[QUOTE=Spooter;30657586]What? Yes they should! They're reviewing either the console version or all versions and if the latter is the case they may try, should they have the knowlege, to mention the fact that the PC version doesn't have these issues. But to ignore the terminal unpolishedness of the console versions would be reprehensible.[/QUOTE]
Because every critic does this and then they apply it to all the other versions of the game.
Plus, we PC Gamers have been getting fucked over on crappy ports and no critic makes mention of it but when it's their turn to get fucked then they get all bitchy about it.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;30652299]That's not the point. The point is that Duke as a Character is fucking indestructible and always gets the last laugh. He's not tormented by the things he had to do, he shouldn't even be in the situation where he has to choose between mercy killing and leaving them to their fate.[/QUOTE]Did you even play Duke Nukem 3D? The game was swarming with Pod Babes (even one in E1M1) and they only had one interaction with Duke: a request that you kill them. If you do kill them, Duke mutters a pained "dammit" (one of the only uses of that particular line) as that's literally the only action you can take to save them.
Duke 3D very clearly established the fact that the Cycloid Army was taking women to impregnate them with alien babies. It was a pretty blatant Alien reference. DNF did not introduce the idea, nor did they make it any grimmer than before. Duke 3D was always dark below the surface. It just goes to show you how little people have actually remembered since then.
i played the demo for this all hyped
i am dissapoint
I realized something. I'm not reading reviews anymore. Reviewers really forgot what it meant to have fun or be a gamer when they lambasted this title.
They just need to realize that this game isn't trying to be the next COD, or compete with it in any way.
[QUOTE=Ducluck7;30660379]They just need to realize that this game isn't trying to be the next COD, or compete with it in any way.[/QUOTE]
Well in that case, they should have not implemented the horrendous COD gimmicks into the game, such as regenrating health and the 2 weapon system.
[QUOTE=Ducluck7;30660379]They just need to realize that this game isn't trying to be the next COD, or compete with it in any way.[/QUOTE]
Except for the fact that most of the bad reviews I have read complain that it's trying too hard to be COD, leaving behind the key factors that make both a Duke game and a sequel.
(Of course I don't read a lot of reviews so my point might not be valid)
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;30655360]The other alternative was opening it and immediately ensuring I could never take it back ever
[editline]23rd June 2011[/editline]
Yes.
Thanks for being a part of my social experiment in DNF Thread Posters vs. Starcraft 2 Thread Posters.[/QUOTE]
This simply tells me:
[b]
You're an idiot.[/b]
[editline]23rd June 2011[/editline]
Also, if you didnt like it you could just sell it on ebay, get the money back, and buy another game.
I've played three hours and I love it already.
I had pretty high expectations, too.
I was literally having flashbacks to my recent playthroughs of DN3D.
Can't wait to play more. This'll probably be the fist game that I buy all the DLC for.
[QUOTE=killz2much;30657675]Because every critic does this and then they apply it to all the other versions of the game.
Plus, we PC Gamers have been getting fucked over on crappy ports and no critic makes mention of it but when it's their turn to get fucked then they get all bitchy about it.[/QUOTE]
THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE IT. Just because the PC OCCASIONALLY gets a port as bad as this (the only one I can think of off the top of my head is GTA4, there aren't that many that are as unabashedly unpolished as DNF is on consoles there are just a few concessions made or minor issues) doesn't mean it excuses it being fundamentally technically flawed on consoles. Guess what, when PC Gamer reviews a shittily ported game on PC, THEY REDUCE THE SCORE BECAUSE OF SAID SHITTINESS. No reviewer will ever say "Yeah it's shit on both PS3 and X360, but that's ok because the glorious PC gaming master race got the best version for once." Why? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RETARDED. The only sites to review it on a PC first basis, as in, should you buy it for the PC or not, are PC first sites. They didn't mention the badness of the console versions because it wasn't relevant. Everyone else is reviewing for consoles first, and so it's mainly irrelevant to mention that the PC got the better version since, who cares, we're looking at the console versions. The reviewers aren't right, on consoles this is a 6 at least, and on PC a 7. I'd personally give it an 8 or 8.5, but I'm able to realize that these reviewers made a few valid points about the game in their reviews, despite their presentation and scoring being utter shit.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;30655360]
Yes.
Thanks for being a part of my social experiment in DNF Thread Posters vs. Starcraft 2 Thread Posters.[/QUOTE]
could you be more of a fucking dickhead
[editline]24th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Spooter;30667631]Just because the PC OCCASIONALLY gets a port as bad as this [/QUOTE]
no
no no no no no no
Look, I didn't read the rest of your post because frankly I'm pretty tired right now, but you obviously aren't aware of the sheer volume of bad console ports out there. Open your fucking eyes.
To be honest, Duke doesn't seem to go well with the 360. The Duke Nukem 3D port on the Live Arcade just didn't swing well with me, even though the full game was ported along with the Atomic Edition's extra episode.
Which further invalidates the whole two-weapon simplification, but i'm not getting into that.
Play for the humor, complete, and uninstall it. Kidding.
[QUOTE=Marphy Black;30657812]Did you even play Duke Nukem 3D? The game was swarming with Pod Babes (even one in E1M1) and they only had one interaction with Duke: a request that you kill them. If you do kill them, Duke mutters a pained "dammit" (one of the only uses of that particular line) as that's literally the only action you can take to save them.
Duke 3D very clearly established the fact that the Cycloid Army was taking women to impregnate them with alien babies. It was a pretty blatant Alien reference. DNF did not introduce the idea, nor did they make it any grimmer than before. Duke 3D was always dark below the surface. It just goes to show you how little people have actually remembered since then.[/QUOTE]
As I said on the last page, I played it when I was 10, 10 years ago. There wasn't a hell of a lot of storytelling then anyway. The point I am making though is not that it is happening, but how they did it and how they fucked up the flow of the entire game. As you said, 3D was dark under the surface, Forever shoves it in your face. Let me give a few tips.
[B]Do[/B] show the girls in captivity to let the player know they do have them, have them calling out to Duke to help the game revolve around him some more, have Duke upset by it to reflect the anger he showed when they were taken and how pissed off he is at the aliens and resolve it by either forgetting about them and blowing everything to hell or finding a magic awesome button that saves them all and has a big mob of naked babes running out of the place.
[B]Don't[/B] graphically show them exploding, have them calling out as if they were actually being tortured and not just held captive, have Duke carelessly watch two babes he apparently wanted to save explode and deliver a one liner like a sociopath and certainly don't force players to choose between personally mercy killing them or letting them explode because that's only going to shock players into a very un-Dukelike emotional state.
Dukelike emotional state?
Duke isn't the kind of guy who has feelings for women anymore than something for him to watch strip in front of him. Hence, why there is an EGO bar. He is all about himself, always. To him women are play things. Eventually he would probably ditch the twins for some other chicks.
And the game doesn't force you to do shit. You can kill them first, or you can watch them explode. Or you can just avoid them as best you can and move on.
Duke showed his anger when the twins were first taken. But he knows once the girls are impregnated, they can't be save, just like in Duke 3D. You were allowed to kill them if you wanted, or you could avoid them.
I understand Duke's narcissism, he sees women as objects. When the aliens take his babes, they are stealing from him, he gets mad. To just accept that they are done for though, that'd probably elicit the same reaction.
The game doesn't force you to do shit but it does leave you with a sense of helplessness, you can't save them no matter what you do. Duke always wins and to give players such a dilemma is character breaking. They don't need to include that kind of thing, just keep what they are doing far in the background and bring Duke to the front again.
Avoiding should be the primary, 3D put them off to the side and punished you for getting too involved in them, Forever rewards you for killing them by not spawning more.
Both games made you helpless when it came to Pod Babes. you are trying to put Duke into some form of character that he isn't.
You forget, this game is nothing more then an action movie starring macho man Duke. All he wants to do is Kick Alien Ass and chew bubble gum. The Pod Babes are in the game because they were in Duke 3D. But this time they actually do something.
To Duke, there is no dilemma, he would go on and kill more aliens. After the blood and guts stop dropping, he would sit down, relax, and drink beer at any random titty bar.
The Pod Babes really don't change a thing in the game, it is an idea pulled from the last one, incorporated into a new game.
What I don’t get is why you care so much about it. Duke surely doesn't give a shit. Yes the makers could have done somethings differently with the game, but what they have now does not effect the curret game or the 'character' of Duke.
Removing the pod babes or moving them out of the way so you can hop around, to avoid hurting them would be pointless. In one way to look at it, the Aliens force you to see Babes get tormented in order to enact more revenge on Duke. Which leads him to stuffing pipe bombs down their throats.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;30669210]
no
no no no no no no
Look, I didn't read the rest of your post because frankly I'm pretty tired right now, but you obviously aren't aware of the sheer volume of bad console ports out there. Open your fucking eyes.[/QUOTE]
Give me examples. Ones that aren't just the controls being simplified. Because I know of very few that had the sheer volume of technical issues that DNF on consoles has, as in godawful texture loading, tremendously bad load times, and overall graphical problems shittiness.
[QUOTE=Spooter;30675792]Give me examples. Ones that aren't just the controls being simplified. Because I know of very few that had the sheer volume of technical issues that DNF on consoles has, as in godawful texture loading, tremendously bad load times, and overall graphical problems shittiness.[/QUOTE]
From PC to console or console to PC?
3D made you helpless but you didn't care because they were mostly decorative and only had an impact when you killed them yourself. They don't need to do anything, they can sit in a hallway or off to the side, making it you can either kill them yourself or deal with the enemies they spawn when they eventually die anyway is far from the previous game.
Duke doesn't care, he isn't fuming with rage over what they have done to his babes, he accepts it. If Duke was obviously mad then the player would be mad because that's an appropriate reaction. If Duke doesn't care then the player doesn't know what to do, with that kind of thing they can't not have some kind of reaction so most people are disgusted and feel they are in a horror game. It's poorly handled and messes things up.
So IGN are willing to slam DNF but give MW2/Black Ops high scores.
Ugh sick of IGN now.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;30675995]From PC to console or console to PC?[/QUOTE]
Console to PC. I can't think of many that are as outrageously unpolished as DNF is on consoles.
I'm sorry but the conversation here about Duke's morals had me in stitches.
Seriously, when I read Sgt. Khorn's rebuttal saying "Dukelike emotional state?" I lost it. Seriously, spot on. I don't think in a game like this there's much to know. He's a macho male egotist. The world became a shrine to him after he saved it, over a period of 14 years. That's the world he lives in, deal with it bros.
It was so great 12 years ago when no one cared about mental disorders.
I just finished the SP, am I the only one who thinks the SP is surprisingly short for a game that was in development for more than a decade?
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;30690077]I just finished the SP, am I the only one who thinks the SP is surprisingly short for a game that was in development for more than a decade?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't in development for a straight decade, it was scrapped several times, in fact since you finished the SP go to extras and watch the 2003 and 2006 gameplay videos. They are completely different then what we have now.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;30690077]I just finished the SP, am I the only one who thinks the SP is surprisingly short for a game that was in development for more than a decade?[/QUOTE]
Is it bad if this took me longer to beat than Portal 2?
I finally bothered to actually play the demo. And I can see what people meant about the DoF being fucking annoying. Christ man, it applies to anything you aren't aiming straight at. Though I had fun playing it for the most part, the second level in the demo is quite a bit more boring than wrecking Cycloid shit though.
I spent about 5 minutes throwing shit everywhere :v:
[editline]25th June 2011[/editline]
Anyone still got those things you need to do to let you get the console and crap?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30690704]I finally bothered to actually play the demo. And I can see what people meant about the DoF being fucking annoying. Christ man, it applies to anything you aren't aiming straight at. Though I had fun playing it for the most part, the second level in the demo is quite a bit more boring than wrecking Cycloid shit though.
I spent about 5 minutes throwing shit everywhere :v:
[editline]25th June 2011[/editline]
Anyone still got those things you need to do to let you get the console and crap?[/QUOTE]
Here is the program to enable console and change FOV [url]http://forums.duke4.net/topic/4326-mrdeviance-strikes-again-ive-found-a-very-easy-and-native-way-to-enable-a-simplified-console-in-the-full-game-d/[/url]
Here is the commands to change the LOD to better quality [url]http://forums.duke4.net/topic/4342-mrdeviance-has-fixed-the-bumpmaps-in-the-full-game-oh-nohes-d/[/url]
Also you can just disable Post processing effects to take off the DOF.
That stuff might only work in the full game though and not in the demo, for the demo just put in the launch options -log and it will open when you open the game.
If you want to retain the other Post Processing effects (which I would personally recommend), this command disables only the Depth of Field:
r_dofpow 0
It doesn't save between sessions, however, so you'll have to use it once every time you run the game.
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