Heroes of Newerth - Insta-lock Scout, level Codex to 5 - Games

[QUOTE=suppertime;28889724]Rats go away you're bad at lol and you won't even commit to HoN :\ I think I'm ready to do some TMM with you guys after watching that War Beast jungle game. IE I feel like I can comfortably play around your skill [editline]30th March 2011[/editline] I found out what the storekeeper does. He fucking rocks out. I'm just alt tabbed afking then he starts going at it. S2 has personality that's for sure. [b]I just wish misspudding's voice wasn't rage inducing.[/b][/QUOTE] Oh no you didn't bitch.

My HoN name is FreddiRox. If your lonely and need a Teamspeak, join ts.nisd.dk, most of us play HoN there.

[QUOTE=DjPebbles;28892202]You haven't said anything like he did, if you thought that's what we were talking about, maybe you should say that. I asked for a carry better than flint, and hag can't outcarry a flint, except mid game. Then you could have pointed that out, but that's kind of obvious. [URL=http://img713.imageshack.us/i/dumpsterb.jpg/][img_thumb]http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4461/dumpsterb.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL][/QUOTE] I don't see why you have to get so pissy with me. Flint is still an awful hero that shouldn't be picked over other ranged carries. I hated Dwarven sniper, and I hate Flint.

[QUOTE=Ninja_Blue;28894359]I don't see why you have to get so pissy with me. Flint is still an awful hero that shouldn't be picked over other ranged carries. I hated Dwarven sniper, and I hate Flint.[/QUOTE] And that's why your 1450.

[QUOTE=Ninja_Blue;28894359]I don't see why you have to get so pissy with me. Flint is still an awful hero that shouldn't be picked over other ranged carries. I hated Dwarven sniper, and I hate Flint.[/QUOTE] But does your personal hate make the decision of the entire meta-game? I highly doubt it. While you state that flint is outcarried, it's basically because many carries can 1v1 Flint at some point. However Flint's range and ability to take kills without putting himself in danger is what makes the hero. A good flint is much harder to kill in a teamfight than alot of other carries, and thats why he's indeed a viable hero.

[QUOTE=DjPebbles;28894679]And that's why your 1450.[/QUOTE] Maybe the best example of how the HoN community logic works, you can't express your views without being told (lol, 1500 scrub your whole argument is now invalid). Have a nice debate, reason the case and not the person. On-topic: Flint is a good hero for those who can play it (seen people taking over games with him), I personally do not like him though.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;28895261]Maybe the best example of how the HoN community logic works, you can't express your views without being told (lol, 1500 scrub your whole argument is now invalid). Have a nice debate, reason the case and not the person. On-topic: Flint is a good hero for those who can play it (seen people taking over games with him), I personally do not like him though.[/QUOTE] I told him several times, he just doesn't seem to read what i'm writing, or anyone else here.

People don't like certain heroes because of reputation, rather than the hero itself. EG: Scout & Nighthound don't participate in team fights and kill steal. Flint, Witch Slayer & Pyromancer kill steal with ults. By the way, is anyone online at the moment? Fancy playing some games after weeks of LoL. :smith:

I miss you Thief :(

I keep losing, even if I'm raping.....I can't keep make sure that not every single one of the enemy team doesn't get farmed... Fucking annoying in 1400 tier.. [img]http://gyazo.com/e60a125de443b52f6c50f50d2e701294.png[/img]

[QUOTE=DjPebbles;28888698]What the hell are you talking about? There's no way a hag can outcarry a flint anyday, if they have the same farm, and it's going late game. Hag carries in an entirely different way that flint does, you rely on her ultimate, and sonar screams, and slows. How can you compare those two, and even say a hag carries better? She's definately better mid game, because she's a semi-carry, and she is one of the best int spell based carries lategame, but seriously. If flint gets a shrunken, there's no way hag can do ANYTHING to him, and THAT is why flint is so much better a carry than her, if they both have the same farm, and the same amount of skill, there's no way that a flint will get overcarried by a hag on the opposite team. I dont know what rating you are, but it can't be that great.[/QUOTE] you see this is where i think we disagree. hag doesn't rely on her nukes to carry, she relies on her blink. the nukes are certainly not to be overlooked, of course, as bat blast is probably the deadliest AoE if used properly. at least the way i build a carry hag, the autoattack is doing the most focused damage by the very end of the game and shrunken head means nothing if i can tag you with hellflower before you can get it off. if you do use your shrunken before getting within range, i can always blink out and focus another target. the problem i find with flint is while yes, he has incredible last-hitting and harassment capabilities, that's really all he has. in big team battles he's going to be relying on his auto-attack alone to do his damage, and flare i guess but that only does so much. his ultimate isn't really viable in a hectic team battle and will often only net kills once they're out of experience range (this i'm really not too certain of, so don't quote me on it). otherwise he has no escape mechanism, making him a perfect target for ganks. unless if the team is hugging flint's ass to make sure he's babysat up until his point of potential, there's [I]no reason[/I] he should be getting an effective farm unless if his opponents just don't know how to gank. but yes. a flint getting the exact same farm as a hag will probably out-carry a hag in more situations than not, if both players are experienced and know how to build and play their heroes as such. the thing is, flint getting that same farm is just so much harder to pull off without [I]good[/I] support.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;28896165]I keep losing, even if I'm raping.....I can't keep make sure that not every single one of the enemy team doesn't get farmed... Fucking annoying in 1400 tier.. [img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/e60a125de443b52f6c50f50d2e701294.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Dont play heroes like zephyr, get a semi-carry, go mid, rape him, gank 24/7, concede at 15-20. Thats how you boost to atleast 1600, and then play with good players.

Most agi carries rely on auto attacks due to their damage.

[QUOTE=Rct33;28896893]Most agi carries rely on auto attacks due to their damage.[/QUOTE] they rely on auto-attacks to do their damage, but most carry heroes such as scout and chronos probably couldn't carry without vanish and time leap/chronosphere respectively.

Every time I want to abandon this game for good because of all the morons. I end up in a game full of good people. Had a great 50 minute game as the Pyromancer.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;28898125]Every time I want to abandon this game for good because of all the morons. I end up in a game full of good people. Had a great 50 minute game as the Pyromance[b]R[/b].[/QUOTE] Fixed

Hey, there's a person who works for S2 that uses FP. Could someone invite me to the FP Clan? How many people are in it?

[QUOTE=DjPebbles;28894679]And that's why your 1450.[/QUOTE] Just played a premade with my clan, got randomed Flint. Go 5-0. Enemy team concedes. Welp, guess I'm wrong. Also, you're*. [editline]30th March 2011[/editline] Also, why must my MMR be such a factor? I lost a bunch of games due to people thinking all carries was a good idea, proceeding to rage-quit before even dying, and being forced to CC. Slowly working my way up in MMR. OH BOY AM I JUST THE WORST

That's how HoN works, if you can't carry a team of baddies, you are bad. Hence why I'm terrible. :v:

I don't like the idea of MMR being the new PSR, it seems much easier to get left with retards in Match Making.

Can I get a list of good heroes for new people?

[url]http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=183454[/url] Only one of those I've played is Keeper, and he is pretty fun.

Thunderbringer is a fairly good starting hero, while a lot of the 'easier' heroes are squishy, it allows you to learn to avoid getting caught. The single target nukes of TB are easy to use and his item build is fairly simple: 2 Talisman's of Exile, Boots, Spellshards level 1, 2, 3 and SOTM if you last that long.

Playing as Forsaken Archer in a 5v5 nostat game for new people. 30 min into the game, it's 3v5, and some douche on the other team has played over 900 games(!) Of course I got insulted non-stop. As usual.

[QUOTE=The Great Ghast;28902310]Playing as Forsaken Archer in a 5v5 nostat game for new people. 30 min into the game, it's 3v5, and some douche on the other team has played over 900 games(!) Of course I got insulted non-stop. As usual.[/QUOTE] Yeah the hon community is great, glad I am one. brb joining a nostat game while on the phone with blizzard support 40 apm time

If you guys want to play a little practice game, join the Clan Face Punch channel. It's late here, so I'm up for some teaching rather than actual playing. :v:

[QUOTE=pvt.meh;28901001]That's how HoN works, if you can't carry a team of baddies, you are bad. Hence why I'm terrible. :v:[/QUOTE] IMO being a pro support player is harder than being a pro carry, because you're expected to: -ward/counterward and buy/up courier -keep up sufficient farm so that you don't die every two seconds but are also buying support items if required for the hero/situation -not steal farm/kills from basically anyone else -be present while staying alive in teamfights and all of these (sans first point) are [i]a lot[/i] easier said than done in most cases.

Nevermind, before a game started blizzard had helped me. Wow.

[QUOTE=suppertime;28903481]Nevermind, before a game started blizzard had helped me. Wow.[/QUOTE] you're lying

I was kidding, I play support most of the time. 3.6 average ward count. :frog: