Mass Effect Megathread - Ah, yes, titles. We have dismissed that claim
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Well, assigning Garrus as leader of the other team got us through the doors with everyone alive.
But jeez, ever since installing The Arrival, the game has been unstable as hell. Every other time I select something from the squad bar up top, it crashes. Just like it did when I used Unity during the Long Walk to revive Jack.
Oh god, I just went to the discussion page for TIM on the ME wiki. I know that they've been hard on preventing the page being linked to Jack Harper's, but everyone against it is pretty much going "LALALALA NOPE WE'RE RIGHT".
It's him, they look the same, have the same history, even have the same modifications.
Dammit why can't I just give that Krogan the fish and make him happy.
Why does it have to be a Renegade thing where Shepard extorts the poor fella
[QUOTE=tommo400;30597310]Dammit why can't I just give that Krogan the fish and make him happy.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa8_lEHA9Fw#t=1m54s]Breaks my heart.[/url]
This is the peak of the Miranda romance. The sappy love scene, the gratuitous engine room fuck, shit compared to telling her to fuck her genetics, pissing her off about the Illusive man and then messing with her head some more.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFd2EIQV6o[/media]
Yeah well that's like
your opinion man.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;30590422]Slowly but surely Mass Effect is turning into Ass Effect: The Intergalactic Porno.
It's got everything: Gay sex, straight sex, lesbian sex, alien sex, etc. And soon, the whole Normandy will turn into a massive orgy![/QUOTE]
It's just making sure all the demographics are represented. Tits are boring.
Also, it was also a tad hypocritical as there was lesbian romps in the first two games without putting in gay ones aswell, so this is their attempt to remedy that.
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;30598147]It's just making sure all the demographics are represented. Tits are boring.
Also, it was also a tad hypocritical as there was lesbian romps in the first two games without putting in gay ones aswell, so this is their attempt to remedy that.[/QUOTE]
I think bioware should just make a dating sim to get all the fucking romance out of their system and focus on making a good game
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"My parents were test tubes..."
Should I get ME2?
I've gotten a little cash recently and even though my combo of natural selection 2 and battlefield 2 is solid, I've been wanting a diffrent experience, so it's eather getting ME2 or reinstalling saints row 2.
[QUOTE=alphatwo;30598607]Should I get ME2?
I've gotten a little cash recently and even though my combo of natural selection 2 and battlefield 2 is solid, I've been wanting a diffrent experience, so it's eather getting ME2 or reinstalling saints row 2.[/QUOTE]
You could wait a few days to see if the Summer sale does go ahead, but sure get it if you want.
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;30598147]It's just making sure all the demographics are represented. Tits are boring.
Also, it was also a tad hypocritical as there was lesbian romps in the first two games without putting in gay ones aswell, so this is their attempt to remedy that.[/QUOTE]
The romances were fine when they were just a side quest, something meant to add a little depth to the characters and maybe make you care more about the fate of the universe. But now it just seems like the romances are the reason some people buy the damn games, like the fact that all the characters aren't available for a romance somehow damages the fucking game. I'm all for gay romances in games for those that want them, but so far it seems the only way Bioware is willing to do that is to have every single fucking character be available for some sort of romance option. Which makes the game seem more like a sci-fi dating sim rather than an epic. Which is why i'm against adding any new romances in the third and final game, even if the potential wasn't there for the writing team to pull a DA2 on us, it is supposed to be the final game of Shepard's tale. The Reapers are ripping apart the galaxy, I can maybe see Shepard and a past love interest having some affection in this game, realizing that the futures the wished for one another might never come to be. But to add in new romances in order to pander to the Bioware fanbase that just keeps asking for more and more fucking romance, is ridiculous. Ignoring all the other crap that Bioware seems to be doing in order to attract new players to the final game of the planned trilogy, adding in romance and being so blatant about it is silly as shit.
They should have had a gay option in the first game if they wanted to add one in, hell they could have pandered to the homosexual audience in ME2 if they wanted (why not the serviced every other fucking fanbase). But now? Is this really the time to be changing characters that have already been established, or adding in new romances when the story is about to end? Seems fucking dumb to me. Hell maybe Male Shepard is meant to be straight and FemShep is meant to be a little less 'oriented', that's what has been heavily implied throughout the series up to this point. It's sad that the romances have gone from the epitome of what an in-game romance should be to the gratuitous side quest of stereotypical lovey dovey bullshit put in to appease the fanfiction writing masses.
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Irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Doc_Fisherman;30598406]"My parents were test tubes..."[/QUOTE]
His father was the great Warlord Okeer, his line distilled from Kredak, Moro, Shiagur, Turg, Wrend, great Krogans. His family are the Krogan.
[QUOTE=DX_V;30598689]:rant:[/QUOTE]
Baldur's Gate let you romance just about any party member, and that game was fine. At least BG2
[QUOTE=DX_V;30598689]The romances were fine when they were just a side quest, something meant to add a little depth to the characters and maybe make you care more about the fate of the universe. But now it just seems like the romances are the reason some people buy the damn games, like the fact that all the characters aren't available for a romance somehow damages the fucking game. I'm all for gay romances in games for those that want them, but so far it seems the only way Bioware is willing to do that is to have every single fucking character be available for some sort of romance option. Which makes the game seem more like a sci-fi dating sim rather than an epic. Which is why i'm against adding any new romances in the third and final game, even if the potential wasn't there for the writing team to pull a DA2 on us, it is supposed to be the final game of Shepard's tale. The Reapers are ripping apart the galaxy, I can maybe see Shepard and a past love interest having some affection in this game, realizing that the futures the wished for one another might never come to be. But to add in new romances in order to pander to the Bioware fanbase that just keeps asking for more and more fucking romance, is ridiculous. Ignoring all the other crap that Bioware seems to be doing in order to attract new players to the final game of the planned trilogy, adding in romance and being so blatant about it is silly as shit.
They should have had a gay option in the first game if they wanted to add one in, hell they could have pandered to the homosexual audience in ME2 if they wanted (why not the serviced every other fucking fanbase). But now? Is this really the time to be changing characters that have already been established, or adding in new romances when the story is about to end? Seems fucking dumb to me. Hell maybe Male Shepard is meant to be straight and FemShep is meant to be a little less 'oriented', that's what has been heavily implied throughout the series up to this point. It's sad that the romances have gone from the epitome of what an in-game romance should be to the gratuitous side quest of stereotypical lovey dovey bullshit put in to appease the fanfiction writing masses.[/QUOTE]
There are two counterpoints I can think of to that argument. First, all the romances are still a sidequest and are entirely optional, as they always have been. Second, the addition of new romances, even in the finale, is just giving players new options. It certainly doesn't hurt the game; matter of fact, the only effect I can see from it is a bunch of happy fans. Let's say that, hypothetically, Jack becomes a bisexual romance option in Mass Effect 3. How does that hurt you?
Maybe I'm just being naive.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598757]There are two counterpoints I can think of to that argument. First, all the romances are still a sidequest and are entirely optional, as they always have been. Second, the addition of new romances, even in the finale, is just giving players new options. It certainly doesn't hurt the game; matter of fact, the only effect I can see from it is a bunch of happy fans. Let's say that, hypothetically, Jack becomes a bisexual romance option in Mass Effect 3. How does that hurt you?
Maybe I'm just being naive.[/QUOTE]
It hurts just because you just refuted his argument.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598757]There are two counterpoints I can think of to that argument. First, all the romances are still a sidequest and are entirely optional, as they always have been. Second, the addition of new romances, even in the finale, is just giving players new options. It certainly doesn't hurt the game; matter of fact, the only effect I can see from it is a bunch of happy fans. Let's say that, hypothetically, Jack becomes a bisexual romance option in Mass Effect 3. How does that hurt you?
Maybe I'm just being naive.[/QUOTE]
Because BW seems to be making all characters LIs for either gender and surgically removing any personality they once had.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598757]There are two counterpoints I can think of to that argument. First, all the romances are still a sidequest and are entirely optional, as they always have been. Second, the addition of new romances, even in the finale, is just giving players new options. It certainly doesn't hurt the game; matter of fact, the only effect I can see from it is a bunch of happy fans. Let's say that, hypothetically, Jack becomes a bisexual romance option in Mass Effect 3. How does that hurt you?
Maybe I'm just being naive.[/QUOTE]
Just like making almost every character in Dragon Age 2 a bisexual love interest made fans happy and resulted in them being deep, interesting characters.
In ME2 the Romances are completely separate from everything only coinciding with the story for their loyalty missions. In ME1 the human romances were a lot more intertwined.
Take Ash. Meet on Eden Prime and save uplift her from a shitty Colonial marine job to N7 work. When she goes too close to the Beacon, you push her out of the way and take the effect yourself, then she's there when you wake up on the Normandy. On Virmire you choose to save her over another one of your crew, someone you've known for a lot longer than her. When you're locked down on the Citadel, she comes and has a chat and gives you hope again. Because they were limited in who you could Romance, they could make it a lot more involved. With 6 different people, it's a little more difficult.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;30598875]In ME2 the Romances are completely separate from everything only coinciding with the story for their loyalty missions. In ME1 the human romances were a lot more intertwined.
Take Ash. Meet on Eden Prime and save uplift her from a shitty Colonial marine job to N7 work. When she goes too close to the Beacon, you push her out of the way and take the effect yourself, then she's there when you wake up on the Normandy. On Virmire you choose to save her over another one of your crew, someone you've known for a lot longer than her. [B]When you're locked down on the Citadel, she comes and has a chat and gives you hope again. Because they were limited in who you could Romance, they could make it a lot more involved. With 6 different people, it's a little more difficult.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's like they don't even care about making the romances detailed other then into a simple "say something, reveal love, say something else, done."
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;30598863]Because BW seems to be making all characters LIs for either gender and surgically removing any personality they once had.[/QUOTE]
How does making a character an LI remove their personality? From my point of view, the only ill effect from Garrus and Tali becoming LI's was the introduction of extremist Tali and Garrusmancers, but those extremist fans already existed.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30598864]Just like making almost every character in Dragon Age 2 a bisexual love interest made fans happy and resulted in them being deep, interesting characters.[/QUOTE]
Dragon Age 2 was a rushed game, pure and simple. That said, the fact that nearly all the characters were bisexual in no way made them bad characters. Mediocre writing made them bad characters.
That said, I still think Varric, Anders, Merrill and Aveline are great characters (especially Varric).
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598757]There are two counterpoints I can think of to that argument. First, all the romances are still a sidequest and are entirely optional, as they always have been. Second, the addition of new romances, even in the finale, is just giving players new options. It certainly doesn't hurt the game; matter of fact, the only effect I can see from it is a bunch of happy fans. Let's say that, hypothetically, Jack becomes a bisexual romance option in Mass Effect 3. How does that hurt you?
Maybe I'm just being naive.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it 'hurts' me in any way, just makes the experience seem a bit more gimmicky, it would take quite a bit for a romance to ruin a game. Like in Dragon Age 2, everyone hit on you one way or another. This wasn't threatening (to me, i've read that many people were offended by this on the Bioware boards for whatever reason) but it did make the whole experience seem a bit strange, like it was more of a joke rather than the beginning of a strong relationship or friendship. The same would go for Mass Effect 3, assuming Bioware writes the romance subplots as they have in the past, I could see everyone hitting on Shepard at some random point in what is meant to be the darkest point of the trilogy. Seems silly as hell, like Shepard is Duke Nukem all of a sudden and everyone wants on the ShepTrain.
I'm not saying it would ruin the entire game for me, they would have to do quite a bit to the romances for it to affect my overall view of the main plot, but it certainly would make it feel a little less genuine. I've still got the game pre-ordered and am hyped up on it as much as anyone else, I just don't see a reason to be adding in new romances at this stage. You're not being naive, I just don't agree with adding new romances in to appease fans. I disliked in in ME2, i'll dislike it in ME3.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;30598778]It hurts just because you just refuted his argument.[/QUOTE]
Alright, calm down there marvin.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598931]How does making a character an LI remove their personality? From my point of view, the only ill effect from Garrus and Tali becoming LI's was the introduction of extremist Tali and Garrusmancers, but those extremist fans already existed.[/QUOTE]
I believe what he is saying is that making a character 'bisexual' all of a sudden when they've had an implied sexuality over the course of two games, is cheap. There is no way to write that scenario that doesn't basically say, "lol I didn't tell you I was straight, so i'm not". It seems ridiculous, and it takes away from character depth. A well written character should have many things written into their background, one of those things is their sexuality.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30598909]It's like they don't even care about making the romances detailed other then into a simple "say something, reveal love, say something else, done."[/QUOTE]
What, one of your closer crew members comes to console you when you've just been completely disarmed, time of need and they're there for you.
It's not really about love either, it's about if you want to. True love and one special person is all bullshit, if you make an effort to get close to someone and don't fuck it up, it's not difficult. Not revealing love, building intimacy.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598931]How does making a character an LI remove their personality? From my point of view, the only ill effect from Garrus and Tali becoming LI's was the introduction of extremist Tali and Garrusmancers, but those extremist fans already existed.[/QUOTE]
Would you argue that Miranda or Jack as an LI in ME2 was better then Ashley as an LI in ME1?
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;30598931]Dragon Age 2 was a rushed game, pure and simple. That said, the fact that nearly all the characters were bisexual in no way made them bad characters. Mediocre writing made them bad characters.
That said, I still think Varric, Anders, Merrill and Aveline are great characters (especially Varric).[/QUOTE]
It didn't make them bad characters, it made them shallow characters. Just because you [I]can[/I] make every character into a bisexual love interest to pander to every demographic doesn't mean you should. The player character, not NPCs, should be moldable to that degree.
[QUOTE=DX_V;30598972]I don't know if it 'hurts' me in any way, just makes the experience seem a bit more gimmicky, it would take quite a bit for a romance to ruin a game. Like in Dragon Age 2, everyone hit on you one way or another. This wasn't threatening (to me, i've read that many people were offended by this on the Bioware boards for whatever reason) but it did make the whole experience seem a bit strange, like it was more of a joke rather than the beginning of a strong relationship or friendship. The same would go for Mass Effect 3, assuming Bioware writes the romance subplots as they have in the past, I could see everyone hitting on Shepard at some random point in what is meant to be the darkest point of the trilogy. Seems silly as hell, like Shepard is Duke Nukem all of a sudden and everyone wants on the ShepTrain.
I'm not saying it would ruin the entire game for me, they would have to do quite a bit to the romances for it to affect my overall view of the main plot, but it certainly would make it feel a little less genuine. I've still got the game pre-ordered and am hyped up on it as much as anyone else, I just don't see a reason to be adding in new romances at this stage. You're not being naive, I just don't agree with adding new romances in to appease fans. I disliked in in ME2, i'll dislike it in ME3.
I believe what he is saying is that making a character 'bisexual' all of a sudden when they've had an implied sexuality over the course of two games, is cheap. There is no way to write that scenario that doesn't basically say, "lol I didn't tell you I was straight, so i'm not". It seems ridiculous, and it takes away from character depth. A well written character should have many things written into their background, one of those things is their sexuality.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I suppose I think I can see where you're coming from. I definitely agree with your latter point that a sudden change in sexual orientation is nothing short of goofy. Now, did Bioware actually say that existing characters would now be bisexual, or did they just say there would be homosexual romances in general?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;30598999]What, one of your closer crew members comes to console you when you've just been completely disarmed, time of need and they're there for you.
It's not really about love either, it's about if you want to. True love and one special person is all bullshit, if you make an effort to get close to someone and don't fuck it up, it's not difficult. Not revealing love, building intimacy.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I was talking about some of the romance sub-plots in Mass Effect 2. With ME2 it sounded like they were making an effort in building a relationship, while the situation with ME1 seemed, as you said, resulted in a crew member coming to console you after they grounded your ship and basically gave a big FU to your arguments of the Reapers.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30599002]Would you argue that Miranda or Jack as an LI in ME2 was better then Ashley as an LI in ME1?[/QUOTE]
Not Miranda, but I could argue that the paragon Jack romance or the Tali romance is close to if not as good as Ashley's in ME1. Personally, I consider the romance to be a smooth transition from the events that transpired earlier in the game, heavily including the loyalty mission (and, in Tali's case, the events of Mass Effect 1 to some degree).
What I do think ME1 did better was that scene where the Normandy was grounded and your LI came to give you a quick pep talk. I missed that in ME2.
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