The quality of video games has declined over the past 10 years. - Games

Valve did the opposite with every game except Left 4 Dead.

Guitar Hero is an example of a franchise gone wild. It could still be popular if they hadn't overwhelmed bro-gamers (its core audience) with options, trying to release several $60 games to try to appeal to niche markets. Had GH not exploded into thousands of offshoots, supported itself with copious amounts of DLC, and stuck to its guns, it could still be popular. This kind of thing is what happens when companies try to over-milk a franchise: people get scared away. This is why we have an annual Call Of Duty release, so consumers always know exactly what to buy.

Take of your nostalgia goggles the quality of games are fine

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he means 'variety', not 'quality'. It's tough to find a game that's not a heavily franchised FPS. Quality is debatable.

[QUOTE=Wootman;25561106]Take of your nostalgia goggles the quality of games are fine[/QUOTE] Or he has a legitimate point and you're too blind to see it/too lazy to present an actual argument instead of a cheap cop out.

[QUOTE=Amilo;25561154]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he means 'variety', not 'quality'. It's tough to find a game that's not a heavily franchised FPS. Quality is debatable.[/QUOTE] Look at the top selling early console (NES/Genesis) games, see alot of similar names? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games[/URL] Nothing has changed.

[QUOTE=Achilles123;25561177]Or he has a legitimate point and you're too blind to see it/too lazy to present an actual argument instead of a cheap cop out.[/QUOTE] The reason people play Diablo 2, StarCraft, Warcraft 3, Counter-Strike and AoE are because at the time there were no other games like them. People still enjoy them because they're special and they've grown up with them. Games aren't worse, they're just not as original as they'd used to be. Nostalgia is a legitimate excuse and is more than likely the contributing factor to the longevity of most older games.

[QUOTE=GetBent;25561214]Look at the top selling early console (NES/Genesis) games, see alot of similar names? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games[/URL] Nothing has changed.[/QUOTE] If you actually think that having similar franchises means we are getting the same quality of games, you are a silly, silly goose. One obvious difference between then and now as that then, they were actually new ideas. Hilariously, you're evidence actually rejects your conclusion. Would you hold that Star Wars prequels at the same level as the original trilogy? Or the new Indian Jones movies at the same level as the originals? Having the same name does not mean being of the same quality. Surely you've heard the term "Nothing in common but the name"

Greedy companies appearantly make games shit. Wait, no, they make the greedy companies shit. The games can and will still be good.

Mainstream games have just gotten too dumbed down. Theres still great indie titles that get to be unique and different though. Also, the definition of 'hardcore gamer' has changed. Playing MW2 all day on XBL doesn't make you one.

[img]http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/vcs/dennert/archives/money.jpg[/img] This is why.

society doesn't "require" you to play the game what the hell is this

[QUOTE=Achilles123;25561177]Or he has a legitimate point and you're too blind to see it/too lazy to present an actual argument instead of a cheap cop out.[/QUOTE] lol at how you lurked the thread until someone said that just so you could insult them. I disagree, OP , I think 10 years from now people will be saying that games from that age are worse than games from now , etc. etc. It IS nostalgia making you say that, but of course alot of games WILL be worse. That just happens. The main factor behind games not being as satisfying (length wise) is cost. The industry has advanced to such a level that it costs too much to make games , so they're not as long and can seem un-satisfying (HAI MAFIA 2 ) but when they're good, there is no godamn way you could even try and compare them to games of yester-year.

I don't think it's really right to complain about this. If you don't like the games, don't buy them.

[QUOTE=Spawndex;25561526]lol at how you lurked the thread until someone said that just so you could insult them. I disagree, OP , I think 10 years from now people will be saying that games from that age are worse than games from now , etc. etc. It IS nostalgia making you say that, but of course alot of games WILL be worse. That just happens. The main factor behind games not being as satisfying (length wise) is cost. The industry has advanced to such a level that it costs too much to make games , so they're not as long and can seem un-satisfying (HAI MAFIA 2 ) [B]but when they're good, there is no godamn way you could even try and compare them to games of yester-year.[/B][/QUOTE] I disagree with this notion in general. My first console was the N64, so I'm not as well-learned as some of these vets, but I have been playing some totally legally-acquired not at all pirated ROMS of NES and SNES games and the experience has been eye-opening. I can get roughly the same amount of enjoyment from these old-timers as the younger games, not factoring in the age difference at all. Without my vision blurred by nostalgia, I can personally say that the past has been much more fertile in terms of original, high-quality, and downright fun games. [editline]22nd October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=SamPerson123;25561613]I don't think it's really right to complain about this. If you don't like the games, don't buy them.[/QUOTE] This is a destructive view-point. For one thing, we are just discussing it, and there's no reason not to. Plus its good to get people's opinions heard, some of us may be game devs ourselves one day, after all. Constructive-criticism is a good thing, as opposed to simply not buying something. Aside from the egotists, devs would rather people tell them what they're doing wrong.

You know, games like Mass Effect are fucking horrible and should burn in a pit. [sp]SARCASM[/sp]

[QUOTE=Spawndex;25561526]lol at how you lurked the thread until someone said that just so you could insult them. I disagree, OP , I think 10 years from now people will be saying that games from that age are worse than games from now , etc. etc. It IS nostalgia making you say that, but of course alot of games WILL be worse. That just happens. The main factor behind games not being as satisfying (length wise) is cost. The industry has advanced to such a level that it costs too much to make games , so they're not as long and can seem un-satisfying (HAI MAFIA 2 ) but when they're good, there is no godamn way you could even try and compare them to games of yester-year.[/QUOTE] Uh, thanks for your, uh, input. However, you never prove it's nostalgia at all, you state it as if it's a fact. Which it isn't. Also, I wasn't lurking the thread, I was waiting for someone to respond to my post, as no one had. So please, stop making petty personal attacks. [editline]21st October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Take_Opal;25561279]The reason people play Diablo 2, StarCraft, Warcraft 3, Counter-Strike and AoE are because at the time there were no other games like them. People still enjoy them because they're special and they've grown up with them. Games aren't worse, they're just not as original as they'd used to be. Nostalgia is a legitimate excuse and is more than likely the contributing factor to the longevity of most older games.[/QUOTE] Perhaps it is for you, but I can say without a shade of doubt that it isn't nostalgia influencing my decisions. And also, not being as original as they used to be isn't something that we can't fix. [editline]21st October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Zally13;25561825]You know, games like Mass Effect are fucking horrible and should burn in a pit. [sp]SARCASM[/sp][/QUOTE] I actually agree (with your sarcasm as well). I agree more with OP's title than with what he has in his post. Just because I think that it has declined, it doesn't mean there aren't still a few gems. However, in my opinion, there are less of them then there used to be.

[QUOTE=acidcj;25559908]I've found that nearly everything Valve makes is fairly good. Or rather, everything since DOTA 2 and the Mann-Conomy has been good[/QUOTE] the Mann-Conomy update isnt that bad hell you know BEFORE the update was even released people were BEGGING for to buy hats i mean try to think here for a sec......why are hats so damn expensive?to prevent everyone getting it by buying of course

[QUOTE=acidcj;25559908]I've found that nearly everything Valve makes is fairly good. Or rather, everything since DOTA 2 and the Mann-Conomy has been good[/QUOTE] Oh no no no, don't you start judging dota before it has been released, total no go.

The only reason why games are worse, is because it just got old. FPS are nothing special, RTS are being spammed by different companies and just few standing out. Back then, FPSes and RTSes were something as new as... something new that is now but wasn`t back then.

There were always crappy games, people just forget them overtime, so it seems that there were more good ones before. x was better y years ago is always that way

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;25562765]There were always crappy games, people just forget them overtime, so it seems that there were more good ones before. x was better y years ago is always that way[/QUOTE] [b]This.[/b]

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25559798]Had to stop you there. Call of Duty 4 was great.[/QUOTE] I agree. Call of Duty 4 had a thrill ride of a campaign and amazing multiplayer. I would have considered Modern Warfare 2 to be one of the greatest first person shooters of all time if it simply fixed CoD 4's problems [b]WITHOUT[/b] adding more of its own. All that being said, there are still a whole bunch of high quality games being released these days such as but not limited to: Bioshock, Portal, Mass Effect, Ratchet&Clank...

There was just as many if not more shitty games in 2000 as there is now, people on facepunch act like Call of Duty and Halo games are the only games that have been released in the past five years and seem to disregard all the amazing games that came out. And nobodies forcing you to preorder Black Ops, a game doesn't need to be popular among your friends for it to be enjoyable.

Older games are shit, the only reason people don't think that is because they don't look at the shit bargain bin titles that no one bothered to play solely because they're shit in a few years people aren't going to be going "GOD DAMN I FUCKING WISH IT WAS THE 90s EVERYTHING WAS TOTALLY BETTER THEN!!"

[QUOTE=markg06;25564860]Older games are shit, the only reason people don't think that is because they don't look at the shit bargain bin titles that no one bothered to play solely because they're shit in a few years people aren't going to be going "GOD DAMN I FUCKING WISH IT WAS THE 90s EVERYTHING WAS TOTALLY BETTER THEN!!"[/QUOTE] I just spent the best part of 4 hours playing XCOM, a game from 1993 (or 1994?) and had more fun than I've had with any new game in years. Granted, it was one of the best games released at the time, but you saying "older games are shit" is just wrong in so many ways. Most games these days won't survive as classics like so many of those that still live from the 90s, although I understand that there are always exceptions, and many old games [I]were[/I] shit and now dead, and that some games these days are awesome.

"Gamings gone to shit" No. It. Really. Fucking. Hasn't. This comes up every few months, and every few months, you dumbasses are put down for thinking this because it's simply not true. [editline]22nd October 2010[/editline] And again Achilles will be here to tell us that nostalgia plays no role in it, and games today suck factually and without a subjective view point possible.

There was a lot of bad games in the past too. You just don't remember them. But when you are in the present, you see all the games that come out, including bad ones. And you think that past had much less bad games than present.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25559798]Had to stop you there. Call of Duty 4 was great.[/QUOTE] There seems to be a big fanboyism surrounding CoD2 among FP IMO

*looks at the CoD franchise* I guess I have to agree with the OP....since CoD2 it didn't went downhill.....it's like the series is a car....and the car took a wrong turn and ended up crashing down a ravine...