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[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;30907157]Legion and HK-47 get into a fight, who wins?[/QUOTE] HK. I'm sorry, I love Legion as much as the next ME fan, but nothing will ever rival getting HK on Tatooine. Talk about a brobot.

[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;30906802]I hope legion gets some nice screentime beyond that one mission.[/QUOTE] I'm still hoping he's a squadmate. If I can't have Wrex or Mordin then I better be able to have that sexy robot with me. Also on the subject of HK vs. Legion, sorry HK I fucking love you, but if it was an actual fight then Legion would probably be able to instantly murder HK with the Widow as soon as the fight started.

HK definitely. He would probably just find the geth platform for Legion and blow up the collective so Legion wouldn't be connected to anything so he would be retarded. [editline]4th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESS MEHRINE;30907434]I'm still hoping he's a squadmate. If I can't have Wrex or Mordin then I better be able to have that sexy robot with me. Also on the subject of HK vs. Legion, sorry HK I fucking love you, but if it was an actual fight then Legion would probably be able to instantly murder HK with the Widow as soon as the fight started.[/QUOTE] Just activate his assassination protocol and HK would wipe the floor with him.

I thought we were talking about this guy? [img]http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content08/hunter-killer.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;30906802]I hope legion gets some nice screentime beyond that one mission.[/QUOTE] During one of the E3 previews/interviews they show Legion on a ship with, I think, Han'Gerrel with holograms of The Migrant Fleet in orbit of a planet (most likely Rannoch)

[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;30907439]HK definitely. He would probably just find the geth platform for Legion and blow up the collective so Legion wouldn't be connected to anything so he would be retarded. [/QUOTE] Legion isn't like a normal geth that has to be networked to multiply other geth to achieve sentience, Legion is made up of more than a 1000 individual geth programs that allow him to operate independently of the rest of the collective. He is in constant contact with the rest of the geth to relay information, but disconnecting him from the collective wouldn't affect his intelligence.

[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;30907726]During one of the E3 previews/interviews they show Legion on a ship with, I think, Han'Gerrel with holograms of The Migrant Fleet in orbit of a planet (most likely Rannoch)[/QUOTE] This one is going crazy thinking about what is going on

Also the fact that infantry weapons in KOTOR are ass. All Legion has to do is sit back 50m from HK and he can't do shit.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;30907755]Also the fact that infantry weapons in KOTOR are ass. All Legion has to do is sit back 50m from HK and he can't do shit.[/QUOTE] Are we dealing with out-of-game HK or in-game HK? Since I remember hearing he was able to make precision shots from 120km away.

[QUOTE=SPESS MEHRINE;30907730]Legion isn't like a normal geth that has to be networked to multiply other geth to achieve sentience, Legion is made up of more than a 1000 individual geth programs that allow him to operate independently of the rest of the collective. He is in constant contact with the rest of the geth to relay information, but disconnecting him from the collective wouldn't affect his intelligence.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression there was a ton of geth on a separate platform that he was connected to, and would that link be destroyed, he wouldn't function properly.

[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;30907983]I was under the impression there was a ton of geth on a separate platform that he was connected to, and would that link be destroyed, he wouldn't function properly.[/QUOTE] Nope. The whole point of the moving platform designated Legion is that he does not require a neural network in order to think intelligently. He frequently is away from FTL comms with the rest of the Geth so it's not a big deal.

Nope, Legion was designed to operate completely on his own. Quoted from the Mass Effect Wiki: [quote]Legion is a unique geth mobile platform, designed to operate outside the Perseus Veil and interact with organics directly. To that purpose, it houses 1,183 geth programs, as opposed to the one hundred in other platforms, enabling it to operate independently and speak.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30905522]The problem is that they also tried to use the Mass Effect treatment on something that was more or less supposed to be Baldur's Gate 21st century edition, Dragon Age excelled at being a hardcore classic Fantasy RPG, and it's sales represented that.[/QUOTE] Well, DA:O sold so well due to marketing convincing everyone that it's Baulder's Gate successor. Which it was not. [QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30905887]After having a nice debate with someone on Steam, we came to the conclusion that Bioware being bought by EA was the single worst thing to ever happen to it. I do not have any doubts about Bioware's ability to create amazing games, but I do have an inkling they're gradually going to be churning progressively worse games (or, at least games that aren't geared towards their RPG roots) by their new corporate overlords.[/QUOTE] Relax. BioWare [i]is[/i] EA's RPG developer. EA has plenty of dev studios for everything else. Besides, it's just naive to think that ME2 would ever happen with the original BioWare's budget. At least how it turned out to be, and not the terrible product that it's alpha was. Anyone remember the Flux encounter scene?

[QUOTE=SPESS MEHRINE;30908044]Nope, Legion was designed to operate completely on his own. Quoted from the Mass Effect Wiki:[/QUOTE] I'm thinking Legion was designed to be the geth's version of a Spectre or a scout or something.

[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;30908472]I'm thinking Legion was designed to be the geth's version of a Spectre or a scout or something.[/QUOTE] Legion was originally created to track down Shepard, but after it found out that Shepard was dead it took on new missions, such as retrieving the Heretic's virus from the derelict reaper. [quote=Mass Effect wiki]It was created and dispatched following Commander Shepard's destruction of the Old Machine "Nazara", known to the rest of the galaxy as the Reaper Sovereign, investigating several of the worlds Shepard visited — Eden Prime, Therum, Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos, and a dozen uncharted worlds. Eventually it found the Normandy's crash site on the planet Alchera, salvaging a piece of Shepard's N7 armor and incorporating it into itself to repair damage sustained on Eden Prime after being shot by Alliance soldiers.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30902626]I think I'll get nauseous if that's the actual reason TIM is siding with the Reapers, would totally turn me off to Bioware games from then on.[/QUOTE] Funny, strange how you were just praising how ultra excellent the supposedly "new and unique" direction of making humans the heroes was, (protip, the only populist sci-fi where humans were bad guys in recent memory has been Avatar, and pretty much nothing else, so much for innovation) and how it was so awesome, now one direction of dialog from a secondary at best antagonist can make you quit the entire [i]company?...[/i] ah, fetishist fanboys and their sacred cows. [editline]5th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=phaedon;30908145]Well, DA:O sold so well due to marketing convincing everyone that it's Baulder's Gate successor. Which it was not. Relax. BioWare [i]is[/i] EA's RPG developer. EA has plenty of dev studios for everything else. Besides, it's just naive to think that ME2 would ever happen with the original BioWare's budget. At least how it turned out to be, and not the terrible product that it's alpha was. Anyone remember the Flux encounter scene?[/QUOTE] Yeah, maybe you need to read the new Ziff Davis interview by the Brothers before saying completely unbased things. BW is not the company it used to be and it's never going to be again. It is a corporate asset, and the commoditization of games hasn't gone unnoticed by the people who run the company. BW is rapidly becoming a service provider, not a storyteller, because that's what keeps the company intact. It's the same cycle that happens to every company that reaches that size, and is neither new nor unprecedented, and BW isn't magically immune from financial and logistical concerns.

Wait, wait, wait. Vega is a character that joins you at the start...I think we all know what happens to those guys. :sadowns: :sadownsduetolackofsadowns:

It's been stated that he is a party member, I don't think he'll be a Jenkins.

I personally love the new Liara. Vega looks silly as hell though.

Vega is on steroids, there are Krogan smaller than him. Clenched fists, stupid ass mohawk, boots like steel blocks, guy's gotta have some masculinity issues.

I really want to see what crazy tie-ins ME3 will have with other EA tittles.

When you are doing Legion's loyalty mission, he says the geth base wouldn't have windows because it's a structural weakness, but even if they didn't have windows, surely they would have something to see outside the bade, such as a camera or something? Also, you can travel at ftl speeds, why don't the have automated fish feeders?

Goddamn it, I missed another hatefest [editline]0[/editline] [QUOTE=shatteredwindow;30909616]When you are doing Legion's loyalty mission, he says the geth base wouldn't have windows because it's a structural weakness, but even if they didn't have windows, surely they would have something to see outside the bade, such as a camera or something? Also, you can travel at ftl speeds, why don't the have automated fish feeders?[/QUOTE] Some things are best left unchanged. [editline]0[/editline] Such as not cleaning out the dead fish

[QUOTE=Prism;30909648]Goddamn it, I missed another hatefest[/QUOTE] Don't worry, there will be another soon enough.

[QUOTE=imadaman;30905350] They do, or at least an equivalent of it.[/QUOTE] I thought Asari literally "Mindfucked" their partners, as to why you die when tryna bone morinth.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30905307]That is EXACTLY my problem. I don't remember which Bioware executive said it, but the quote was "Mass Effect 3 is a great entry point for new players!" That was literally the worst videogame-related quote I've heard in a good long while, and I include just about everything Bobby Kotick has said.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DX_V;30905408]I heard Casey Hudson say that multiple times at E3, i'm not very pleased at that being the selling point. But again, maybe they're just not selling it well. I'm not concerned with other players being penalized for not playing the previous games, i'm concerned that the people who [i]did[/i] play them will be 'forgotten' about in an effort to up sales and draw in the shooter crowd.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=27X;30908910]Yeah, maybe you need to read the new Ziff Davis interview by the Brothers before saying completely unbased things. BW is not the company it used to be and it's never going to be again. It is a corporate asset, and the commoditization of games hasn't gone unnoticed by the people who run the company. BW is rapidly becoming a service provider, not a storyteller, because that's what keeps the company intact. It's the same cycle that happens to every company that reaches that size, and is neither new nor unprecedented, and BW isn't magically immune from financial and logistical concerns.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;30905468]Well they did say Origins was meant to introduce the world incase they got to make any future games. And DA2 only got 18 months development time. If they get a good 2-3 years to work on 3 it could be really good. If not it'll be DA2 2, which would suck.[/QUOTE] DA2' main/core problem never was the time limit (though they used the same layout for all of their dungeons), in my opinion they simply put the core fanbase off by changing so many aspects of the game, like the JRPG'esque combat and the transformer-like enemy at the end, it was outright ridiculous. Think of the mage's combat moves and his staff spinning like a freaking maniac. I can see similar things happening to ME3 and the new combat moves show it quite well, looks as if they are aiming to impress a totally new audience with that again. Don't fix something that is not broken I say. Yet they keep experimenting with elements out of other games and force them into the series like there is no tomorrow. The characters either seem to be to boring or unattractive so they get mini-skirts or vinyl clothing if a girl or hulk/brute like GoW armour if a bloke. I could bother about more important things than BW's distorted perception of what they think we terribly want in this game and start to bring up the argument that they are honestly having a whole team working on Tali's unmasking. What's the point again when half of the players have probably totally different expectations of what a Quarian looks like? Just because there is a crowd of neckbeards on BW social making 10k of threads about her doesn't mean that she is that important and I don't want the picture of the whole race being changed just because some people got a weird crush over her. Quarians don't have to look beautiful, that's what Asari were designed for with their strippers and all other aspects. Not another Mary-Sue race with perfect looks, please. I can understand it nonetheless, they just want to get the largest audience possible. Despite of my rage, I'm surprised so many other people here share the same doubts and fears about ME3 with BW's current marketing and design policy, and if it's only to a certain extent. I don't want to be buzzkiller, just having my concerns. I hope someone understands it [img]http://i.imgur.com/QO98V.png[/img] /rant

[QUOTE=keroba;30910090]DA2' main/core problem never was the time limit (they used the same layout for all of their dungeons), in my opinion they put the core fanbase off by changing so many aspects of the game. I can see similar things happening to ME3 and the new combat moves show it quite well that they are aiming to impress a totally new audience with that. Don't fix something that is not broken I say. Yet they keep experimenting with elements out of other games and force them into the series like there is no tomorrow. The characters either seem to be to boring or unattractive so they get mini-skirts or vinyl clothing if a girl or hulk/brute like GoW armour if a bloke. I could bother about more important things than BW's distorted perception of what they think we terribly want in this game and start to bring up the argument that they are honestly having a whole team working on Tali's unmasking. WHat's the point when half of the players have probably totally different expectations of what a Quarian looks like? Just because there is a crowd of neckbeards on BW social making 10k of threads about her she isn't that important and I don't want the picture f the whole race being changed just because some people got a crush on her. They don't have to look beautiful, that's what Asari are already there for. Not another Mary-Sue race with perfect looks. Despite of my rage, I'm surprised so many other people here share the same doubts and fears about ME3 with BW's current marketing and design policy. /rant[/QUOTE] Stop. Fucking. Freaking. Out. About. The. Combat. Fuck. The combat is almost IDENTICAL to the ME2 combat system which was, I think we'll all agree, an IMMENSE improvement over ME1. The only difference between the ME2 combat system and ME3 is added verticality (I fail to see how this is a bad thing), reintroduction of grenades (I fail to see how this is a bad thing), better movement; Shepard is more agile and can roll, etc (... I fail to see how this a bad thing), and the omni-blade/psionic-blade/etc (... again, I fail to see how this is a bad thing). Other than that the general combat mechanics are the same. Run at enemy and assault it until it dies using either bullets/tech powers/biotic powers/a combination thereof. Same as ME2 and same as ME1. Just now it's even more refined. So stop fucking freaking out at every little fucking thing when you don't know what you even want in the god damn first place. You all complained about elevators in ME1, so BioWare removed them in ME2... then you all complained that loading screens were boring and that you wanted elevators back! So tell me, tell the developers, as fans... what do you, what do we as a group fucking want?! Why must everyone be so god damn inconsistent?! So stop freaking out, the game is probably gonna be entirely fine, you'll probably all love it. I doubt BioWare - I doubt Casey Hudson - is going to allow EA to severely fuck up Mass Effect 3.

[QUOTE=sltungle;30910356]Stop. Fucking. Freaking. Out. About. The. Combat. Fuck. (I fail to see how this is a bad thing) (I fail to see how this is a bad thing) (... I fail to see how this a bad thing) (... again, I fail to see how this is a bad thing). So stop fucking freaking out at every little fucking thing You all complained about... then you all complained what do you, what do we as a group fucking want?! So stop freaking out fuck up[/QUOTE] /content no I didn't complain about the mako, elevators, loading screens, the hammerhead, etc undermining someone by making him look like a dumb hater and using tons of swear words is a cheap way to win an argument, i was simply expressing some concerns

[QUOTE=keroba;30910402]/content no I didn't complain about the mako, elevators, loading screens, the hammerhead, etc undermining someone by making him look like dumb hater and using tons of swear words is a cheap way to win an argument, i was simply expressing some concerns[/QUOTE] It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at everyone who's freaking out unreasonably, you just happened to be the most recent example of someone doing so. I'm not calling you dumb: I'm calling you unreasonable. You're jumping to huge conclusions with very little basis. And I'm Scottish, so I swear like a fucking sailor anyway.

[QUOTE=sltungle;30910618]It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at everyone who's freaking out unreasonably, you just happened to be the most recent example of someone doing so. I'm not calling you dumb: I'm calling you unreasonable. You're jumping to huge conclusions with very little basis. And I'm Scottish, so I swear like a fucking sailor anyway.[/QUOTE] sorry, my fault then. it's hard to tell sometimes to whom an argument is directed to. sure, I'm unreasonable sometimes, it's just because I'm a huge fanboy for everything related to mass effect.