elite. Its basically having to pay monthly for access to map packs and other tools and shit. Stuff that, if you don't really need, you wont have to pay for it, and it wont block multiplayer from you with the exception of a few map packs. Nothing else. [/QUOTE] Like I said in my original post. If one pays a premium price of $60 they'd expect to have everything in the game available to them. The fact that they are adding a subscription fee is a discreet way of them saying "We know you'll give us more money". And people will buy it for two reasons: 1- The same reason why they bought CoD in the first place. All their friends have it. You can't be playing with your friends if you don't have the map they payed for. (So essentially people are buying it because their friends play it and not because the game actually is a quality made game!) 2-Knowing Activision, they wil probably cut short on the maps in the regular version of the game , probably making them crappy to persuade people to subscribe.

[QUOTE=digitalforce;30180569]It's amazing to me how many people DEFEND Activision, COD and it's practices. It's one thing just to like a game but people seem to take it personally and see nothing wrong with the whole picture. I don't know if it's blind love, ignorance or just a short memory of games, especially FPS' that used to get FREE maps, updates, etc. Even if the market evolves and companies start charging $5 for maps packs, COD started pushing $15 map packs. If you are ok with this and defend charging for stats, etc, then you deserve it.[/QUOTE] I'm not defending that. I'm pointing out how people poke at every wrong thing, despite being small or huge, and don't even care if they actually have fun playing the game. They just deem it as the spawn of Satan or something. I am well aware of the heavy shitty price that IMO sucks aswell and how the DLC should be in the game in the first place and not charged seperately along the game's 60€ price, making it almost 80€ in the end, if not more. I'm not defending what Activision is doing. Its plain out wrong (by our standards, but a GREAT business tactic) and it hurts everyone's wallets, but I don't make up gibberish and simply say "no, it sucks" to every aspect of the game, regardless if its actually good or not. People even whine about how the weapons look "tacticool". What the hell do they want? A vintage AK-47 in a game set in 2014 or something? The game isn't meant to be realistic, but thats a weird thing to do and a weird thing to point out by the same people who also whine about how each faction has the wrong weapons for their country (true story) They say the story sucks, no matter what the story is. Its like they need a perfect story for the game to be good, and in the end, something alot more simple or worse might even be better for them then CoD's stories. Biased much? Singleplayer is small though... But multiplayer is soo much beaten to the ground with a stick, and sometimes soo overly exagerated that I even laugh at other games that have multiplayers with soo very annoying components that don't even get mentioned and are instantly better then CoD, despite being possibly worse. This gets wrapped in an exageration bow tie when people see 1 hacker in their life time and instantly say the game is filled with hackers. The same could be applied to other games and to other things. Complain about campers, yet, I never really see anyone really camping, and the people I do see camping usually die EASILY. BC2 for example has people popping out of bushes that you SOMEHOW don't even see them, snipers from miles and miles away sitting on their asses in the same spot and god knows what more, and still gets praised for it. I could go on about other stuff. Bugs... Bugs... Constantly frowned upon for bugs, some that aren't even true, others that aren't even bugs to begin with. True that some don't get corrected. Funny enough, other games don't correct their bugs after a long while, or don't even get to correct them at all. People just blindly focus their hate on CoD no matter what and if they are wrong or not. Threads about CoD here are "rate dumb and leave" threads for some reason. Hell, people are dumb for liking CoD. They can't like it at all, their instantly dumb for it. I bet that even if the game was good, people would keep on going with the bandwagon.

Dass, you make good points. I don't speak for everyone but it's more for what COD has done to the gaming industry.. not really against even the game itself. * PAY to play online (Xbox live) * $15 map packs * Blatant rush out the door, 1 a year(Probably more than that soon), $60 rehash * Soon to be a monthly fee to get stats and more maps It's not that there weren't games before that were $60 rehashes (Halo, Madden, Need for Speed) but this the best selling game of all time. Also, as a PC gamer at heart, FPS STARTED on PC yet it's all being watered down and catered to consoles.. THAT is what bothers me. I don't care WHO plays COD or WHO even buys all the DLC.. it's supporting disturbing marketing trends and paving the way for more nickle and diming.

[QUOTE=KableX;30180720]Like I said in my original post. If one pays a premium price of $60 they'd expect to have everything in the game available to them. The fact that they are adding a subscription fee is a discreet way of them saying "We know you'll give us more money". And people will buy it for two reasons: 1- The same reason why they bought CoD in the first place. All their friends have it. You can't be playing with your friends if you don't have the map they payed for. (So essentially people are buying it because their friends play it and not because the game actually is a quality made game!) 2-Knowing Activision, they wil probably cut short on the maps in the regular version of the game , probably making them crappy to persuade people to subscribe.[/QUOTE] I didn't buy CoD because of my friends. Some don't even play games on anything, let alone play anything online, and most of the games they get is "through the tubes". I got CoD4 in the first place because it seemed to have a nice enough MP and since they were dropping the WW2 theme which I found too old and used up, I ended up buying it, and it was (and still is) a blast. I got the rest of the cods (Mw2 and Blops) because I like them aswell. Sure I've had my rages against them, but I still like them alot. Except for Blops, with all the bad performance and sort of bad looking graphics compared to MW2. But I still like it. To this day, I still play MW2 and MW1. Blops not so much. I enjoy them alot, even without any map packs, which doesn't really troubles me. If I do get to play with a friend and that issue comes up, I just go and play solo with strangers. Easy and rageless solution. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it. No one is forcing you to buy it or play it and you shouldn't go against other people's opinions just because their different from yours. They like it, you dont. End of story.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;30151015]i'm not getting MW3 if it turns into a pay to play game I mean think about the shit you have to pay for already Using an Xbox as an example: Xbox 360: $200 Internet: About $40/mo for decent stuff Xbox Live Gold: 12 months is about $40 The game itself: $60 Pay to play: say $8/mo like the Netflix price they mentioned A mappack: $15 Total that up... you'd have paid $363 for the game. For just the game itself, it's still $83. For one fucking game. That has less content than some of the $20 shitty games you can get off Steam. Fuck you, Activision.[/QUOTE] For 12 months of XBL it's $60.

[QUOTE=digitalforce;30181082]Dass, you make good points. I don't speak for everyone but it's more for what COD has done to the gaming industry.. not really against even the game itself. * PAY to play online (Xbox live) * $15 map packs * Blatant rush out the door, 1 a year(Probably more than that soon), $60 rehash * Soon to be a monthly fee to get stats and more maps It's not that there weren't games before that were $60 rehashes (Halo, Madden, Need for Speed) but this the best selling game of all time. Also, as a PC gamer at heart, FPS STARTED on PC yet it's all being watered down and catered to consoles.. THAT is what bothers me. I don't care WHO plays COD or WHO even buys all the DLC.. it's supporting disturbing marketing trends and paving the way for more nickle and diming.[/QUOTE] 1st - I assume your talking about Xbox Live, because they ARE NOT forcing you to pay to play. Their basically giving you premium choices for a monthly fee, not unlocking the whole multiplayer. 2nd - That is awfull, but youre not forced to buy them. 3rd - Now THAT is my biggest gripe with them. Why wont they stop releasing CoD's for at least 2 or 3 years and make a really big, good one? 4th - I don't see why everyone wants stats soo much. Maps, I get it, but stats? Meh, don't really get it tbh. (wow just had a complete dejavu) That bothers me aswell, but thats not their fault. Their in on it, but its not their fault. Halo to me seems to be a worser case of releasing games just to make more money, but they balance it out with better stuff in their releases so... Sort of the same for NFS, except their games are going down in quality and are getting too milked. These marketing trends wont stop. Unless they get half or less of their usual sales revenues and they deem it a failure, nothing's ever gonna change. At least its a bit different from Guitar Hero, which was mostly the same exact shit with different songs.

I hope they never do this, I have loads of games I can currently start up and start playing online without going through boring subscription screens to use up my money before I can play. What are they going to use the fees for anyway? Extra content should be free and the people host the servers using either donations from players or their own money so they can shove their multiplayer fees up their greedy assholes. Very sorry if you had to read a comment like this, I'm sure the whole thread will be full of them soon but it really shouldn't happen imo.

You'd think they'd learn from Guitar Hero. Rushing games out this quickly makes people hate the entire franchise. MW2 was my last mistake. Never again. And now a monthly fee? Get the fuck out of here. Might as well go console exclusive, Derpivision.

[QUOTE=KableX;30178060]You being serious? Every time a new cod game comes out you see a new generation of people who complain about a major fault in the game. Not just one or two either. You ever checked Steam stats of peak play time? Compare daily peak player counts of MW2 compared to the more recent blackops... Blackops always has fewer players everyday. Indicating that PC gamers are realising COD is just being rehashed every year.[/QUOTE] I said [b]people who buy CoD[/b] know what to expect, and they aren't the ones who complain. You're (anyone in general) an idiot if you buy CoD expecting something, then go complain about it on the internet.

[QUOTE=digitalforce;30180569]It's amazing to me how many people DEFEND Activision, COD and it's practices. It's one thing just to like a game but people seem to take it personally and see nothing wrong with the whole picture. I don't know if it's blind love, ignorance or just a short memory of games, especially FPS' that used to get FREE maps, updates, etc. Even if the market evolves and companies start charging $5 for maps packs, COD started pushing $15 map packs. If you are ok with this and defend charging for stats, etc, then you deserve it.[/QUOTE] Gosh, I like Call of Duty, it's a good game series. Charging 15 bucks for map packs isn't right I know, but you know what I do about that? [b]I simply don't buy them[/b]. [editline]2nd June 2011[/editline] As said above, the only ones who complain about the CoD series are those who don't actually play them. Activision are not forcing you to buy the game and the games are not killing kitties or anything.