[QUOTE=BadderSanta;29478675]Meh. I am going to bet nobody got any shit stolen or if they did, it would be compensated fully. If the skiddies have any sort of intelligence, they should know trying to steal credit card information is probably the stupidest thing to do ever. Dick move for Sony letting this shit happen in the first place, but I won't just write them off for this what happened. This time away from MP games has really made me appreciate what I have. I've been playing some FNV and Hitman Blood Money since. Thank you Sony for appreciating my single-player games.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I'd call them skiddies, but OK.
[QUOTE=Tralisk;29478789]I'm not sure I'd call them skiddies, but OK.[/QUOTE]
Getting mad and hacking the PSN network because they couldn't use Linux on it. Okay they are not script kiddies, but not mature.
[QUOTE=BadderSanta;29478843]Getting mad and hacking the PSN network because they couldn't use Linux on it. Okay they are not script kiddies, but not mature.[/QUOTE]
This is not the case, most likely.
These are surely a completely separate entity from the protesters you're thinking of.
These seem like people trying to capitalise on someone else's work for a quick buck.
[QUOTE=Tralisk;29478888]This is not the case, most likely.
These are surely a completely separate entity from the protesters you're thinking of.
These seem like people trying to capitalise on someone else's work for a quick buck.[/QUOTE]
How will they make money off of this?
[QUOTE=BadderSanta;29478675]Meh. I am going to bet nobody got any shit stolen or if they did, it would be compensated fully. If the skiddies have any sort of intelligence, they should know trying to steal credit card information is probably the stupidest thing to do ever. Dick move for Sony letting this shit happen in the first place, but I won't just write them off for this what happened. This time away from MP games has really made me appreciate what I have. I've been playing some FNV and Hitman Blood Money since. Thank you Sony for appreciating my single-player games.[/QUOTE]
And finally an informed person arrives. Hundreds of people have already had fraudulent charges charges onto their accounts, these charges have been as big as $1000.
Sony knew they had been hacked for a week, they did not know that your information had been stolen at that time. Once the team of experts they hired to figure out what happened found out that your information had been compromised, they immediately shut down their networks, thus the outage.
The identity of the hacker is yet unknown, though both Anonymous and Jihad have both denied that it is them, and it suspected to be one person.
Sony was storing your information in plaintext, instead of doing what they should have which in encrypt it. Their entire security model is terrible. People have already been exploiting their system to give themselves free stuff.
You can expect this outage to last for at most a week. The expenses to Sony are still unknown, as whether or not they will pay back the fraudulent charges. If they do pay back the charges in full, and do improve their security, it will cost them millions. With Sony already deciding whether or not to make PSN free, you can expect for both security, and cost reasons, that they will consider making it subscription based.
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29478989]And finally an informed person arrives. Hundreds of people have already had fraudulent charges charges onto their accounts, these charges have been as big as $1000.
Sony knew they had been hacked for a week, they did not know that your information had been stolen at that time. Once the team of experts they hired to figure out what happened found out that your information had been compromised, they immediately shut down their networks, thus the outage.
The identity of the hacker is yet unknown, though both Anonymous and Jihad have both denied that it is them, and it suspected to be one person.
Sony was storing your information in plaintext, instead of doing what they should have which in encrypt it. Their entire security model is terrible. People have already been exploiting their system to give themselves free stuff.
You can expect this outage to last for at most a week. The expenses to Sony are still unknown, as whether or not they will pay back the fraudulent charges. If they do pay back the charges in full, and do improve their security, it will cost them millions. With Sony already deciding whether or not to make PSN free, you can expect for both security, and cost reasons, that they will consider making it subscription based.[/QUOTE]
Dang. Where is the "Made me feel like a dick" button?
I really dont mind the outage, its a good excuse to get out of the house and do stuff I've been putting off.
But what really pisses me off, is every retard who posts a comment on a news story. Its just a collection of the most racist, ignorant, misinformed, naive and fanboy-ish(?) text walls/
[url]http://www.betanews.com/article/With-PSN-still-down-for-sixth-day-Sony-admits-data-loss/1303849206[/url]
An example
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29478989]And finally an informed person arrives. Hundreds of people have already had fraudulent charges charges onto their accounts, these charges have been as big as $1000.
Sony knew they had been hacked for a week, they did not know that your information had been stolen at that time. Once the team of experts they hired to figure out what happened found out that your information had been compromised, they immediately shut down their networks, thus the outage.
The identity of the hacker is yet unknown, though both Anonymous and Jihad have both denied that it is them, and it suspected to be one person.
Sony was storing your information in plaintext, instead of doing what they should have which in encrypt it. Their entire security model is terrible. People have already been exploiting their system to give themselves free stuff.
You can expect this outage to last for at most a week. The expenses to Sony are still unknown, as whether or not they will pay back the fraudulent charges. If they do pay back the charges in full, and do improve their security, it will cost them millions. With Sony already deciding whether or not to make PSN free, you can expect for both security, and cost reasons, that they will consider making it subscription based.[/QUOTE]
What does making a network "subscription" based have anything to do with upping security? A company can just charge you money and still do jack shit to protect your information pretending that they do. That notion is just silly
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29478989]And finally an informed person arrives. Hundreds of people have already had fraudulent charges charges onto their accounts, these charges have been as big as $1000.
Sony knew they had been hacked for a week, they did not know that your information had been stolen at that time. Once the team of experts they hired to figure out what happened found out that your information had been compromised, they immediately shut down their networks, thus the outage.
The identity of the hacker is yet unknown, though both Anonymous and Jihad have both denied that it is them, and it suspected to be one person.
Sony was storing your information in plaintext, instead of doing what they should have which in encrypt it. Their entire security model is terrible. People have already been exploiting their system to give themselves free stuff.
You can expect this outage to last for at most a week. The expenses to Sony are still unknown, as whether or not they will pay back the fraudulent charges. If they do pay back the charges in full, and do improve their security, it will cost them millions. With Sony already deciding whether or not to make PSN free, you can expect for both security, and cost reasons, that they will consider making it subscription based.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much why I only use PSN money cards. No financial account data. So, basically all I have to do is change my password. I'm hoping that if they do decide to charge that they'll still keep online play free. They can charge all they want for playstation home and what not.
I love Xbox fanboys.
They're all like "XBOX MASTER RACE"
Don't feel like a dick Baddersanta, there was no way you could know that.
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;29479206]What does making a network "subscription" based have anything to do with upping security? A company can just charge you money and still do jack shit to protect your information pretending that they do. That notion is just silly[/QUOTE]
It makes it so you don't have a bunch of anonymous users. Lets them ban the accounts of the people giving themselves free stuff by exploiting custom firmware; and any hacks like that surfacing later. Im not sure how PSN stops people from just creating a new account, if they do, im not a cheater. This has nothing to do with the hack though, just a different security exploit.
Edit: Further information, your credit card information was encrypted, obviously not very well, your personal information however, was just sitting there, waiting to be stolen, in plaintext, no encryption.
Also, anybody care to guess at how long it will take them to find the people responsible, and any other further details about that?
I'm guessing about two weeks, and only by tracing where the fraudulent charges are going.
[quote]Q: When will the PlayStation Network and Qriocity be back online?
A: Our employees have been working day and night to restore operations as quickly as possible, and we expect to have some services up and running within a week from yesterday. However, we want to be very clear that we will only restore operations when we are confident that the network is secure.[/quote]
So there's still the possibility (A very high one) that we will be waiting up to another week before SOME of the services come back online.
Bleh. As long as i can connect my PSN and steam accounts so I can download Portal 2 on to me PC, I'll be happy.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;29479492]So there's still the possibility (A very high one) that we will be waiting up to another week before SOME of the services come back online.[/QUOTE]
As much as it would suck to wait even longer if the reason is to up the security ans shit like that then I don't have any real issue with it.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29479347]
It makes it so you don't have a bunch of anonymous users. Lets them ban the accounts of the people giving themselves free stuff by exploiting custom firmware; and any hacks like that surfacing later. Im not sure how PSN stops people from just creating a new account, if they do, im not a cheater. This has nothing to do with the hack though, just a different security exploit.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but how does having a subscription based model automatically make it so there are no anonymous users? You don't pay to create a Steam account and there are no anonymous users there.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;29479719]As much as it would suck to wait even longer if the reason is to up the security ans shit like that then I don't have any real issue with it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you should all be happy that the servers are down, they are fixing them. However, you should be extremely furious with Sony for their negligence in securing your personal data. I can see a class action lawsuit on the horizon. (Alot more of those these days.)
To clarify their security.
Personal Data is sent in an unencrypted format, and stored on the servers unencrypted.
Credit Card data is sent in an unencrypted format, and stored on the servers encrypted.
The way it is being sent was tested a while back by myself and a few others using packet interception. The way that it was being stored is only what Sony claims. If anybody finds that it has been changed, please post it.
At this point, if you bought anything from them, instead of complaining about the server outages, go to the bank, talk to them about what you can do.
If you are one of the lucky few that never purchased anything from them or gave them any non-false personal information, you should feel free to complain about the outage, that is really the only thing you have to worry about.
Funny how the same company who made the PS1 and all its glory now does this to me, very sloppy online services that fail in comparison to what i expect, good thing i never got Playstation+.
[QUOTE=Speed Of Dark;29479857][img_thumb]http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens2201405_1223052332PSNcard.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Not everyone used those in paranoia that a major corporation would get hacked this bad. That's only what you should use from now on.
Besides, if you gave them your information, even just once, they have it stored. And this also relates to your personal data, which is not solved with a Prepaid PSN card.
[QUOTE=Speed Of Dark;29479857][img_thumb]http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens2201405_1223052332PSNcard.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately those weren't out when I started wanting to buy shit from the PSN, and when they did come out most of the time the stores I go to didn't carry them.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29479766]Yeah, you should all be happy that the servers are down, they are fixing them. However, you should be extremely furious with Sony for their negligence in securing your personal data. I can see a class action lawsuit on the horizon. (Alot more of those these days.)[/QUOTE]
Why would I be furious at just them? Am I disappointed? Yes, but the fact that they got hacked wasn't entirely their fault and while they should have handled my data better I'm not so petty as to curse them into oblivion. This could have happened to anyone, but the fact that it happened to Sony so shortly after the geohot debacle everyone seems fit to just throw them off a cliff.
I'd like to think that Sony isn't a soulless evil entity and that they are being honest with us even if they did kinda drop the ball in letting us know in a timely fashion.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Yukinari;29479806]Funny how the same company who made the PS1 and all its glory now does this to me, very sloppy online services that fail in comparison to what i expect, good thing i never got Playstation+.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, how dare they be hacked! Philistines!
The hackers did this to you not Sony. Sony is guilty of nothing more than lack luster security and poor response time.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;29479951]
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Why would I be furious at just them? Am I disappointed? Yes, but the fact that they got hacked wasn't entirely their fault and while they should have handled my data better I'm not so petty as to curse them into oblivion. This could have happened to anyone, but the fact that it happened to Sony so shortly after the geohot debacle everyone seems fit to just throw them off a cliff.
I'd like to think that Sony isn't a soulless evil entity and that they are being honest with us even if they did kinda drop the ball in letting us know in a timely fashion.[/QUOTE]
They let you know as soon as they knew, they didn't drop the ball there at all. I really hoped I wouldn't have to explain this in detail. Sony got hacked, they didn't notify you at the time, because hacks happen all the time and it wasn't any of your business.
They hired a team to figure out what happened. The team finds out about a week after the initial hack that the server that holds your credit card and personal information was hacked. Now it's your business. Now they are required by law to let you know, and as a company probably would anyways. So they do.
And you say that it's not entirely their fault, but nobody is saying it is. The person who hacked them is to blame, however Sony was completely negligent with securing the data. Your information got stolen because they neglected to secure it properly. I don't know about you, but I am pretty sure if I had the personal and financial data of a few million people I would encrypt it with AES. Which, as I should note that anyone can do that with open source software, for no cost at all. All Sony would have to do is tell one of their server admins to do it.
tl;dr It's like Sony runs a convenience store, and instead of putting all the cash in a safe, they decided to to lock it in the broom closet, without even a deadbolt.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;29479951]The hackers did this to you not Sony. Sony is guilty of nothing more than lack luster security and poor response time.[/QUOTE]
I did just say sloppy online services, which is not only the online play but also their security, its a mess all together.
All their constant system updates, for what? Nothing.
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29480204]They let you know as soon as they knew, they didn't drop the ball there at all. I really hoped I wouldn't have to explain this in detail. Sony got hacked, they didn't notify you at the time, because hacks happen all the time and it wasn't any of your business.
They hired a team to figure out what happened. The team finds out about a week after the initial hack that the server that holds your credit card and personal information was hacked. Now it's your business. Now they are required by law to let you know, and as a company probably would anyways. So they do.
And you say that it's not entirely their fault, but nobody is saying it is. The person who hacked them is to blame, however Sony was completely negligent with securing the data. Your information got stolen because they neglected to secure it properly. I don't know about you, but I am pretty sure if I had the personal and financial data of a few million people I would encrypt it with AES. Which, as I should note that anyone can do that with open source software, for no cost at all. All Sony would have to do is tell one of their server admins to do it.
tl;dr It's like Sony runs a convenience store, and instead of putting all the cash in a safe, they decided to to lock it in the broom closet, without even a deadbolt.[/QUOTE]
Was there any reason to rate me dumb beyond you being a faggot? I know ratings don't matter and I shouldn't care but I fail to see how anything I said was inherently dumb. Slightly incorrect maybe, but not straight up dumb.
And yeah, I have seen people blame Sony for everything.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Yukinari;29480324]I did just say sloppy online services, which is not only the online play but also their security, its a mess all together.
All their constant system updates, for what? Nothing.[/QUOTE]
Hurr
system updates =/= internal PSN network updates
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;29480369]Was there any reason to rate me dumb beyond you being a faggot? I know ratings don't matter but I fail to see how anything I said was inherently dumb. Slightly incorrect maybe, but not straight up dumb.
And yeah, I have seen people blame Sony for everything.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Hurr
system updates =/= internal PSN network updates[/QUOTE]
Because you said they dropped the ball on letting you know it happened, which is the only place where they didn't drop the ball. And if ratings actually mattered I wouldn't have rated you that, next time i'll pointlessly rate you as artistic. There is also no need for homophobic remarks. I assure you I am heterosexual.
I'm saying that they left everything out in the open for the taking. That said, this attack wasn't simple. It's not like somebody found their server, guessed the password, and then copied everything over. This was a complex attack that took days to plan and execute, whoever did this was able to break the encryption on their credit card database, which means they could have done the same thing for their personal information.
But Sony leaving the personal information completely unencrypted like that was just negligent. Whoever stole the credit card information now has your name, username, password, phone number, birthday, security questions, and email. Even though they do, there is no feasible way to use those 77 million records all at once, it probably will affect less than 1% of the users.
[QUOTE=Wastedfate;29480554]Because you said they dropped the ball on letting you know it happened, which is the only place where they didn't drop the ball. And if ratings actually mattered I wouldn't have rated you that, next time i'll pointlessly rate you as artistic. There is also no need for homophobic remarks. I assure you I am heterosexual.
I'm saying that they left everything out in the open for the taking. That said, this attack wasn't simple. It's not like somebody found their server, guessed the password, and then copied everything over. This was a complex attack that took days to plan and execute, whoever did this was able to break the encryption on their credit card database, which means they could have done the same thing for their personal information.
But Sony leaving the personal information completely unencrypted like that was just negligent. Whoever stole the credit card information now has your name, username, password, phone number, birthday, security questions, and email. Even though they do, there is no feasible way to use those 50 million records all at once, it probably will affect less than 1% of the users.[/QUOTE]
So because of one thing I'm a hopeless fucking idiot? I'd have to say... NO.
Protip: Faggot has multiple meanings in this day and age. I used it in the "annoying cunt" sense.
I thought an obviously super smart guy like you would have known that.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;29480634]So because of one thing I'm a hopeless fucking idiot? I'd have to say... NO.
Protip: Faggot has multiple meanings in this day and age. I used it in the "annoying cunt" sense.
I thought an obviously super smart guy like you would have known that.[/QUOTE]
I never said your a hopeless idiot, I simply clicked the button that says dumb. For some reason you seem to care too much about ratings, if you want to discuss this, feel free to pm or email me, this it not the time nor the place for flame wars.
So you clicked it for no reason? I doubt that.
I like to know why people give me what they did, and unfortunately that means talking about it, GO FIGURE! I then use their response to gauge whether or not it is justified, and quite frankly I think you're a bit full of yourself.
Curiosity is my vice.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;29480721]So you clicked it for no reason? I doubt that.
I like to know why people give me what they did, and unfortunately that means talking about it, GO FIGURE! I then use their response to gauge whether or not it is justified, and quite frankly I think you're a bit full of yourself.
Curiosity is my vice.[/QUOTE]
You worry about whether or not the ratings people give you are justified? Your post is in a thread about PSN in a forum about Garry'smod, you should learn to not care.
As I said before, this is the wrong place to discuss this, please PM me, or email me.
No.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
I'm also fully aware of where I am thank you very much.
I think the major lesson to be learned from all of this is not simply just to generalize everyone who gave Sony the benefit of the doubt as being "idiots", we as the consumers don't deserve that. We should be able to expect companies have measures in place to protect it's customers. It's moreso to never trust any company with your information, [I]ever[/I], as being in your best interests or simply accepting they're capable of keeping said information unattainable.
We live in a day and age where if someone wants your information, there is, and always will be a way to obtain it, however maliciously they're capable of; unless you stay off the grid completely, which is impossible. Birth certificate, Social Security, you know, if you want a life, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;29480950]I think the major lesson to be learned from all of this is not simply just to generalize everyone who gave Sony the benefit of the doubt as being "idiots", why should they be? We should be able to expect companies have measures in place to protect. It's moreso never trust any company with your information, [I]ever[/I], as being in your best interests or simply accepting they're capable of keeping said information unattainable.
We live in a day and age where if someone wants your information, there is, and always will be a way to obtain it, however maliciously they have means to get it; unless you stay off the grid completely, which is impossible. Birth certificate, Social Security, you know, if you want a life, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
But that's no excuse for them to not encrypt sensitive user data. Safes can be cracked, banks still keep your money in them, because it's safer there. By providing you a service in exchange for your personal information, it's then up to Sony to keep it safe, and they didn't do a very good job.
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