Bolt action can be reloaded pretty fastly with a good rifle and a skillful shooter.
[QUOTE=junker|154;30636633]Bolt action can be reloaded pretty fastly with a good rifle and a skillful shooter.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean "A bolt action rifle can be reloaded quite rapidly with a good rifle and a skillfull shooter."
Well, you get the point. I've seen some videos online with guys shooting at an immense rate.
Mostly with the Mosin Nagant.
[QUOTE=junker|154;30637119]Well, you get the point. I've seen some videos online with guys shooting at an immense rate.
Mostly with the Mosin Nagant.[/QUOTE]
I chose the kar 98 because that's what he was using on the Gametrailer videos.
[b]Edit:[/b]
Just saw Ramm post this on the RPS article,
[quote]Punkbuster will get along fine with the Steam overlay in RO2. We’ve got a guy from Punkbuster in our office right now doing a special integration for us to ensure this is not a problem for the game. Also keep in mind Punkbuster is an option for server admins, along with VAC and PBBans. We’re giving the server admins the best tools possible at their disposal to combat hackers, including a custom version of Punkbuster that can be configured to run at different security levels (i.e. less restrictive, more restrictive, etc). Options are a good thing![/quote]
So expect Punkbuster to work fine with the steam overlay
Suddenly, thousands of posts on SPUF complaining about punkbuster kicking them out on release day.
I think it's silly to say reloading or the bolt pull is too fast. For one the cycling of a bolt can be extremely fast, Call of Duty makes it look slow TBH, while the same goes for reloading. I do think, though, that there should definitely be a randomization to it, as in combat conditions as harsh as Stalingrad, as cold as Stalingrad, one isn't going to be doing it at full speed consistently and there's definitely more to go wrong with a gun than a misfeed.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAUXFmHWxE[/media]
Shows a steady rate of fire without any problem at all, which is already faster than RO2's bolt pull is.
Well they're at a range, not even holding the rifle properly. I'd imagine you'd have a slightly harder time while getting shot at and keeping your aim deadly enough.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;30646894]Well they're at a range, not even holding the rifle properly. I'd imagine you'd have a slightly harder time while getting shot at and keeping your aim deadly enough.[/QUOTE]
No, you can reset your aim just fine. Try it for yourself, especially at the ranges this game will take place at. That's almost irrelevant even, because the bolt pull is fast but you have to manually reset your aim in game, so it's modeled fairly realistically.
A trained british soldier was expected to be able to put 30 fairly accurate shots downrange in a minute, and many were capable of more than that. That includes the time it takes to reload btw. That's 1 shot every 2 seconds as a MINIMUM. Seriously, count it, 2 seconds is damn fast.
The bolt pull on the Mosin and Kar98 were almost as good as the Lee Enfield, so it's really not that much of a stretch to expect similar performance. The only benefit would have been the larger magazine but whatever, that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about the bolt pull and I think it's just fine.
Reloading my dad's Mosin always use to be a bitch, the rounds rim always got caught on some part of the inside. Let alone, if you put a round in too far back in the magazine it jams up.
Blame soviet engineering. :v:
how dare you, the Soviet engineering isn't the problem, it's these pathetic wanna-be soldiers!
My dad's M1903 rifle is difficult to work, but I'm putting that down to me being a wimpy untrained 17 year old.
Can't wait for the 30. Problem is I don't have a computer.
[IMG]http://www.heroesofstalingrad.com/wp-content/gallery/release-date/ro2releasedate_medium.jpg[/IMG]
wtf is with the third german in the back
he's like "Shhh, just accept it and it won't hurt"
gay
[editline]23rd June 2011[/editline]
2 months.
:emo:
Thanks for the replies, I guess then the bolting is pretty realistic,
Also if any of you want to help Tripwire with RO2 (not the closed beta) but actually to implement something in the game go to this thread [url]http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=53463[/url]
Lee Harvey Oswald was able to work the bolt on his Carcano pretty quickly.
Apparently he worked it obsessively for over a year before the assassination.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;30640597]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAUXFmHWxE[/media]
Shows a steady rate of fire without any problem at all, which is already faster than RO2's bolt pull is.[/QUOTE]
That's a Lee-Enfield, it had a spring loaded bolt in order to aid rapid firing, which it was specifically designed for. It's not really applicable in a discussion between Russian rifles and German rifles.
The Lee-Enfield has such an easy bolt I can work it with a pinky on a bad day.
So. does anyone know if this will have direct x 10/11 support?
[editline]24th June 2011[/editline]
I imagine direct x 10 since direct x 11 is only on the 2011 builds of unreal engine 3 and Tripwire is using the october build.
[QUOTE=Nikota;30677575]So. does anyone know if this will have direct x 10/11 support?
[editline]24th June 2011[/editline]
I imagine direct x 10 since direct x 11 is only on the 2011 builds of unreal engine 3 and Tripwire is using the october build.[/QUOTE]
It will definitely have DX10 on release and the devs said that they probably will add DX 11 later on.
Also if anyone outside of North America is wondering about the prices here is a post about the prices form the devs
[quote]Ok, people just don't seem to be getting the message, so:
Valve does not set the prices on Steam - they are entirely up to the publishers of the games. Some chose to convert $1--->£1--->1 EUR. We do not.
So, here is a worked example of Steam pricing for RO2 we MIGHT do for Europe (dependent on exchange rates over the next few weeks):
MSRP in the USA: $39.99
Converts to 27.79 EUR today, or 24.73 GBP
VAT (which has to be included in the price when selling in Europe) is 20% in the UK, a bit variable across the Euro countries around 19-20%.
Including VAT takes those prices to 33.35 EUR and 29.68 GBP
We'd round those (up, most likely), looking at normal price break-points, so that we are close to retail prices. Lets see some current examples:
Duke Nukem Forever - 39.99/34.99 GBP/39.00 EUR (odd...)
CoDBLOPS - 40.57/26.45 GBP/32.50 EUR
CoDMW3 - 40.57 GBP/56.99 EUR
CoDMW2 - 39.99 GBP/39.45 EUR
Actually, those examples really don't help ... lol. So, I could see us doing:
39.99 USD - 34.99 EUR - 29.99 GBP. But I could be quite wrong - we'll also talk to the retail distributors before we set the final price in each territory![/quote]
So expect having it priced correctly, also it's kind of interesting seeing that it's the publishers who make the price when everyone has been complaining that it's steams fault when it's the fault of the publishers being to lazy and wanting more money.
[QUOTE=Linkage;30677037]That's a Lee-Enfield, it had a spring loaded bolt in order to aid rapid firing, which it was specifically designed for. It's not really applicable in a discussion between Russian rifles and German rifles.
The Lee-Enfield has such an easy bolt I can work it with a pinky on a bad day.[/QUOTE]
So that's how they did it? Wow.
And I thought the M1903 was just a low grade rifle. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Mbbird;30640597]I think it's silly to say reloading or the bolt pull is too fast. For one the cycling of a bolt can be extremely fast, Call of Duty makes it look slow TBH, while the same goes for reloading. I do think, though, that there should definitely be a randomization to it, as in combat conditions as harsh as Stalingrad, as cold as Stalingrad, one isn't going to be doing it at full speed consistently and there's definitely more to go wrong with a gun than a misfeed.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAUXFmHWxE[/media]
Shows a steady rate of fire without any problem at all, which is already faster than RO2's bolt pull is.[/QUOTE]
The Lee Enfield spring bolt argument aside, I always have to laugh when somebody goes [I]"oh, look how fast/steady this guy is shooting [B]while he is sitting on a chair at the firing range[/B]"[/I]
It's a moot point, trudging through shit-filled trenches, through forests being peppered by mortar shrapnel, or through the ruins of Stalingrad being sprayed by gunfire, anything that applies to your performance at a shooting range is instantly thrown out the window.
Not really calling for PR's frustrating levels of "hyper-realism" but just keep this point in mind.
[QUOTE=Linkage;30677037]That's a Lee-Enfield, it had a spring loaded bolt in order to aid rapid firing, which it was specifically designed for. It's not really applicable in a discussion between Russian rifles and German rifles.
The Lee-Enfield has such an easy bolt I can work it with a pinky on a bad day.[/QUOTE]
This however I was not aware of. Explains why the Lee-Enfield was the only gun I could find in videos of speed-bolting or whatever the hell it's called.
Could anyone else find a video of a Mosin-Nagant type rifle or Kar-98k?
[editline]24th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;30683344]The Lee Enfield spring bolt argument aside, I always have to laugh when somebody goes [I]"oh, look how fast/steady this guy is shooting [B]while he is sitting on a chair at the firing range[/B]"[/I]
It's a moot point, trudging through shit-filled trenches, through forests being peppered by mortar shrapnel, or through the ruins of Stalingrad being sprayed by gunfire, anything that applies to your performance at a shooting range is instantly thrown out the window.
Not really calling for PR's frustrating levels of "hyper-realism" but just keep this point in mind.[/QUOTE]
I pointed this out already, I'm well aware of this, but I was just trying to show how fast you [I]can[/I] pull the bolt, and even then I didn't realize the Lee-Enfields bolt was easier than most so it's invalid anyway.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;30688030]This however I was not aware of. Explains why the Lee-Enfield was the only gun I could find in videos of speed-bolting or whatever the hell it's called.
Could anyone else find a video of a Mosin-Nagant type rifle or Kar-98k?
[editline]24th June 2011[/editline]
I pointed this out already, I'm well aware of this, but I was just trying to show how fast you [I]can[/I] pull the bolt, and even then I didn't realize the Lee-Enfields bolt was easier than most so it's invalid anyway.[/QUOTE]
There are not any videos of the K98 last time I checked and I doubt the Mosin, but if you look at my post where I posted 2 videos, look at the first one where he reloads, that's the fastest I could find.
[b]Edit:[/b] Here's the video [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXQlFFzwPWQ&feature=related[/url] start at 2:50
Ive fired a K98. Even though it was some Yugoslav rifle or something, that bolt was smooth as fuck. Mauser's have some of the smoothest bolt action.
Hmm, do they let you bolt your gun even if you haven't fired? Not sure Ive seen that in any videos.
That was one of my favorite aspects on RnL mods's gunplay, was that if you only had like one or two rounds left, rather than shoot till you're empty, you could just work the bolt to remove the extra two rounds and then just reload in advance.
I think that these kinds of games dont show that getting a stripper clip into a rifle is a BITCH. Hard as hell. But once you pop that clip in there its smooth sailing.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;30690071]Hmm, do they let you bolt your gun even if you haven't fired? Not sure Ive seen that in any videos.
That was one of my favorite aspects on RnL mods's gunplay, was that if you only had like one or two rounds left, rather than shoot till you're empty, you could just work the bolt to remove the extra two rounds and then just reload in advance.[/QUOTE]
You can only really reload if not empty if its a clip loaded ten round weapon. Such as the G41 and the Enfield.
[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;30690172]I think that these kinds of games dont show that getting a stripper clip into a rifle is a BITCH. Hard as hell. But once you pop that clip in there its smooth sailing.[/QUOTE]
Have you played the original Red Orchestra? because if you did you would see it actually shows him putting effort into putting it in and not easily throwing it in there and it magically going perfectly.
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