[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30816984]About the tank battles, tell me about it, I can most of the times appreciate them and do ok in them and even though I mastered infantry, the long time players still kill me at tank battles. But it all really comes down to if you are working together with someone.
And about the pings, you can always join the TWB servers or the Russian server the netcode in RO is designed so that you don't lag even with over 200 ping, I have had 214 ping before in the Russian server and it was fine, even in the TWB europe server with half that it is smooth.[/QUOTE]
I actually didn't know that. I will have to try something other than danzig next time.
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also do you know if RO2 will have bullet penetration?
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never mind didn't read OP all the way.
Huh some people are really stupid.
On the forum thread on this, some guys come in and start questioning the realism by asking why they've put in experimental weapons and things that probably never saw field action and if so extremly little, and questioning the way the germans wear their clothes such as rolled up arms when it's supposed to be like november, and why a russian officer is having a bayonett on his rifle, and people start calling them nazi fanboys. A developer answered these questions with, I quote; Because it is fun and cool to put rare weapons into a game that no one has played with before.
I'm not too worried myself though since it'll be possible to turn of these unrealistic things and these are screenshots to be released to show off the game, so it probably won't be this extreme ingame.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30821906]Huh some people are really stupid.
On the forum thread on this, some guys come in and start questioning the realism by asking why they've put in experimental weapons and things that probably never saw field action and if so extremly little, and questioning the way the germans wear their clothes such as rolled up arms when it's supposed to be like november, and why a russian officer is having a bayonett on his rifle, and people start calling them nazi fanboys. A developer answered these questions with, I quote; Because it is fun and cool to put rare weapons into a game that no one has played with before.
I'm not too worried myself though since it'll be possible to turn of these unrealistic things and these are screenshots to be released to show off the game, so it probably won't be this extreme ingame.[/QUOTE]
If I am reading this right your making fun of the people that are talking about stupid things or are concerned about those things as well.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30824128]If I am reading this right your making fun of the people that are talking about stupid things or are concerned about those things as well.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying that some guys are trying to discuss in the thread, pointing out ounrealistic things, and people are calling them nazis which is outrageous, offensive and just really stupid. And at the same time while I do agree that the screenshots portray the game as rather unrealistic, I'm not too concerned as I trust the game to come out realistic and simulating, with the option to not allow experimental weapons and such, server-wise.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30824199]No, I'm saying that some guys are trying to discuss in the thread, pointing out ounrealistic things, and people are calling them nazis which is outrageous, offensive and just really stupid. And at the same time while I do agree that the screenshots portray the game as rather unrealistic, I'm not too concerned as I trust the game to come out realistic and simulating, with the option to not allow experimental weapons and such, server-wise.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing about that whole Nazi thing is that the Dev was never calling anyone a Nazi, someone asked something and mentioned Nazi Fanboys and the Dev answered him and joked back, then people started complaining about him calling them Nazis when he never was.
Also are there any other pictures that people are portraying are not realistic, because the only one I see them complaining about it is the German Hero one.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30824199]No, I'm saying that some guys are trying to discuss in the thread, pointing out ounrealistic things, and people are calling them nazis which is outrageous, offensive and just really stupid. And at the same time while I do agree that the screenshots portray the game as rather unrealistic, I'm not too concerned as I trust the game to come out realistic and simulating, with the option to not allow experimental weapons and such, server-wise.[/QUOTE]
Most likely scenario is weapons will be limited to only a few players, much like they are now.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30824250]The funny thing about that whole Nazi thing is that the Dev was never calling anyone a Nazi, someone asked something and mentioned Nazi Fanboys and the Dev answered him and joked back, then people started complaining about him calling them Nazis when he never was.
Also are there any other pictures that people are portraying are not realistic, because the only one I see them complaining about it is the German Hero one.[/QUOTE]
Somebody called a guy a nazi fanboy, the Dev quoted the wrong person and confused everybody. Nobody complained about him calling anyone a nazi though.
Well, the way the germans are wearing the IDs outside their uniforms wasn't allowed and never happened. And also how the soldiers in a few pictures have their sleeves rolled up, it's russia and it's winter, that's insane.
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[QUOTE=FlakAttack;30824255]Most likely scenario is weapons will be limited to only a few players, much like they are now.[/QUOTE]
Yes that has been confirmed the case.
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Oh and a funny thing, in the picture in the house where the two germans are, one of them has two bloody shot holes in his pants and is still standing up.
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I know I'm being very picky here, I'm just saying.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30815034]There is nothing final about the pricing of mods and I think the only one they might sell is Rising Storm, but I wouldn't be surprised if they took say In Country: Vietnam and sold it before it's release if it's good.
My estimation about the price, since it's Tripwire and they priced their game as $40 (which is still amazing) then I would guess an expansion would go from $15-$20, and maybe at the absolute lowest $10 and at the absolute highest $25. I doubt they would sell an expansion only $10 less then their game or sell it for dirt cheap, so $15-$20 is your best bet.[/QUOTE]
In the past TW has released lots of free content for their games.
Im guessing an expansion would be 10 bucks. Ive heard some of the devs say that they dont really want to "divide" the community. 10 bucks seems like a good price for a community-made expansion.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30824503]Somebody called a guy a nazi fanboy, the Dev quoted the wrong person and confused everybody. Nobody complained about him calling anyone a nazi though.
Well, the way the germans are wearing the IDs outside their uniforms wasn't allowed and never happened. And also how the soldiers in a few pictures have their sleeves rolled up, it's russia and it's winter, that's insane.
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Yes that has been confirmed the case.
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Oh and a funny thing, in the picture in the house where the two germans are, one of them has two bloody shot holes in his pants and is still standing up.
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I know I'm being very picky here, I'm just saying.[/QUOTE]
If you look at the picture of Pavlovs house, (that huge house without any snow) that is most likely the period where their sleevs were rolled up, I doubt any of them have them rolled up in the winter, that would be insanse, even for tripwire.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30824783]If you look at the picture of Pavlovs house, (that huge house without any snow) that is most likely the period where their sleevs were rolled up, I doubt any of them have them rolled up in the winter, that would be insanse, even for tripwire.[/QUOTE]
Well, the game is set during the battle of Stalingrad, late autumn through the winter. It surely must have been cold even during late august.
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I'm still looking forward to this game alot and I still think it's gonna be great.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/2011-07-01_00002.png[/img]
Second day playing Red Orchestra :rock:
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;30825500][img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/2011-07-01_00002.png[/img]
Second day playing Red Orchestra :rock:[/QUOTE]
Just plain luck, come on, seriously passing me on the list by 9 points impossible!!! *leaves and grumbles about how that was just luck and impossible*
And for any of your realism guys out there, a post by Alan detailing a list of books about Stalingrad, with some personal recommendations/comments.
[quote]I was asked elsewhere about reading material about the battle. Here is a long list, with some personal recommendations/comments:
Bastable, Jonathan, Voices from Stalingrad, David & Charles Books, 2006 - great book to get a "feel" for the experience of the battle. Compulsory reading here in the office.
Baxter, IM, Battle of Stalingrad, Concord, Hong Kong, 2004 - a good read, even if it feels a little dated now.
Beevor, Antony, Stalingrad, Viking, 1998 - it is a very good read, for a good range across the whole battle. I know some people have a few issues with Beevor's style/approach!
Chuikov, Vasili Ivanovich, Сражение века [Battle of the Century], Sovietskaya Rossia, 1975 - one of the "classic" Soviet takes on the battle; most likely heavily edited to bring the correct Soviet view of the battle!
Einsiedel, Heainrich, Graf von, The Onslaught: The German Drive to Stalingrad, WW Norton & Company - superb set of photos.
Ellis, Frank, 10th Rifle Division of Internal Troops NKVD: Profile and Combat Performance at Stalingrad, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 19:3, 2007
Ellis, Frank, Dulag-205: The German Army's Death Camp for Soviet Prisoners at Stalingrad, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 19:1, 2007 - these two are fascinating reads, coming from original archival materials.
Gerlach, Heinrich, The Forsaken Army, Cassell, 2002 - a brutal read, very critical of the German High Command (directly and indirectly) and a harrowing account of the collapse of 6th Army.
Glantz, David M & House, Jonathan M, Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2), University Press of Kansas, 2009
Glantz, David M & House, Jonathan M, To the Gates of Stalingrad: Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1), University Press of Kansas, 2009
Glantz, David M, Combat Documents on The Struggle for Stalingrad City Volume 1: 3 September-18 November 1942, Private publication of David M Glantz, 2007
Glantz, David M, The Struggle for Stalingrad City: Opposing Orders of Battle, Combat Orders and Reports, and Operational Maps Part 1: The Fight for Stalingrad's Suburbs, Center City, and Factory Villages. 3 September-13 October 1942, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 21:1, 146 - 238
Glantz, David M, The Struggle for Stalingrad City: Opposing Orders of Battle, Combat Orders and Reports, and Operational Maps Part 2: The Fight for Stalingrad's Factory District. 14 October-18 November 1942, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 21:2, 377-471
David is still probably the foremost documentary writer on the Eastern Front. His books aren't always easy reading, but worked off original materials they make for an incredible study of the battle.
Grossman, Vasily, Life and Fate, Harper & Row, 1980 - only a small section on Stalingrad, but the book itself is fascinating, if a very long read! It gives a very genuine picture of the day-to-day life under the wartime Soviet regime. How Grossman ever thought the Soviet authorities would allow it to be published is still a mystery to me!
Holl, Adelbert , [Mark, Jason D tr], An Infantryman in Stalingrad from 24 September 1942 to 2 February 1943, Leaping Horseman, 2005 - great personal account from a German survivor.
Hoyt, Edwin P, 199 Days: The Battle for Stalingrad, Robson Books, 1993 - good general read, if a little dated now.
Mark, Jason D, Angriff: The German Attack on Stalingrad in Photos, Leaping Horseman, 2009 - truly great collection of photos from the battle.
Mark, Jason D, Death of the Leaping Horseman: 24.Panzer Division in Stalingrad, 12 August 1942 – 20 November 1942, Leaping Horseman, 2003
Mark, Jason D, Island of Fire: The Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory in Stalingrad, November 1942 – February 1943, Leaping Horseman, 2006
Both hugely researched by Jason, wealth of detail in there.
Pavlov, Jacob Fedotovich, В Сталинграде [In Stalingrad], Stalingrad Regional Publishing House, 1951 - a classic of Soviet writing - you'd never guess that Pavlov was a dedicated Communist! And no, he did NOT go on to become a priest - that turned out to be a different Pavlov.
Popov, P P, Kozlov, A V & Usik, B G, Gebhardt, James F [tr.] Turning Point: Recollections of Russian Participants and Witnesses of the Stalingrad Battle, Leaping Horseman, 2008 - fascinating collection of reminiscences from Soviet participants in the battle.
Robbins, David L, War of the Rats, Bantam 2000 - dated, but still a good read.
Schroter, Heinz, Last Letters from Stalingrad, Signet, 1961 - a great read, even if it did turn out that Schroter made up the letters
Simonov, Konstantin M, Barnes, Joseph [tr.], Days and Nights, Simon & Schuster, 1945 - a great book; in the Russian style, it takes time to get going, but a great novel set in the battle.
Wieder, Joachim & von Einsiedel, Heinrich Graf [Bogler, Helmut trans.], Stalingrad: Memories and Reassessments, Arms & Armour Press, 1993 [Original German version 1962] - this is an odd one, frankly. A mix of personal memories and reassessments of the decisions taken.
Zaitsev, Vassili, Notes of a Russian Sniper, Frontline Books, 2009 - actually, a pretty good read.
The full list (actually, not full, I'm behind on cataloging):
24.Panzer Division 1a, Anlagen 1 zum Kriegstagebuch 2.5.42-22.6.42
24.Panzer Division 1a, Anlagen 3 zum Kriegstagebuch 5.8.42-24.10.42
24.Panzer Division 1a, Anlagen 4 zum Kriegstagebuch 27.10.42-17.11.42
24.Panzer Division 1a, Anlagen 5 zum Kriegstagebuch 18.11.42-12.1.43
24.Panzer Division 1a, Kriegstagebuch Nr.4, Teil 2 18.11.42-12.1.43
Abramov, Col Gen K, Rear Services Support at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Adam, Wilhelm, Катастрофа на Волге [Catastrophe on the Volga], Smolensk, 2001
Aganov, Mar S, Combat Engineers in the Battle for Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Akins, Maj Willard II, The Ghosts of Stalingrad, US Air Force Academy, 2004
Antill, Peter & Dennis, Peter, Stalingrad 1942, Osprey Campaign 184, 2007
Aufsess, Florian Freiherr von und zu, Die Anlagenbander zu den Kriegstagebuchen der 6.Armee, private publishing via Leaping Horseman, 2007
Baird, Jay W, The Myth of Stalingrad, Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 4, No. 3, Urbanism. (Jul., 1969)
Balashov, Col P I, Experience in Defensive Combat by Rifle Divisions at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 8, Aug 1986
Balashov, Col P I, Wartime Operations: The 64th Army in Battle of Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 7, Jul 1982
Balashov, Col PI, Experience in defensive combat by Rifle Divisions at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Moscow, Issue 8 of 1986
Bannikov, Cap 1st Rank B, Volga Flotilla Operations at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Bariatinskiy, Michail, The Battle of Stalingrad: Death to the Fascist Invaders!, Eksmo, 2007
Bariatinskiy, Michail, The Defense of Stalingrad: For us, there is no land beyond the Volga!, Eksmo, 2007
Bastable, Jonathan, Voices from Stalingrad, David & Charles Books, 2006
Baxter, IM, Battle of Stalingrad, Concord, Hong Kong, 2004
Baxter, IM, Road to Destruction: Operation Blue and the Battle of Stalingrad 1942-43, Helion & Co, 2008
Beevor, Antony, Stalingrad, Viking, 1998
Byelinin, Sergei, Battle of Stalingrad: Strategic Defence, Exprint, Moscow, 2004
Carmichael, Thomas N, The Ninety Days, Bernard Geis, 1971
Chuikov, Vasili Ivanovich, Сражение века [Battle of the Century], Sovietskaya Rossia, 1975
Cornish, Nik, Images of War: Stalingrad – Victory on the Volga, Pen & Sword, 2009
Craig, William, Enemy at the Gates: The Battle for Stalingrad, Penguin Books, 1973
Dodge, Norton T & Dalrymple, Dana G, The Stalingrad Tractor Factory in Early Soviet Planning, Soviet Studies, Vol. 18, No. 2. (Oct., 1966)
Doer, Hans, Der Feldzug nach Stalingrad, Voenizdat, 1957
Einsiedel, Heainrich, Graf von, The Onslaught: The German Drive to Stalingrad, WW Norton & Company
Ellis, Frank, 10th Rifle Division of Internal Troops NKVD: Profile and Combat Performance at Stalingrad, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 19:3, 2007
Ellis, Frank, Dulag-205: The German Army's Death Camp for Soviet Prisoners at Stalingrad, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 19:1, 2007
Fall “Blau” 1942, Militaria #218
Fenyo, Mario, The Allied Axis Armies and Stalingrad, Military Affairs, Vol. 29, No. 2. (Summer, 1965)
Fowler, Will, Stalingrad: The Vital 7 Days, Amber Books, 2005
Gerlach, Heinrich, The Forsaken Army, Cassell, 2002
Glantz, David M & House, Jonathan M, Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2), University Press of Kansas, 2009
Glantz, David M & House, Jonathan M, To the Gates of Stalingrad: Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1), University Press of Kansas, 2009
Glantz, David M, Combat Documents on The Struggle for Stalingrad City Volume 1: 3 September-18 November 1942, Private publication of David M Glantz, 2007
Glantz, David M, The Struggle for Stalingrad City: Opposing Orders of Battle, Combat Orders and Reports, and Operational Maps Part 1: The Fight for Stalingrad's Suburbs, Center City, and Factory Villages. 3 September-13 October 1942, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 21:1, 146 - 238
Glantz, David M, The Struggle for Stalingrad City: Opposing Orders of Battle, Combat Orders and Reports, and Operational Maps Part 2: The Fight for Stalingrad's Factory District. 14 October-18 November 1942, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 21:2, 377-471
Grossman, Vasily, Life and Fate, Harper & Row, 1980
Gurkin, Maj Gen V, Battle of Stalingrad: Preparatory Phase Documents, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 8, Aug 1982
Hanley, Brian, The Enduring Relevance of The Battle for Stalingrad, JFQ, 4th Quarter 2006
Holl, Adelbert , [Mark, Jason D tr], An Infantryman in Stalingrad from 24 September 1942 to 2 February 1943, Leaping Horseman, 2005
Hoyt, Edwin P, 199 Days: The Battle for Stalingrad, Robson Books, 1993
HW 1 Series: Records created and inherited by Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), Section 1: Government Code and Cypher School: Signals Intelligence Passed to the Prime Minister, Messages and Correspondence, National Archives, Kew
Details all labeled “Signals intelligence passed to the Prime Minister, messages and correspondence” and Classified “Most Secret”
These are the summaries of the Ultra intercepts and decrypts.
HW 1/1004, 24 Oct 1942
HW 1/1098, 14 Nov 1942
HW 1/1138, 22 Nov 1942
HW 1/1140, 23 Nov 1942
HW 1/817, 8 Aug 1942
HW 1/818, 9 Aug 1942
HW 1/832, 26 Aug 1942
HW 1/837, 26 Aug 1942
HW 1/838, 27 Aug 1942
HW 1/876, 8 Sep 1942
HW 1/885, 10 Sep 1942
HW 1/893, 13 Sep 1942
HW 1/909, 19 Sep 1942
HW 1/911, 21 Sep 1942
HW 1/918, 23 Sep 1942
HW 1/920, 24 Sep 1942
HW 1/964, 13 Oct 1942
HW 1/973, 16 Oct 1942
HW 1/996, 22 Oct 1942
Janowicz, Krzysztof, Duchy Stalingradu, Kagero, 2006
Jukes, Geoffrey, Stalingrad: The Decisive Battle, Ballantine
Kimball, Warren F, Stalingrad: A Chance for Choices, The Journal of Military History, Vol. 60, No. 1. (Jan., 1996)
Kitanovic, Branko, Staljingradska bitka, Alfa, Zagreb, 1975
Kozlov, Army Gen M, Strategy and Operational Art at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Lavrusha, Col Yu, Party-Political Work during the Counteroffensive, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Lisiecki Tomasz, Stalingrad vol. 1, Militaria #201, 2004
Losik, Mar O, Armor and Armored Troops in the Battle for Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Loskutov, Col Yu, Battle of Stalingrad: Combat Operations of the 308th Rifle Division, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Moscow, Issue 8 of 1982
Luther, Col T C, The Strategic Implications Of The Battle Of Stalingrad, US Army War College, 2004
Mark, Jason D, Angriff: The German Attack on Stalingrad in Photos, Leaping Horseman, 2009
Mark, Jason D, Death of the Leaping Horseman: 24.Panzer Division in Stalingrad, 12 August 1942 – 20 November 1942, Leaping Horseman, 2003
Mark, Jason D, Island of Fire: The Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory in Stalingrad, November 1942 – February 1943, Leaping Horseman, 2006
Mazurkevich, Col R, Combined Arms Tactics at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
McNeese, Tim, Stalingrad, Chelsea House, 2003
Moshchanskiy, Ilya, Operation “Kol’tso”: 10 January – 2 February 1943, Military Chronicles, 4-2008, Russia
Mulligan, Timothy P, Escape from Stalingrad: Soviet Nationals with the German Sixth Army, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 20:4, 739 – 748
Nekrasov, Victor & Floyd, D [tr], Front-Line Stalingrad, 1953
On the flanks of Stalingrad, Military Chronicles 2-2002, Russia
On the flanks of Stalingrad, Military Chronicles 3-2002, Russia
Pavlov, Jacob Fedotovich, В Сталинграде [In Stalingrad], Stalingrad Regional Publishing House, 1951
Popov, Col Gen N, Communications Troops at Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Popov, P P, Kozlov, A V & Usik, B G, Gebhardt, James F [tr.] Turning Point: Recollections of Russian Participants and Witnesses of the Stalingrad Battle, Leaping Horseman, 2008
Robbins, David L, War of the Rats, Bantam 2000
Roberts, Geoffrey, Victory at Stalingrad, Longman, 2002
Romanov, Col Gen S, Air Defense of Stalingrad, Voyenno-Istoricheskiy Zhurnal, Issue 11, Nov 1982
Rottman, Gordon & Volstad, Ronald, Stalingrad Inferno: The Infantryman’s War, Concord, 2006
Schroter, Heinz, Stalingrad: The Battle that changed the world, Ballantine, 1958
Schroter, Heinz, Last Letters from Stalingrad, Signet, 1961
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Stalingrad Defence, Military Chronicles 1-2001, Russia
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TsAMO: Combat Directives, Combat Journal, Combat Orders, Combat Reports and Maps of 39 Guards Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Directives, Combat Orders, Combat Reports, Combat Journal and Operational Reports of 45 Guards Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Directives, Combat Reports, Operational Reports and Maps of 138 Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Directives, Combat Reports, Operational Reports and Recon Reports of 156 Fortified Region
TsAMO: Combat Journal and Maps of 13 Guards Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Journal of 23 Tank Corps
TsAMO: Combat Journal, Combat Orders, Combat Reports and Maps of 95 Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Journal, Combat Reports, Operational Reports and Maps of 37 Guards Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Maps of 112 Rifle Division
TsAMO: Combat Orders, Combat Reports and Directives and Maps of 92 Rifle Brigade
TsAMO: Combat Report and Maps of 2 Tank Corps
TsAMO: Combat Reports and Maps of 10th Rifle Brigade
TsAMO: Maps of 193 Rifle Division
TsAMO: Maps of 284 Rifle Division
Walsh, Stephen, Stalingrad 1942-1943: The Infernal Cauldron, Simon & Schuster, 2000
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XI. ArmeeKorps 1a, Kriegstagebuch mit Anlagen 2.12.42-9.1.43
Zaitsev, Vassili, Notes of a Russian Sniper, Frontline Books, 2009
Стралинградская Группа Войск [Stalingrad Group of Forces Part 3] Feb-May 1943
Стралинградский Городской Комитет Обороны В годы Великой Отечественной войны [Stalingrad Defence Committee in the Great Patriotic War: Documents and Materials], Volgograd Official Publishing House, 2003
Царицын Сталинград Волгоград [Tsaritsyn Stalingrad Volgograd], Volgograd Official Publishing House, 2001[/quote]
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30824503]Somebody called a guy a nazi fanboy, the Dev quoted the wrong person and confused everybody. Nobody complained about him calling anyone a nazi though.
Well, the way the germans are wearing the IDs outside their uniforms wasn't allowed and never happened. And also how the soldiers in a few pictures have their sleeves rolled up, it's russia and it's winter, that's insane.
[/QUOTE]
Not sure how long you guys have been on the Tripwire forums, but rolled up sleeves are an inside joke, just like the IS-2 being the greatest tank of world war II. Also, where is this problematic screen shot? Anyone care to post it?
EDIT: Holy shit. Nobody is ever allowed to call Alan out about not researching the battle enough. Ever.
Had a blast playing last night, this game is really fun. I started out proned on the top of a hill behind a bush, sniping Nazis in a field. Then a tank ran me over :frown:
[QUOTE=hurts;30825917]Not sure how long you guys have been on the Tripwire forums, but rolled up sleeves are an inside joke, just like the IS-2 being the greatest tank of world war II. Also, where is this problematic screen shot? Anyone care to post it?
EDIT: Holy shit. Nobody is ever allowed to call Alan out about not researching the battle enough. Ever.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I was going to post that, most likely those shots with rolled up sleeves are from the campaign anyways it might be in multiplayer but it's an inside joke so nothing to be alarmed about, but they are still being correct with them, no winter shots of guys with rolled sleeves :v:
The screeshot that is causing problems is the German Hero shot, this one [url]http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/11/june/stalingrad/3.jpg[/url] there are morons complaining that because he is wearing his mask over his face that RO2 is completely un realistic and they are making it a twitch shooter :downs: also complaining about using the MKB 42 and the MP40 II: [url]http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/albums/Nemecko_1918_1945_02/MP40_01.jpg[/url]
It's kind of pathetic, but other then that, since you mentioned the mighty IS2 I have to post this screenshot of driving it when I was playing with Ninja Duck yesterday on Arad: [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/RedOrchestra_2011-06-30_23-15-51-37.png[/img]
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30825867]Just plain luck, come on, seriously passing me on the list by 9 points impossible!!! *leaves and grumbles about how that was just luck and impossible*
[quote]*books*[/quote][/QUOTE]
I believe it was 10 points that I gained by capturing the last point.
I'll have to look for some of those books, I'm interested. I'll probably just search them on Amazon and maybe check a local bookstore. There's also a bookstore that sells a lot of old books, maybe one of them is in there.
i don't get what's unrealistic about wearing a face mask in super cold weather?
David Glantz's works are very, very good. If you go to a university or college they might have a subscription to the Journal of Slavic Military Studies.
I hate arad for infantry.
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;30824588]In the past TW has released lots of free content for their games.
Im guessing an expansion would be 10 bucks. Ive heard some of the devs say that they dont really want to "divide" the community. 10 bucks seems like a good price for a community-made expansion.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully won't cost anything.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;30826110]Yeah I was going to post that, most likely those shots with rolled up sleeves are from the campaign anyways it might be in multiplayer but it's an inside joke so nothing to be alarmed about, but they are still being correct with them, no winter shots of guys with rolled sleeves :v:
The screeshot that is causing problems is the German Hero shot, this one [url]http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/11/june/stalingrad/3.jpg[/url] there are morons complaining that because he is wearing his mask over his face that RO2 is completely un realistic and they are making it a twitch shooter :downs: also complaining about using the MKB 42 and the MP40 II: [url]http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/albums/Nemecko_1918_1945_02/MP40_01.jpg[/url]
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Lol seriously? I can understand the MkB 42 thing (or I could if we hadn't gone over this a billion times like 7 months ago), but the fucking face mask? Do they really think no one ever improvised something to cover their face in the dead cold of the Russian winter? :downs:
Oh sorry i completely misunderstood you :v:
Well, you guys have me completely certain now that there will be no problems with the realism.
But to be honest, people were blowing up the whole thing by insulting the guys who questioned the realism instead of answering it.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30821906]Huh some people are really stupid.
On the forum thread on this, some guys come in and start questioning the realism by asking why they've put in experimental weapons and things that probably never saw field action and if so extremly little, and questioning the way the germans wear their clothes such as rolled up arms when it's supposed to be like november, and why a russian officer is having a bayonett on his rifle, and people start calling them nazi fanboys. A developer answered these questions with, I quote; Because it is fun and cool to put rare weapons into a game that no one has played with before.
I'm not too worried myself though since it'll be possible to turn of these unrealistic things and these are screenshots to be released to show off the game, so it probably won't be this extreme ingame.[/QUOTE]
The ironic thing is that the complainers probably play CoD, which has more experimental/discontinued weapons than it does normal ones.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;30827881]The ironic thing is that the complainers probably play CoD, which has more experimental/discontinued weapons than it does normal ones.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt it, two of them are in a realism unit for RO.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30827959]I highly doubt it, two of them are in a realism unit for RO.[/QUOTE]
My bad then.
[QUOTE=JerryK;30826363]i don't get what's unrealistic about wearing a face mask in super cold weather?[/QUOTE]
When someone sees a face mask they automatically think Call of Duty.
[img]http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/videogames/detail-page/codmw2.05.lg.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;30827207]So people shouldn't wear something to cover their face if they can?
Not everyone had limited resources in stalingrad, It looks perfectly fine to me, stop being so god damn picky.
"THEY HAVE TO IMPROVISE AND NOT USE WHAT THEY HAVE"[/QUOTE]
How did... what... the fu-
You seem to have misread my post. I was making fun of the people saying it was "incorrect" for the guy to have the mask, and saying that it did infact make sense that he would have made something to keep himself warm. Sooo... what?
Someone in the KF thread would rather have Tripwire brush aside this game altogether just to release one new map and playermodel in KF. :argh:
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;30829299]When someone sees a face mask they automatically think Call of Duty.
[img]http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/videogames/detail-page/codmw2.05.lg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
You appear to be the only one thinking of Call of Duty.
We don't talk about Call of Duty here. :v:
Lets not become the Battlefield fanboys.
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